Wage Strikes Planned at Fast-Food Outlets

[UWDude]

Whats your point?

Well, since you decided to butt in on the conversation... ...I'll just waste my time re-writing everything for you. You must be a millenial; Self-entitled and lazy, thinking you don't need to do the work of reading, and expect you deserve me to just wait on you hand and foot and re-explain everything i have been writing.

So whats your point?

Pfftt.... ...what a lack of work ethic and self-entitlement. Lazy ass millennial. GET OFF M' LAWN!

P.P.P.S. Having done both, waiting tables is a lot more demanding than burger flipping, and it pays much better. Waiters can make several hundred to several thousand dollars in a night. Cooks make 8-10/hr. At the bar I tend, I've made $700 in a night, cash, more than once. That's my rent, electric, heat/hot water, internet, and phone bill combined. And I live in NYC, remember.

If a waiter makes 700 a night, the cook makes close to that, because waiters cash out cooks and busboys. A cook is just as high stress a job as waiter. During rushes, both get stressed. Tip-bearing jobs are pretty good jobs, because, like I said, people KNOW they are worth more than they are paid.

 

[UWDude]

See that squiggly mark at the end of my sentence, the one with the little dot under it ? <<< Just like this one.

It's a question mark, it means I asked you a question.

There were no "assumptions", simply a question.

Let's play some stupid games, shall we?

 

[tod evans]

Let's play some stupid games, shall we?

Still no answer eh?

 

[UWDude]

Let's do a free-market thought exercise, without any regurgitation, true, what would happen ifs...

Let's say, fast-food workers suddenly congealed into a massive union, and got paid 50% more at any chain restaurant, McDonalds, Wendys, KFC, etc...
First, prices would go up 50%. Now the dollar menu would be the buck-fiddy menu.

Then, mom and pops would start to spring up, and hire people at $10 an hour, undercutting the chains, offering dollar menus.

Fast-food can not be off-shored.

There is a second part to this... ...but I'd like to see the objections to my train of thought on the first.
Watch out jr. economists.... ...you know it's a trap, so you better tell me I'm wrong.

 

[UWDude]

Still no answer eh?

Oh cool. I know you are, but what am I?

 

[Origanalist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KSBosUa_xo

Lol. Making your own food seems a lot safer.

 

[James Madison]

Let's do a free-market though exercise, without any regurgitation, true, what would happen ifs...

Let's say, fast-food workers suddenly congealed into a massive union, and got paid 50% more at any chain restaurant, McDonalds, Wendys, KFC, etc...
First, prices would go up 50%. Now the dollar menu would be the buck-fiddy menu.

Then, mom and pops would start to spring up, and hire people at $10 an hour, undercutting the chains, offering dollar menus.

Fast-food can not be off-shored.

There is a second part to this... ...but I'd like to see the objections to my train of thought on the first.
Watch out jr. economists.... ...you know it's a trap, so you better tell me I'm wrong.

I do think a lot of people of these forums are naive about employee-employer relations. And I feel their solution will always lead to feudalism/sharecropping/slavery of some kind. Unfortunately, government isn't the solution -- they are responsible for inflation, which hurts poor people more than anyone else. They are also responsible for helping ship jobs oversees, as they are for the college debt bubble. There isn't a real solution, I'm afraid.

 

[UWDude]

I do think a lot of people of these forums are naive about employee-employer relations. And I feel their solution will always lead to feudalism/sharecropping/slavery of some kind. Unfortunately, government isn't the solution -- they are responsible for inflation, which hurts poor people more than anyone else. They are also responsible for helping ship jobs oversees, as they are for the college debt bubble. There isn't a real solution, I'm afraid.

Right now, I am trying to get them to come to an economic baseline, based on free market theory, on what would happen. I don't want the next part of the argument to get destroyed by people objecting to the baseline of thought. Maybe I should start a new thread, but like I've said in other threads, forums aren't about actual the free exchange of ideas, they are for rage-aholics. Nobody actually wants to think things through, they just want to rage against the youth and uncover communist plots.

 

[angelatc]

Great stuff. My had neighbors who had a son that dropped out of college to bartend. This was back in the 80's, today the kid owns 4 upscale restaurants.

The CEO of McDonalds stated out flipping burgers.

My friend's daughter started flipping burgers at McDonalds, eventually became a manager. She met her future husband at a management training seminar. They both ended up working for the same franchisee, and the last I heard they were in the process of buying their very own McDonalds.

My heart doesn't bleed for people who do not want to work hard.

 

[angelatc]

Let's do a free-market thought exercise, without any regurgitation, true, what would happen ifs...

Let's say, fast-food workers suddenly congealed into a massive union, and got paid 50% more at any chain restaurant, McDonalds, Wendys, KFC, etc...
First, prices would go up 50%. Now the dollar menu would be the buck-fiddy menu.

Then, mom and pops would start to spring up, and hire people at $10 an hour, undercutting the chains, offering dollar menus.

Fast-food can not be off-shored.

There is a second part to this... ...but I'd like to see the objections to my train of thought on the first.
Watch out jr. economists.... ...you know it's a trap, so you better tell me I'm wrong.

You lost all credibility when you pointed out that union workers are paid far more than what they're worth. Now you're going to insist that food workers should share in that dysfunction, because its even easier to hold consumers hostage.

A better solution would be to quash the minimum wage requirement altogether, making it even easier for Mom & Pop's to open.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I do think a lot of people of these forums are naive about employee-employer relations. And I feel their solution will always lead to feudalism/sharecropping/slavery of some kind. Unfortunately, government isn't the solution -- they are responsible for inflation, which hurts poor people more than anyone else. They are also responsible for helping ship jobs oversees, as they are for the college debt bubble. There isn't a real solution, I'm afraid.

The OP actually provides one example of the government creating a problem.

Now, its very possible that he might be able to get the money he needs if he really needed to. But that's besides the point. The point is that he actually legally has to have a license, that he has to pay for. That's an example of the "in" crowd using the government to keep other people from competing with them. And it happens in so many industries.

 

[James Madison]

The OP actually provides one example of the government creating a problem.

Now, its very possible that he might be able to get the money he needs if he really needed to. But that's besides the point. The point is that he actually legally has to have a license, that he has to pay for. That's an example of the "in" crowd using the government to keep other people from competing with them. And it happens in so many industries.

But OP's argument is also flawed. The notion that employers will pay an what an employee's 'worth' out of the goodness of their hearts is absurd. Slavery is the norm for a reason -- why pay someone more when you can pay them less? That's why I don't have a problem with employees petitioning their employers for higher wages, but they also need to understand that such actions have unintended consequences. The choice is theirs to make.

The bigger problem is that in this country there are too many workers competing for too few jobs. In the past, disease and lack of government handouts meant the population size was self-regulating -- you produce what the environment can support. That, combined with lack of international tariffs and unlimited immigration, has created a surplus of workers.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

P.P.P.S. Having done both, waiting tables is a lot more demanding than burger flipping, and it pays much better. Waiters can make several hundred to several thousand dollars in a night. Cooks make 8-10/hr. At the bar I tend, I've made $700 in a night, cash, more than once. That's my rent, electric, heat/hot water, internet, and phone bill combined. And I live in NYC, remember.

I have done both of those too. The average wage of a waiter/waitress is 20k per year. Top waiters make an average of 30k per year. I also lived in NYC, but did not work at restaurants at that time. New York rents and housing are appreciably higher than most other cities, but food is not appreciably higher.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The OP actually provides one example of the government creating a problem.

Now, its very possible that he might be able to get the money he needs if he really needed to. But that's besides the point. The point is that he actually legally has to have a license, that he has to pay for. That's an example of the "in" crowd using the government to keep other people from competing with them. And it happens in so many industries.

This can't be emphasized enough.

 

[UWDude]

You lost all credibility when you pointed out that union workers are paid far more than what they're worth. Now you're going to insist that food workers should share in that dysfunction, because its even easier to hold consumers hostage.

A better solution would be to quash the minimum wage requirement altogether, making it even easier for Mom & Pop's to open.

I'll wait for an acceptance or refutation of my hypothesis before continuing, not ad hominems directed towards my credibility. I am just looking for a baseline agreement amongst economists of this board.

According to economics, every person will struggle for what is best for them , and coming together as a unit to demand more is older than history as far as we know.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Encouraging your 15 year old to work fast food is like putting them in an urban public school. I'd advise them to work in a decent department store or grocery. Sears and Meijer are like private schools compared to these idiotic Mack-Donalds crapholes.

And for God's sake, you don't let your daughter date a worthless prick, so why would you let them work at Wal Marx.

 

[Lord Xar]

What is the rationale when lefties keep pushing the idea that if min.wage kept up with inflation, it should be around 22/hr. That seems ludicrous.

Is there an assumption that with so much money in workers hands, they'd consume more? Wouldn't everything be higher priced? I mean, has a bigmac kept up with inflation? Cars? Would a person making 50k now expect 100k+ in this scenario....

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

there was a time in history even unskilled laborers could afford to take care of a wife and a kid working full time.

 

[belian78]

Why does no one discuss the dollar value w/ regards to minimum wage. While in high school in the early '80's I worked at Sears at just above minimum. I think I was making 3.50 an hour. I split rent and utilities w/ two other high school buds. I had money to spare. I can tell you I WAS able to make a living and go to school at just above minimum wage.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774473.html

Because that's the true crux of the issue, and why it's going to be avoided at all costs in arguments like this.

 

[oyarde]

Well , how did the strike work out ?