Voting for Obama (hear me out)

[Zolah]

Voting for baldwin or barr will have the same effect, but still be a nod to principle, and also have the potential to bolster the viability of said third parties. Why not give them a shot instead?

That's how I feel too, I think Obama will win regardless so there's no point in lowering yourself to vote for him to prove any point, there are at least principled people to vote for in Barr and Baldwin.

 

[PRON HAUL 2008]

That's how I feel too, I think Obama will win regardless so there's no point in lowering yourself to vote for him to prove any point, there are at least principled people to vote for in Barr and Baldwin.

Surely you jest.

Bob Barr, principled? I don't know how he managed to swindle the Libertarian Party nomination but that guy will change his ideals whenever it is expedient to do so.

 

[Orgoonian]

Surely you jest.

Bob Barr, principled? I don't know how he managed to swindle the Libertarian Party nomination but that guy will change his ideals whenever it is expedient to do so.

Barr is twice the candidate McObama is even with his bad past voting record.
It makes no sense to not vote third party.

 

[Zolah]

Surely you jest.

Bob Barr, principled? I don't know how he managed to swindle the Libertarian Party nomination but that guy will change his ideals whenever it is expedient to do so.

Well you can say you voted for the LP in 08 for all it matters, I'll feel similar to 08 Obama voters as I do to 04 Bush voters I'm sure.

 

[Razmear]

I don't just want McCain to loose, I want him to loose worse than Mondale/Ferraro. I don't want McCain to get a single electoral college vote. I want the GOP to see that they have royally fucked up and that in 2010 they better start looking at Ron Paul Republicans if they ever want to restore the party.

To me the choice between McCain and Obama comes down to 4 more years of endless war or 4 years of someone trying to set up a socialist government.
It will take Obama more than 2 years to do what he plans. It will take McCain about a day to blow up the next country on his list.

McCain must loose, and loose big so I will do my part to make sure he does not take the state of South Carolina, and if that mean voting for the lesser of 2 evils instead of Baldwin, then that's what I'll be doing.

btw, the last 3 elections I voted Badnarik, Browne, Browne, but this time we must ensure that McCain not only looses but suffers an embarrassing defeat.

eb

 

[DAFTEK]

If it comes down to the wire, I'd vote Obama. But if he's going to win, I'd vote Baldwin.

Obama=McCain thats like saying ummm i would vote for McCain but....

 

[DAFTEK]

I too am voting for Obama. After 8 years of Bush, the only way Obama can take this country is up.

I don't feel like giving Bush another four years and I most certainly don't feel like pissing away my vote on a third party candidate and watching Bush get elected again.

You cant be serious? then again 4 posts pro Obama, please get the fuck of our forum!!!

When i told ya people we have so many pro Hussein NoBama on RPF you thought i was nuts for even considering Palin as a good sign, well I'm voting McCain, there you like that? Idiots.....

A vote for Hustein is a vote for McPain!!!! It's all the same, write in, third party or stay home and get drunk!

 

[eric_cartman]

when people ask me who I would vote for (I'm Canadian, so i can't vote, but us Canadians still talk about US politics, probably more so than we talk about Canadian politics)... i always answer either, Barr, Baldwin, or write in Ron Paul.

So then they say, "if you had to choose between Obama and McCain"

then i answer: I would vote for Obama because no matter who is in office, the economic collapse will happen anyways, and that is really all that's going to matter. And if McCain is elected, all these damn left wing socialists (pretty much everyone in Canada), will blame the economic collapse on the Republicans and whine about "if only Obama won, we could have stopped this". So i want Obama to get elected, so that when the collapse really accelerates, they'll see that Obama wasn't some savior and that he's no different from the rest of the political machine that everyone thinks they're fighting against. Also, the policies that Obama will institute to try to prevent the economic collapse will only make the situation worse, and therefore we're likely to hit rock bottom much sooner with Obama's policies, so that by 2012, we can elect a Ron Paul candidate and set the country back in the right direction for the rebuild.

If Canadians were given the choice about who they would vote for (i'm sure this goes for Europe and most of the rest of the world as well)... it would be a landslide for Obama. Ron Paul is right that our school system is brainwashing us to love socialism and world government... and it's sad how few people understand what Ron Paul is talking about. But i was actually pleasantly surprised to see how many Americans supported ron paul. Before, i always thought, well... those Americans are going to get what they deserve. They're too stupid to ever figure out what's going on... but now that i see that there are millions of Ron Paul Americans who haven't been put to sleep and are willing to fight for their country, that made me a lot less cynical. I didn't think the United States had a chance, i thought they were going down for the count... but with this Ron Paul revolution, there's a chance to save your country and restore it to its former glory.

 

[Carole]

I freaking hate Obama, i seriously consider him potential anti-christ material.

However, in case anyone here has been under a rock the last year or so........the republican party has done nothing but take a big steamy shit on the Ron Paul people every single time it had the chance.

Now that the "votes are counted" and the republican party has railroaded McCain as the nominee......and we even got to see the continuing outright hostility to the Ron Paul people by the RNC by stealing all our Nevada delegates, literally not even counting Ron Paul's votes out loud, and of course the issue with Ron Paul not being at the convention.

So after ALL THAT, at every single opportunity they had to twist the knife deeper in our backs, they did so....... I simply cannot understand how someone would still cast their vote for McCain.

The Democratic party has not wronged me so much as 1/1000th of the times the republican party has wronged me.

While i wish i could give the election to Bob Barr, my vote will not do that, nor even come close. It will remain some anonymous minority independant vote for an also-ran that I don't 100% support anyway.

On the other hand, my vote can be CRUCIAL to denying the republican party that has so thoroughly wronged me over the last year (not to mention last 8 years) the presidency.

So for the first time in my life, I'll be casting my vote for president with PASSION that most folks will never understand or comprehend.... I seriously hope that other Ron Paul supporters do the same. McCain has outright said he does not want our votes.........I say we make him regret that.

Disclaimer: Be aware that voting for Obama means we'll be losing most of our bill of rights, raising taxes, dramatically increasing spending, and pretty much everything else Ron Paul is against. However, after seeing this election close up, America is lost anyway.

Personally, I'm ready to get started on the real revolution whenever that kicks off.

I can see a person voting for Dems over Repubs which is really two votes. (Or vice-versa for your own specific reasons). One vote McInSane does not get and one vote that Oblahma does get. So anytime one votes for or against the two main parties, it really is TWO votes.

However, it does not get across the accurate message that we are unhappy with both our choices; it gives the winning party a pseudo-mandate or at least a false impression that they have the people united behind them.

On the other hand, voting for a third party takes one vote from each party and sends the message to both Dems and Repubs that we are not happy, but hurts nor helps neither of the main parties as much as the first choice, but sends the message to both Dems and Repubs that they do NOT have our support.

So I am just saying, think it over, do the math, and consider which route's outcome means the most to you.

It is true that the Repubs need a strong lesson, but it is also true that Dems should not be misled into more of their fantasies that they have more true support than they actually do. That is a dangerous thing I think.

I want both parties to suffer for their policies. In addition to your vote, I highly recommend that every vote cast to send a message, be accompanied by a letter to one or both parties explaining exactly that and why they did not get your vote. It would say so much more than manipulated poll results do.

Just some thoughts. I am very angry, too, but these are some of the considerations I have.

 

[Razmear]

Cartman,
Who knows, by 2012 Canadians and Mexicans might have equal voting rights with Americans in electing the NAU President.

eb

 

[Carole]

when people ask me who I would vote for (I'm Canadian, so i can't vote, but us Canadians still talk about US politics, probably more so than we talk about Canadian politics)... i always answer either, Barr, Baldwin, or write in Ron Paul.

So then they say, "if you had to choose between Obama and McCain"

then i answer: I would vote for Obama because no matter who is in office, the economic collapse will happen anyways, and that is really all that's going to matter. And if McCain is elected, all these damn left wing socialists (pretty much everyone in Canada), will blame the economic collapse on the Republicans and whine about "if only Obama won, we could have stopped this". So i want Obama to get elected, so that when the collapse really accelerates, they'll see that Obama wasn't some savior and that he's no different from the rest of the political machine that everyone thinks they're fighting against. Also, the policies that Obama will institute to try to prevent the economic collapse will only make the situation worse, and therefore we're likely to hit rock bottom much sooner with Obama's policies, so that by 2012, we can elect a Ron Paul candidate and set the country back in the right direction for the rebuild.

If Canadians were given the choice about who they would vote for (i'm sure this goes for Europe and most of the rest of the world as well)... it would be a landslide for Obama. Ron Paul is right that our school system is brainwashing us to love socialism and world government... and it's sad how few people understand what Ron Paul is talking about. But i was actually pleasantly surprised to see how many Americans supported ron paul. Before, i always thought, well... those Americans are going to get what they deserve. They're too stupid to ever figure out what's going on... but now that i see that there are millions of Ron Paul Americans who haven't been put to sleep and are willing to fight for their country, that made me a lot less cynical. I didn't think the United States had a chance, i thought they were going down for the count... but with this Ron Paul revolution, there's a chance to save your country and restore it to its former glory.

Some excellent points.

Frankly, I want both Dems and Repubs to share the blame for the collapse as they both deserve to do. It is true Obama will likely bring collapse faster. It is also true for me, that I cannot afford directly all the higher taxes I will have on my limited income. At least with just higher costs and inflation, I have a small choice in simply not spending any money I must not spend. With Obama, I will have higher costs, inflation, AND higher taxes which would destroy me faster.

So it IS a difficult choice between these two, but I probably will go third party or write in RP and send my letters to both parties as to why they did not get my vote, NOT that they give a damn. The only votes that matter are the few that do not cancel one another out and that are controlled by the PTB.

Therefore, I think I prefer the third party or write-in for those reasons in addition to my philosophy which is so similar to that of Dr. Paul.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

Voting for Barr is also voting against McCain.. So what if he can't win, hes the best candidate.

 

[Carole]

Excellent point!

 

[Carole]

So true and they are more likely to be Democrat socialists! I say that because the Mexicans come here and get immediate benefits and I think Canada is already a socialist nation. Please correct me kindly if I am wrong.

 

[qh4dotcom]

I want McCain and the RNC to know that I (and other Ron Paul supporters) put the nail in the coffin BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO US.

I read someone else's suggestion and I'm seriously going to do it..........

"OBAMA 08 - BECAUSE AMERICA HAS BECOME AN OBAMANATION".

You could have a valid argument IF and that's a very big IF your vote would decide the election...but your vote is not going to be a tiebreaker vote that hands the election to Obama...all that you're doing is helping increase Obama's election day totals by one vote.

Look I know that 3rd parties don't have a chance but they need our votes regardless...I am donating my vote to the charity of freedom...if the Libertarian or Constitution party get 2% of the popular vote it will grant them automatic ballot access for the next election in several states and save them $250,000. Why wouldn't I help the charity of freedom?

 

[DAFTEK]

You could have a valid argument IF and that's a very big IF your vote would decide the election...but your vote is not going to be a tiebreaker vote that hands the election to Obama...all that you're doing is helping increase Obama's election day totals by one vote.

Look I know that 3rd parties don't have a chance but they need our votes regardless...I am donating my vote to the charity of freedom...if the Libertarian or Constitution party get 2% of the popular vote it will grant them automatic ballot access for the next election in several states and save them $250,000. Why wouldn't I help the charity of freedom?

+2008 CAN WE GET THIS AS A STICKY? Great post!

 

[JAlli41]

I really have begun to turn around on this issue and while I am voting for Barr, I've started to quietly hope that Obama actually does win. The one thing that I know absolutely does not work in tax and spend central planning, so while the dems have control of congress and the white house the republicans can start to look for new leadership. But the greater point is that if anything is going to happen in 2012 we've got a hell of a lot of work to do educating people and working to make small changes in local and state governments which will hopefully lead the groundworks of a fill in the blank liberty candidate in 2012 (I would love to work for a Gov. Gary Johnson campaign in 2011, Ventura turns me off a bit because he seems to have an egotistical streak in him). We've gotta win hearts and minds on meat and potato liberty issues like the UN and foreign intervention in general, taxes, personal responsibility and the war on drugs, especially if we're gearing up for a Johnson run. Someone else mentioned this, but if this movement is ever to get huge and electable it will be in the form of a Pat Buchanan-like conservatism because as more people get a hold of the message it will tend to get more moderate. I guess my point is it only delays the process to have 4 years of McCain, because then you may have to talk about having 8 years of McCain, or 4 years of McCain and 4-8 years of a Sarah Palin, and who knows where her head will be in 4 years.

 

[fedup100]

Voting third party will do nothing but take away a possible 30% of the total votes for either one of the McSame's, leaving the outcome a toss up for one or the other. I for one do not want that sack of crap McCain to be president. I will vote O and hold my nose. This is war now and we have to make logistic decisions.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Obama vote

bump

 

[DAFTEK]

lol Where's that RP member with the Hussein clan in his signature? He needs to update that signature, ha,ha!