Wage Strikes Planned at Fast-Food Outlets

[tod evans]

What if they can't get extra hours? Two jobs can be quite a juggle, especially in areas as fluid as fast food and retail, where schedules change from week to week. And doubly difficult without a car. Can you imagine relying on public transportation to shuttle you between part time jobs? Also, spending 10000 on a Ford doesn't mean you don't get a lemon. And by that I mean, Fords suck ass.

And I would say, at best, one could save up 7000 in a year at $8.02 an hour, full time. It's possible, yes, but 7000 is a hefty risk zone for a car. Better to just risk 3000. If it goes, at least you only lost 3000, not 7000.

Do you spend as much time working as you do whining?

Society doesn't owe me shit and I wouldn't take it if they offered.

 

[UWDude]

Do you spend as much time working as you do whining?

you people and your assumptions.

If someone is 42 years old and they are struggling, living paycheck to paycheck because they cannot earn enough income - who's fault is that?

lol. Nice try, at assumptions, and trying to find a way to make it personal, but fail in so many ways.

P.S. Can any of you say you got where you are without the help of friends and/or family? Could you be so arrogant? Could you imagine it without them?

P.P.P.S. Your grand daughter is not special. There have always been people that started early, and always will be, regardless of generation. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of other kids today doing the same, in this so-called lazy millennial generation.

P.P.P.S. Waiting tables is the same skill level as flipping burgers as well, and pays about the same. Just in one case the customer feels bad knowing the worker is CLEARLY underpaid, and decides to help by tipping.

Now to answer your question. It depends. It depends on the risks that person took over their life, and whether they succeeded or failed. But when taking risks, there are times where all the hard work and ingenuity in the world will not save you from failure. It depends on unforeseen circumstances, health, and attractiveness of the person. Ugly people make less than beautiful people, it's a fact. (Now you can assume I am ugly, poor, and 42, lol). It depends on the economy, both local and national and international, and it depends on plain old luck sometimes. It is not black and white, and I never assume the person serving me with graying hair made poor choices in life. I know better than to be such an ass.

They are not the same skill level. Not even close. Flipping burgers always has paid less than a factory job whether it is today, 30 or 50 years ago.

Don't even try to tell me that a car factory worker is paid more because they are more rare, and therefore in higher demand. A car factory worker takes the same level of skill and intelligence as a fast food worker. The only difference between the two is one set of labor unionized.

The world is much different than it was 50 years ago. Even high school drop outs could get a job at an auto factory. Those days are well gone.

And you can try to deny it, and instead say the American economy sucks, because young people are lazy, but that's just plain stupid. There is no other way to put it.

Anyways, I am off to work. Don't have time today to argue with the rest of you who live here and talk about everyone else being lazy. I am sure preaching to the choir will get you all the success you desire. LoL I'll see you all tomorrow, I am sure.

 

[tod evans]

you people and your assumptions.

See that squiggly mark at the end of my sentence, the one with the little dot under it ? <<< Just like this one.

It's a question mark, it means I asked you a question.

There were no "assumptions", simply a question.

 

[angelatc]

What if they can't get extra hours? Two jobs can be quite a juggle, especially in areas as fluid as fast food and retail, where schedules change from week to week. And doubly difficult without a car. Can you imagine relying on public transportation to shuttle you between part time jobs? Also, spending 10000 on a Ford doesn't mean you don't get a lemon.

In 2008 or so I bought a 1989 Ford Tempo for $500. Had no trouble with it. The only reason I'm not still driving it is that it was never garaged and the frame rusted.

When my husband was young and poor, one of his bosses gave him his old car. When were young and cool, i gave my BIL my old car. My neighbor "sold" his old car to his secretary for $100, only to save her the tax consequences of paying the full value.

When you try to help yourself upward, other people are happy to reach back and give you a hand up. Not because they have to, but because they want to.

 

[angelatc]

Don't even try to ttell me that a car factory worker is paid more because they are more rare, and therefore in higher demand. A car factory worker takes the same level of skill and intelligence as a fast food worker. The only difference between the two is one set of labor unionized.

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So, cars are too expensive for lower income people to afford because the people that make them make more money than a free market would demand.

Therefore the unions are responsible for the fact that poor people can't afford cars.

We would prefer to see cheaper cars. You would prefer to see wages rise, which (as the car scenario indicates) means that the prices of everything else would rise, beyond affordability.

And that's helping poor people how?

 

[phill4paul]

Why does no one discuss the dollar value w/ regards to minimum wage. While in high school in the early '80's I worked at Sears at just above minimum. I think I was making 3.50 an hour. I split rent and utilities w/ two other high school buds. I had money to spare. I can tell you I WAS able to make a living and go to school at just above minimum wage.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774473.html

 

[pcosmar]

The Fast Food Chains should run a special deal on the days that these strikes happen..

$ 19.95 Burgers and $5 fries.

 

[DamianTV]

If these folks make so little, YOU still get to pay for it because they will probably end up on Govt handouts. I dont have to pay for it cuz I just flat out dont have a job. Aw shit. Inflation. Well, guess they got me too.

 

[tod evans]

When you try to help yourself upward, other people are happy to reach back and give you a hand up. Not because they have to, but because they want to.

^^^^^^^^This! ^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[tod evans]

The fast food Chains should run a special deal on the days that these strikes happen..

$ 19.95 Burgers and $5 fries.

If memory serves a Big-Mac is about 1/2 the cost of a minimum wage employee so just price on percentage..

For decades it's held that a tradesman can hire on in any given town for 10X the price of a Big-Mac and cover his bills, any less and he's cutting his own throat.

 

[angelatc]

Why does no one discuss the dollar value w/ regards to minimum wage. While in high school in the early '80's I worked at Sears at just above minimum. I think I was making 3.50 an hour. I split rent and utilities w/ two other high school buds. I had money to spare. I can tell you I WAS able to make a living and go to school at just above minimum wage.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774473.html

Wow you had to pay your own rent in high school? Wow - that's horrible. I mean, you seem to have come out of it ok, but still!

My son has an apartment now with another guy. He makes minimum wage, max 36 hours a week He is making it. It's tight, but he's 18. He has no skills, but no debt either.

 

[phill4paul]

Wow you had to pay your own rent in high school? Wow - that's horrible. I mean, you seem to have come out of it ok, but still!

My son has an apartment now with another guy. He makes minimum wage, max 36 hours a week He is making it. It's tight, but he's 18. He has no skills, but no debt either.

My dad liked kicking the birds out early. I probably have PTSD or something like that though. Maybe Obamacare will allow me to see a head shrink for some plush toy hitting therapy?

 

[oyarde]

Wow you had to pay your own rent in high school? Wow - that's horrible. I mean, you seem to have come out of it ok, but still!

My son has an apartment now with another guy. He makes minimum wage, max 36 hours a week He is making it. It's tight, but he's 18. He has no skills, but no debt either.

That was kind of the cool thing about being 18 - 20 . You really do not have much money , but you learn to have fun without it . You have no debt , just rent , utilities.Nobody would even lend you money , so , debt not an issue .Paying as you go , having fun on the cheap are valuable lessons .

 

[tod evans]

My dad liked kicking the birds out early. I probably have PTSD or something like that though. Maybe Obamacare will allow me to see a head shrink for some plush toy hitting therapy?

Betcha could get handfulls of stupid pills...

 

[phill4paul]

Betcha could get handfulls of stupid pills...

Hey, now you are onto something. From what I understand those have a pretty good resale value on the street. Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. I.Will. Comply. I. Will. Comply.

 

[jonhowe]

No, you missed the point. financial disaster to a rich man is having to live a bit less comfortably. To a poor man, it is potentially begging on the streets, and never being able to bounce back. That is the difference. It is not the same at all.



You talk in the language of economics, but the logic is still fail. Just because you say the risk is greater than the reward, and use part of an economic law, does not mean the situation applies to the law. The risk is not greater than the reward. The risk is only having to cover a roomie for 2 or 3 months, max, until you find a new, one, while the rewards is paying perhaps as low as 1/3rd the rent you would have every month.



At min wage in Seattle, I assure you, you did not find a place for less than half of what a full time min-wage employee would make after taxes. Half your pay for housing is not inexpensive. It may be inexpensive to you.

Relocation? With what money? And once again, it is easier to relocate if there is family elsewhere... ...what if there is no family? What if your family is dead? What if you were a foster child? What if your parents raped you when you were 14 and you had to run away? I've met these people, and talked to them at length about their lives. I know you think everybody should be able to rise above such things... ...and for that, I wish it had happened to you. You would be singing a different tune. Perhaps in the next life you'll get to start out ugly, or hated, or raped, or beaten by an alcoholic, when you are young. Yeah, some people do rise above it all, but who are you to judge those who do not? Do not give me "everybody endures hardships in life"... ...because that is simply false. Some of the people here make me so sick with their assumptions about life and expectations of people to just rise up and beat the world with all the cards stacked against them. I thought my youth was pretty bad, until I met people who had truly fucked up lives and no chances and no lucky breaks. Then I realized I had it good. I, like most of you arrogant posters, wouldn't even be where I am today if it wasn't for family and people around me who cared, and could help me when I was down, and just knowing they were there just in case I did fall. Not everybody has that, and it is not exactly horrible to be poor... ...but it is horrible to be disrespected, and looked down upon, and blamed for situations people have no control over.

I mean, what is with the cold-heartedness? Do you think that makes you appear more logical? Do you think theoretical systems are good because they are systems? Do you not understand that all systems are human devices, and therefore flawed and "corrupt"? I see so many people proud of being cold-hearted, and taking it to lengths, just so they can claim that it is part of some "reality". The only reality is what we make. It doesn't mean you have to feed the homeless, but if you want to solve problems, maybe you should at least try to understand them first, before passing your judgements. I know it makes you feel good to think you are successful, therefore you are smart, and the poor are dumb, but it really isn't true, and it isn't flattering, either.

It is sick to watch the privileged pat themselves on the back, and assure themselves they are simply better people than the working poor, when they are nothing more than more privileged people.



Economy. Thirty years ago they would be working in a high paying factory job. Those jobs don't exist anymore. A ton of people retiring from the workforce today will never be able to get back in, because previous generations are nothing like the current one when it comes to important work skills in the computer age. A high school degree was enough to get a job one could raise a family on. Try that in today's world. I know, there is still plumber, electrician, etc, those have always been around, what isn't around anymore is factory jobs for all of the rest of the high school only graduates. It has nothing to do with work ethic. Old people calling young people lazy is as old as the hills. Young people are always harder workers. They are young, fresh, physically stronger and heartier, and hornier and hungrier for money. It has always been that way, and there has always been an older generation trying to keep them down and take their labor from them on the cheap. Obamacare is just the newest layer of that.



I love how you people always bring up engineering. Yeah, its a great degree, and useful, and useful to humanity... ...it is also an incredibly difficult one to get. Your average person can not get one, no matter how driven they are. There are also people with MBA's, who learn nothing but how to be good parasites, skimming as much possible with as little effort as possible. And there is a whole spectrum in between. Look at the enormous bureaucracy, and tell me it isn't true.



Why not? Flipping burgers, making cars in a factory. It's all the same skill level. Burger flippers could get more, they just need to figure out how to take from the shareholders. There is surely a way, and if the shareholders "have to" pay what the burger flippers demand or go out of business, then that is the fair value of their labor. If the shareholders would rather go out of business, so be it. Go out of business... ..another burger joint will open. It will not be the end of the world. People will still want burgers.

High paying Jobs have left the country, so your solution is to make all jobs high paying?

You understand it doesn't work that way, right?

 

[jonhowe]

you people and your assumptions.



lol. Nice try, at assumptions, and trying to find a way to make it personal, but fail in so many ways.

P.S. Can any of you say you got where you are without the help of friends and/or family? Could you be so arrogant? Could you imagine it without them?

P.P.P.S. Your grand daughter is not special. There have always been people that started early, and always will be, regardless of generation. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of other kids today doing the same, in this so-called lazy millennial generation.

P.P.P.S. Waiting tables is the same skill level as flipping burgers as well, and pays about the same. Just in one case the customer feels bad knowing the worker is CLEARLY underpaid, and decides to help by tipping.

P.S. "You didn't build that". Whats your point? If you don't have social support, find some. Make some friends. It is not my responsibility to support the planet. (That being said, I do give some of my tips to The DOE Fund every week. Great charity in NYC giving the homeless and excons jobs cleaning up parts of the city)

P.P.P.S. You are right. There have always been people who think ahead, and those who don't. Go figure. She's almost certainly going to have a better shot a college employment than most of her peers. So whats your point?

P.P.P.S. Having done both, waiting tables is a lot more demanding than burger flipping, and it pays much better. Waiters can make several hundred to several thousand dollars in a night. Cooks make 8-10/hr. At the bar I tend, I've made $700 in a night, cash, more than once. That's my rent, electric, heat/hot water, internet, and phone bill combined. And I live in NYC, remember.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

P.P.P.S. Having done both, waiting tables is a lot more demanding than burger flipping, and it pays much better. Waiters can make several hundred to several thousand dollars in a night. Cooks make 8-10/hr. At the bar I tend, I've made $700 in a night, cash, more than once. That's my rent, electric, heat/hot water, internet, and phone bill combined. And I live in NYC, remember.

Great stuff. My had neighbors who had a son that dropped out of college to bartend. This was back in the 80's, today the kid owns 4 upscale restaurants.

Truth is, these fast food workers are fucking delusional if they think they are worth more money than they are being paid. Never, ever were jobs like these supposed to be full time jobs to support oneself or a family. Yes, I know all the factory jobs are no longer around, but they have not been replaced with fast food jobs, they have been replaced with cubicle jobs in office complexes. Yes, you used to be able to get a decent job with a HS diploma, now it takes a BA Degree at minimum - so what? Despite all the whining, hand wringing and excuse making from UVDude and people like him out there in the real world, there are still plenty of people out there who are doing well and becoming wealthy - even in the Obama economy. All it takes is hard work, diligence, perseverance and some ingenuity - the same things it took when I was first starting out and the same things it took 100 and 200 years ago.

Example, and this is my last one: I have a nephew who is in his early 30's. He grew tired of just getting by, sat down with me for some advice. He was a laborer, worked for the parks department. Made a decent buck, but nothing to write home about. He was getting married and didn't want to have a future where he was busting his ass digging holes all day. He had little cash saved up. He started in vending. Bought some gumball machines and placed them in pizza shops. Took the money that he made from those, along with some OT money he would earn and bought more. It kept snowballing, nothing monumental mind you, but he kept profiting and kept buying more machines. Last I talked with him, he's got about 50 machines out there making money for him. Now, its not a ton of money, probably about $800/mo. But it doesn't take him a ton of time to collect the money and service the machines. It's a very profitable side business and has potential to grow exponentially. So here's a kid who took a couple hundred bucks, bought some machines and has created for himself an income stream. Not too shabby at all. Beats the hell out of flipping burgers and whining about what the boss pays you.

 

[green73]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KSBosUa_xo

 

[UWDude]

Great stuff. My had neighbors who had a son that dropped out of college to bartend. This was back in the 80's, today the kid owns 4 upscale restaurants.

Truth is, these fast food workers are fucking delusional if they think they are worth more money than they are being paid. Never, ever were jobs like these supposed to be full time jobs to support oneself or a family. Yes, I know all the factory jobs are no longer around, but they have not been replaced with fast food jobs, they have been replaced with cubicle jobs in office complexes. Yes, you used to be able to get a decent job with a HS diploma, now it takes a BA Degree at minimum - so what? Despite all the whining, hand wringing and excuse making from UVDude and people like him out there in the real world, there are still plenty of people out there who are doing well and becoming wealthy - even in the Obama economy. All it takes is hard work, diligence, perseverance and some ingenuity - the same things it took when I was first starting out and the same things it took 100 and 200 years ago.

Example, and this is my last one: I have a nephew who is in his early 30's. He grew tired of just getting by, sat down with me for some advice. He was a laborer, worked for the parks department. Made a decent buck, but nothing to write home about. He was getting married and didn't want to have a future where he was busting his ass digging holes all day. He had little cash saved up. He started in vending. Bought some gumball machines and placed them in pizza shops. Took the money that he made from those, along with some OT money he would earn and bought more. It kept snowballing, nothing monumental mind you, but he kept profiting and kept buying more machines. Last I talked with him, he's got about 50 machines out there making money for him. Now, its not a ton of money, probably about $800/mo. But it doesn't take him a ton of time to collect the money and service the machines. It's a very profitable side business and has potential to grow exponentially. So here's a kid who took a couple hundred bucks, bought some machines and has created for himself an income stream. Not too shabby at all. Beats the hell out of flipping burgers and whining about what the boss pays you.

I could find a million more anecdotes about the millennial generation not being a bunch of lazy worthless, self-entitled, work ethic impoverished whiners. And every time you write another anecdote about a millennial being a hard worker, it disproves your old man ranting about millennials. So please, more anecdotes, I like seeing you contradict yourself.