Vapers of the Forums, unite! :D

You are a den of vapers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing fist down on the table) I will rout you out!
 
donnay said:
Virgin Vapor
http://www.virginvapor.com/
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Haven't tried them yet. The brick & mortar I go to doesn't carry it yet. I did notice that a lot of their liquids are PC/VG blends, which is the same as the premium liquids I get. I do believe the VG causes the PG to vape at a lower temp before it forms any negative volatiles, so while PG alone is bad, a PG/VG blend is almost as good as VG alone.

The store I frequent does have a VG-only liquid, but whatever dingbats make it thought it would be a good idea to add multivitamins to the liquid. I guess "If you are going to vape may as well make it good for you" or something. The multivitamins make it taste like drek lol.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
Haven't tried them yet. The brick & mortar I go to doesn't carry it yet. I did notice that a lot of their liquids are PC/VG blends, which is the same as the premium liquids I get. I do believe the VG causes the PG to vape at a lower temp before it forms any negative volatiles, so while PG alone is bad, a PG/VG blend is almost as good as VG alone.

The store I frequent does have a VG-only liquid, but whatever dingbats make it thought it would be a good idea to add multivitamins to the liquid. I guess "If you are going to vape may as well make it good for you" or something. The multivitamins make it taste like drek lol.
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When you decide what flavor you want there is a window that asks, would you like 100% VG or a 50/50 blend.

I vaped glycerin based colloidal silver and a glycerin based herbal tincture when I started feeling sick before Christmas. The next day I was fine.
 
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presence said:
A recent study linked higher voltage to triggering a large increase in formaldehyde production; be cautious there.

Also... I would stick to 100% vegetable glycerine NEVER propylene glycol based vape solution for the same reason.
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The Truth Behind the Formaldehyde Scare

http://blog.mtbakervapor.com/the-truth-behind-the-formaldehyde-scare/

Recently, a study was published in the New England Journal of Medicine regarding the existence of formaldehyde in e-cigarette vapor. In fact, based on the conclusions stated in this study, e-cigarette vapor may contain more formaldehyde than traditional cigarette smoke. However, is that the whole story?
Let’s start by taking a look at the findings from the New England Journal of Medicine -
“Formaldehyde is a known degradation product of propylene glycol that reacts with propylene glycol and glycerol during vaporization to produce hemiacetals. In many samples of the particulate matter in ‘vaped’ e-cigarettes, more than 2% of the total solvent molecules have converted to formaldehyde-releasing agents, reaching concentrations higher than concentrations of nicotine. Here we present results of an analysis of commercial e-liquid vaporized with the use of a ‘tank system’ e-cigarette featuring a variable voltage battery. At low voltage (3.3v) we did not detect the formation of any formaldehyde-releasing agents. At high voltage (5.0v), formaldehyde was detected as formaldehyde-releasing agents. Extrapolating from the results at high voltage, an e-cigarette user vaping at a rate of 3ml per day would inhale 14.4mg of formaldehyde per day in formaldehyde-releasing agents. One estimate of the average delivery of formaldehyde from conventional cigarettes is approximately 3mg per pack.”
To summarize what this study is saying – at 3.3v of a standard variable voltage tank system e-cig, no formaldehyde was found. However, at 5.0v of the same system, formaldehyde-releasing agents were found at over 10 times the amount found in traditional cigarettes. Now, on first inspection, this sounds really bad for vaping. Yet, there are additional factors that need to be considered when looking at this study.
In a Tobacco Analysis article titled The Rest of the Story the authors bring up an interesting, and pivotal point regarding the evaluation of the results of this study -
“There’s just one problem with the study, but the problem renders it’s conclusions invalid. The conditions used to study the e-cigarette aerosol at the high voltage settings were unrealistic and under such conditions, a vaper would never be able to use the product. This is because the wattage being used was so high that the vaporizer was overheated (for a conventional e-cigarette it would likely damamge or burn the coils), creating a horrible taste which a vaper could not tolerate. Essentially, what this study demonstrates is that if you overheat a vaping system, it will produce high levels of formaldehyde. However, such conditions are not realistic, therefore, extrapolating from this study to a lifetime of vaping is meaningless.”
Meaning that in order to achieve the voltage necessary to reach the levels of formaldehyde discovered in this study, you would have to overheat your atomizer, burn your coils, and then vape that repeatedly to be exposed.
Now, it looks like we’re comparing a scientific study with just another vaper disputing the information, so I want to share one more source with you regarding the results of this study. Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos is a cardiologist, and has studied the effects of smoking on cardiac dysfunction since 2010, and performing research on e-cigs since 2011. Dr. Farsalinos has no relation to the e-cigarette or tobacco industry, making his research completely independent. Yesterday, January 21, 2015 Dr. Farsalinos published an article titled The Deception of Measuring Formaldehyde in E-Cigarette Aerosol . This is what he concluded:
“There are many major issues in that study. The authors failed to realize that voltage levels provide no information about the thermal load of an e-cigarette device. As a result we do not know how many watts were applied to the atomizer. However, there is a way to approximate this, through the information provided about the liquid consumption per puff. Based on the information provided at 5.0v the energy was around 14-16 watts. That would be extremely high for most commercially-available atomizers. Thus it is more than obvious that once again the atomizer was overheated, which of course would result in very high levels of formaldehyde production. In fact, overheating results in an unpleasant taste that none can withstand. As a result, no vaper is ever using the e-cigarette at such conditions and, thus, will never be exposed to such levels of formaldehyde. The story published in New England Journal of Medicine is similar to finding carcinogens in an overcooked piece of meat that none can ever eat. Of course the findings are true, but none will be exposed to the levels found.”
Basically, what Dr. Farsalinos is saying is that the atomizer in the e-cig used was overheated, which always causes formaldehyde from the combustion. Yet, vapers don’t sit and vape all day on an overheated and burnt coil. In fact, we can rarely get an actual hit off of one. The second we get that burnt taste we pull everything apart and replace the coil. Meaning, we would never be exposed to the formaldehyde discovered in this new study.
Now that we know that, while it’s true that high levels of formaldehyde were found, it is not under standard vaping use and we can look at the bright side of this study. No formaldehyde at all was found when the atomizer was within it’s range of vaping ability. That means, this study just proved that there isn’t searchable traces of formaldehyde in our vape! This is a very good thing Vape Fans! It’s one more study showing that when you actually vape within the limits of your e-cig, there is one less chemical that you used to get from smoking, no longer being inhaled!
In summary, while at first the study may seem to be indicating that there are extremely high levels of formaldehyde in our vape, closer inspection shows us quite the opposite. If you’re not vaping on an overheated atomizer and burnt coil, you aren’t inhaling any searchable levels of formaldehyde. I encourage each of you to look closely at the reality surrounding the information being given to you by the mainstream media, especially when it comes to e-cigarettes. As we’ve shown here, important information can at times get lost in translation, resulting in a completely different conclusion than that which would be reached with all of the information. Read and question everything to truly educate yourselves and find the truth. Until next time, let us know what you think of the information you’ve seen in the media, compared to what you have learned here.
Vape on!
Written By: Michelle Harnden
 
Been vaping for almost 2 years now. Love it. You sacrifice a little in taste and texture, but that psychological attachment fades quickly. And the upshot of lower prices, can do it anywhere without stinking up the place, in the rain, with gloves on, a big drag casually when you need one rather than a whole cigarette in 10 minutes, way less stress on the lungs, among other things makes it a no-brainer.

My setup is just ego-t batteries (5$ on oceanvapor.com last I checked) and CE4 compatible cartomizers (about $2). I've had same three batteries for over a year, and I use the cartridges up in about a month.

Incognito tip: As your vaping gets chronic you'll likely want to vape everywhere. Theater, church, PTA meetings, job interviews, etc. While it doesn't stink the vapor is still visible and hangs in the air. To vape discreetly in these situations hold the drag in for 5 to 10 seconds and by the time you exhale the vapor will already have condensed in your lungs. You may need to adjust breath holding time depending on your equipment. (NOTE: my big complaint in these situations is that damn light that shows that the coil is working, so for this problem you need to be clever in using your grip to hide the light in dark places like a theater for instance)

EDIT: Also, as far as juice goes I recommend something fruity that isn't "berry" related. I wouldn't go for tobacco flavored ones as the only reason you think you like that flavor is mostly psychological habit from analog addiction. You can start with a bottle of that but it isn't the same as a regular cig and you will tire of it fast. And the "berry" ones like strawberry, cherry, mixed berry, etc. taste very 'cough syrup'ish. I've settled on grape, apple, or watermelon.
 
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specsaregood said:
We have a couple of provari's in our house and I like the metal aspire tank since I'm one that suffers from the habit of dropping stuff.

I quit smoking using the gum years ago. Nowadays I vape a 6mg or less nicotine level whenever I get the old urge (eg: drinking nights). I only like the menthol flavors even though I never smoked menthol cigs. My wife quit using the ecigs. She makes her own juice primarily.

I consider the ecigs as one of the greatest positive inventions in regards to public health in decades. Nowadays when Im out driving I never see people smoking cigs, but everyday I see people vaping in their cars. My fear is the states just will not abide, the tax loss much be enormous. eg: this is from the budget outlook for NJ (2014-2015)

See that? They are already planning in their budget passing new taxes specifically targeting ecigs.
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Yeah, NC is one of 2 states that have already passed a tax on e-liquid; fortunately it's less than 95%. It's 12.5% plus 5¢ per mL. This was with Republican super-majorities in both chambers and a Republican governor....
 
:rolleyes:

California Takes A Strong Stand Against E-Cigarettes

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New generations of young people will become nicotine addicts if the products remain largely unregulated, Chapman said. Last year, 17 percent of high school seniors reported using e-cigarettes, known as vaping, according to the report.

"Without action, it is likely that California's more than two decades of progress to prevent and reduce traditional tobacco use will erode as e-cigarettes re-normalize smoking behavior," the report says.

E-cigarettes heat liquid nicotine into inhalable vapor without the tar and other chemicals found in traditional cigarettes. A cartridge of nicotine can cost anywhere from $5 to $20 dollars and can be reused.

California banned the sale of e-cigarettes to minors in 2010, but the report raises concerns about children consuming liquid nicotine with flavors such as cotton candy and gummy bear. Reports of children under 5 with e-cigarette poisoning jumped from seven in 2012 to 154 last year.

The California report says e-cigarettes emit as many as 10 toxic chemicals, but advocates say there is no evidence those substances are released at dangerous levels.

"Despite the health officer's false claims, there is ample evidence that vaping helps smokers quit and is far less hazardous than smoking," Gregory Conley, president of the e-cigarette advocacy group American Vaping Association, said in an email. "Smokers deserve truthful and accurate information about the relative risks of different nicotine products, not hype and conjecture based on cherry-picked reports."

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is also proposing regulations that include warning labels and ingredient lists on e-cigarettes, although enactment could take years. California health officials are calling for restrictions on the marketing and sale of e-cigarettes and protections against accidental ingestion of liquid nicotine.

A state senator introduced legislation this week that would regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products and ban their use in public places such as hospitals, bars and schools. A similar bill was defeated last year over opposition from tobacco companies.

Chapman, the health official, would not take a position on specific legislation, but said his department would be rolling out an e-cigarette awareness campaign with possible television and radio advertisements.

E-cigarettes have become more visible as they grow in popularity and commercials for the products air in places where traditional cigarette ads have been banned. Businesses related to e-cigarettes, including vaping lounges, are rapidly popping up in cities across California.

Geoff Braithwaite, co-owner of an Oakland store that sells liquid nicotine for e-cigarettes, said he understands the need to restrict vaping in public and prevent sales to minors. He says his customers are longtime smokers who should be able to get a nicotine buzz without the harshness of a regular cigarette.

"Nicotine has all this stigma attached solely to the medium we used to use," Braithwaite said. "When you try to outright ban e-cigarettes, you're lumping in the solution with the problem."

Other states, including Oklahoma, Tennessee and Arkansas, already have issued advisories cautioning the use of e-cigarettes. Legislatures have been exploring restrictions on e-cigarette marketing, adding childproof packaging requirements and imposing taxes to discourage use.

"Health officials want to be proactive on this important public health issue," said Lisa Waddell, who leads community health and prevention at the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials. "The issue of real concern here is we really don't know everything that's in these products, and you are seeing the rise of the use of these products in our children as well as our adults."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/28/california-e-cigarettes_n_6566418.html
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I just can't understand how it all works. They have voltage and watts, then atomizers and cartomizers and clearomizers and all this other stuff. One piece is compatible with a specific thing while not compatible with another. You need to replace X component every so often etc...

I actually spent a few hours a couple months ago researching these things and I just couldn't grasp it.
 
On a side note:

I think it's funny that the complaint is "candy flavored".

You know what else is candy flavored? Candy.

What's worse for a kid, a nicotine addiction or eating a pound of candy a day? You wanna impress me with saving the children how about passing a law that forbids impulse candy/soda/toy merchandise from being right next to every cash register in every retail store on the planet causing my kid to nag me for one every time I go to the store.

Fuckers.
 
I know quite a few people who vape but I never got into it myself. Some of the flavors are nice though.
 
I just went with a Kanger EMOW starter kit from misthub for $39.95. It seems like the best and cheapest option for a multi variable battery and higher end clearomizer.

When I added a bottle of juice for $11.99 it went to $51 and I got free shipping - I don't think the free shipping option was there at $39.95, I could have missed it though, but I was about to pay $45 for a vape by itself. I got the Clouds of Hope Harvest ejuice, supposedly it tastes like strawberry jam going in and peanut butter on the exhale and is pretty solid. I'll probably buy more juices from virginjuice.

I haven't smoked nicotine in months, I imagine it will take me a few months to go through a bottle. I got the 12 mg level of nicotine, that will be plenty for me I think. Of course I'll also be using it for hash.

Edit: Also got this liquid from virgin vapor

http://www.virginvapor.com/collections/organic-e-liquid/products/organic-ry4play-e-liquid
 
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