Voting for Obama (hear me out)

well if we vote for Obama, It will not send a signal to the GOP that they could have had our vote for the GOP if they had not screwed with the nomination and cinched it up when we were still deciding. I can't stand MCAIN, but if we vote Obama, I do agree that it will not send any messages like happed with the Perot campaign.
 
You could have a valid argument IF and that's a very big IF your vote would decide the election...but your vote is not going to be a tiebreaker vote that hands the election to Obama...all that you're doing is helping increase Obama's election day totals by one vote.

Look I know that 3rd parties don't have a chance but they need our votes regardless...I am donating my vote to the charity of freedom...if the Libertarian or Constitution party get 2% of the popular vote it will grant them automatic ballot access for the next election in several states and save them $250,000. Why wouldn't I help the charity of freedom?

^ This.


Ron Paul said he will most likely vote 3rd party and so will I. Let the sheep fight it out over McBama. I will know that my vote helped level the playing field a little bit for the next time.
 
While i would enjoy watching mccain lose... voting is useless now.

NWO has already won this election, dont even worry about who you vote for... start working at the 2010 elections
 
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I know most of you have family who are pro Obama or McCain so here is an email got from one of my friends :rolleyes:
If Osama is elected, it may be the end of the American way of life. We just have to drill for oil and become independent of our Middle Eastern oil dependence. Between Russia, China, and the oil rich Arabs, they are buying too much of American. Now, with our low dollar, they can afford to own America. I recently heard that Russia bought Getty Oil. Arabs are in Canada too, buying,, buying with all the dollars WE are sending to them to pay for oil. We should develop our own resources!!! This is a very scary time, and Osama and the Liberals are absolutely part of the downing of America. Tax, and more taxes!!!

Our CPA friend says they will ask you how much you make. Then they will tell you to send it in!!!!!

INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
Spread the word.....
This is something you should be
aware of so you don't get blind-sided.
This is really going to catch a lot
of families off guard. It should
make you worry.
Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:

CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000
per home (couples) McCain does not
propose any change in existing
home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales
How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you
will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
If you are heading toward retirement
and would like to down-size your
home or move into a retirement
community, 28% of the money you
make from your home will go to taxes. This
proposal will adversely affect the
elderly who are counting on the income
from their homes as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6%
How will this affect you?
If you have any money invested in stock
market, IRA, mutual funds,
college funds, life insurance, retirement
accounts, or anything that pays
or reinvests dividends, you will now
be paying nearly 40% of the money
earned on taxes if Obama become president.
The experts predict that 'higher
tax rates on dividends and capital gains
would crash the stock market yet
do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN (no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750

Under Obama your taxes will
more than double!
How does this affect you? No explanation
needed. This is pretty
straight forward.
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
How does this affect you? Many families
have lost businesses,
farms and ranches, and homes
that have
been in their families
for generations because they could not
afford the inheritance tax.
Those willing their assets to loved
ones will not only lose them to
these taxes.
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on
homes that are more than
2400 square feet
* New gasoline taxes (as if
gas weren't high enough already)
* New taxes on natural resources
consumption (heating
gas, water, electricity)
* New taxes on retirement accounts
and last but not least....
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
so we can receive the same
level of medical care as other
third-world countries!!!
 
anyone who votes for mccain or obama with theiir current platform missed the message of r4r.

voting obama is an ineffective protest vote as the MSM will spin it that liberalism is popular.

the only way to showthat mccain is shedding votes is to vote for barr, as the msm has already decided that it will concede votes tabulated to Barr as"lost from mccain"

if the percentage of votes going to mccain + the percentage of votes going to barr > obama, butthe percentage of votes going to mccain are < obama,then the republican party will know what time it is.

we know how these metrics work, a voteforobama approves his platform, makes the DP more popular in other elections, and serves to marginalize parties with candidates we would actually like.
 
^ I would agree but allot of people including myself worry about these taxes, can you blame people for that? It truly does come down to own worries and most worry about Obama's crazy tax hikes, I cant believe people don't actually see how much more fuked we will be with Obama vs. McCain just to go against McCain "just because"... :rolleyes:
 
I know most of you have family who are pro Obama or McCain so here is an email got from one of my friends :rolleyes:

HEH HEH HELL YEAH

Nothin' like trottin' out such an important, reliable news source such as a smear e-mail to make your points.

You win the argument sir!
 
I will be voting for Obama.
The Republican party needs to get crushed, so they wake up.
The LP is the party I voted for the last 2 elections, but I am pissed at their choice this year.
I will not support the LP if they are going to be taken over by Neocons.
So my vote for Obama is against both. Sucks I know, but I will still be voting for the LP/IND locally.
 
I freaking hate Obama, i seriously consider him potential anti-christ material.

However, in case anyone here has been under a rock the last year or so........the republican party has done nothing but take a big steamy shit on the Ron Paul people every single time it had the chance.

Now that the "votes are counted" and the republican party has railroaded McCain as the nominee......and we even got to see the continuing outright hostility to the Ron Paul people by the RNC by stealing all our Nevada delegates, literally not even counting Ron Paul's votes out loud, and of course the issue with Ron Paul not being at the convention.

So after ALL THAT, at every single opportunity they had to twist the knife deeper in our backs, they did so....... I simply cannot understand how someone would still cast their vote for McCain.

The Democratic party has not wronged me so much as 1/1000th of the times the republican party has wronged me.

While i wish i could give the election to Bob Barr, my vote will not do that, nor even come close. It will remain some anonymous minority independant vote for an also-ran that I don't 100% support anyway.

On the other hand, my vote can be CRUCIAL to denying the republican party that has so thoroughly wronged me over the last year (not to mention last 8 years) the presidency.

So for the first time in my life, I'll be casting my vote for president with PASSION that most folks will never understand or comprehend.... I seriously hope that other Ron Paul supporters do the same. McCain has outright said he does not want our votes.........I say we make him regret that.

Disclaimer: Be aware that voting for Obama means we'll be losing most of our bill of rights, raising taxes, dramatically increasing spending, and pretty much everything else Ron Paul is against. However, after seeing this election close up, America is lost anyway.

Personally, I'm ready to get started on the real revolution whenever that kicks off.

Obama can seriously kiss my ass. I'll be writing in Ron Paul.
 
Electing Obama is the best way to further weaken the GOP. It's also the best way to crush the Obama myth. He will break his promises, embarrass his devoted followers, and he'll be in charge for one of the most difficult periods in our history. He will fail.

Obama currently has many new young voters who are very similar to many of RP's supporters. When Obama fails to deliver on his promises these new voters will know that they've been tricked and they will seek out a true vehicle of change, The Revolution.

I've believed for many weeks that McCain will win and now that Palin is on the ticket it's almost a sure thing. Don't underestimate the power of racism in this country. People who haven't voted in 60 years will drag themselves to the polls to vote against Obama. If only they understood that the best way to hurt Obama is to elect him.

My Obama thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=153458
 
Will never vote for Obama or McCain. Never.

I am voting 3rd party - probably for Barr, to support the Libertarian party.
 
I made the mistake of feeding the Obama troll....don't make that mistake....just say you're not voting for Obama, period....instead of wasting your time getting into an argument you can't win.
 
I made the mistake of feeding the Obama troll....don't make that mistake....just say you're not voting for Obama, period....instead of wasting your time getting into an argument you can't win.

You made the mistake of using your gut to make a decision best made by your head.
 
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