UPDATE: Women have a RIGHT to FREE contraception.

[HigherVision]

Critical Theory i.e. Cultural Marxism promotes the notion that women are the eternal victims of men. It's what they used to subvert our culture from individualism and capitalism to collectivism and socialism. They recognized that Americans' family based social structure was preventing the working class from embracing Marxism so they started pushing this stuff heavy in the universities in the 60's.

 

[donnay]

I can't watch Youtube videos at work, but I imagine I've already seen everything you've linked me to. I am familiar with fluoride, fluoride science and it's history. I've never rejected the claims that it is harmful to you. All I reject -and I haven't even done so yet- is that it is A Plot By the Man To Keep Us Down, and docile, and without children, and stupid.

Child birth rates in westernized places that have not banned fluoridation are no lower than westernized areas that have. How about IQs and violent crime? Think there's any difference there? I don't. If fluoride has been added to our water to influence our behavior The Illuminati have failed miserably. Foiled again, by those darn kids! And they didn't even have to use their darn internets to do it!

A more likely scenario is that interested parties worked to add fluoride to water because they honestly believed it to help Joe Average more than it harmed Joe Average. Whether that it does or not is up for plenty of debate at this point.

The interested parties? You mean the manipulators who manipulated people's trust into thinking fluoride is good for fighting tooth decay? There was never any real proof given.


You just said not more than two posts ago:

"Many people believed then, like many people believe now, that fluoride is good for your teeth. Other people have an interest in selling it or using it. It's a convergence of interests. Why wouldn't people within the related professions and industries want to convince others of its importance? Why wouldn't they want to hire the best in the business to push their view point? And it should be noted that cavities are almost non-existent now and dental-health is better than it has ever been at any point in human history."

Weston Price and Marion Pottenger spent years studying indigenous people, and what causes tooth decay. It is the lack of nutrition, vitamins and minerals! Sodium Fluoride is USELESS against tooth decay, has never been proven to work AT ALL, and is a known poison that impairs intelligence.

http://www.curetoothdecay.com/Tooth_Decay/healthy_people_healthy_teeth.htm

Fluoride and Fluoridation: Wide Range of Serious Health Problems Including Thyroid Disorder

In 2005, eleven unions within the EPA publicly called for a ban of water fluoridation, over concerns that it may cause bone cancer. And in 2006, the American Dental Association warned mothers about using fluoridated water to mix their powdered baby formula. Now, finally, the U.S. Department of Agriculture is developing software to try to assess just how much fluoride you’re ingesting, citing new findings that cumulative fluoride intake might lead to painful skeletal fluorosisMedical Professionals and Scientists are warning that water fluoridation has dangerous long-term consequences to health. For over 50 years, the U.S. government and media have trumpeted fluoride as a safe and effective means of reducing cavities, especially in children. But fluoride is not the benevolent and innocuous substance the public has been led to believe. Chronic doses of fluoride, like arsenic and lead, accumulate in our bodies causing a blockage in the way cells breathe and leads to the malformation of collagen. Cancer, diabetes, thyroid and neurological disorders, hormonal imbalances, heart disease, arthritis and osteoporosis have all been linked to chronic fluoride ingestion. We are now exposed to increasing doses of fluoride from toothpaste, rinses, water, food, medicines, showering, bathing, and even the air that we breathe. Our environment has become a literal fluoride dumping ground.

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/fluoride.htm

Research, learn and understand, you, like many others have been manipulated!!

 

[KingNothing]

Research, learn and understand, you, like many others have been manipulated!!

Would you please cut it with this arrogant, holier than thou slop, Enlightened One? I already know everything you've mentioned so far, and I've said multiple times now that I'm against the fluoridation of water. Disagreeing with you on the context of an issue does not mean I've "been manipulated" and it does not mean that I'm not capable of joining the same elite vanguard, dedicated to the protection of all things Sacred, Good, And American that you believe you're part of. And it doesn't mean that I hate kittens, or that I want Liberty to go down the memory hole. It just means we disagree on the consequences of water fluoridation, Buck.

You completely dodged the logical conclusion that THEY failed in THEIR attempts to manipulate human behavior by fluoridating water. It's had almost no net effect, positive or negative, on humanity that it's silly to claim it's part of the Big Lie hell-bent on depopulating the earth.

Why are you inventing this strawman argument, and discounting the logic laid out here? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ntraception.&p=4201633&viewfull=1#post4201633

 

[donnay]

Would you please cut it with this arrogant, holier than thou slop, Enlightened One? I already know everything you've mentioned so far, and I've said multiple times now that I'm against the fluoridation of water. Disagreeing with you on the context of an issue does not mean I've "been manipulated" and it does not mean that I'm not capable of joining the same elite vanguard, dedicated to the protection of all things Sacred, Good, And American that you believe you're part of. And it doesn't mean that I hate kittens, or that I want Liberty to go down the memory hole. It just means we disagree on the consequences of water fluoridation, Buck.

You completely dodged the logical conclusion that THEY failed in THEIR attempts to manipulate human behavior by fluoridating water. It's had almost no net effect, positive or negative, on humanity that it's silly to claim it's part of the Big Lie hell-bent on depopulating the earth.

Why are you inventing this strawman argument, and discounting the logic laid out here? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ntraception.&p=4201633&viewfull=1#post4201633

It's not a holier than thou attitude, it is a well researched, well studied attitude. The Manhattan Project is at the core of this. The documents from Hitler and Stalin have been exposed and duly noted. You would think Edward Bernays would know enough about those two men, and what they did to his people, not to want to do the same things to Americans with sodium fluoride. However, since Bernays was such a good manipulator, fluoride has been thought to fight tooth decay for decades. Meanwhile it has been slowly poisoning the American people!!


Again, if you tell a lie long enough people will begin to think it is true...

 

[oyarde]

You guys, birth control is a health care issue. Beer, gasoline, and implants are not .


What I find really fucking bizaroo about this is.... A) Why does something that is already so fucking cheap need to be free?
B) Why the fuck aren't they talking about making things free for people with medical conditions? For instance free insulin? I have to pay around 500-600 dollars a month to stay alive. Hell I don't even want it for free, but I would love if the government instead got out of the fucking way and allowed companies to reduce the costs so I didn't have to spend so damn much on products they inflate (also by destroying our dollar).

All these whiny liberals and dumbasses that think they are doing something good for the world with free birth control? Fuck yourself with a .22 mag and pull the trigger. It's so damn annoying that something so cheap and already readily accessible and free (planned parenthood, some schools etc) is getting this many peoples attention, yet getting the government to reduce the cost of vital life saving medicine is of no concern to these fuckers.

To 'wrap' it all up, condoms cost me about 10$ a month. Medicine about 500-600$ a month. Fuck the people that want to reduce the cost (by making others pay) of the already cheap product.

You need to learn to think like one of those progressive Dems .Need gasoline to get to health care , beer and boobs needed for proper mental health to continue to work and pay taxes for UnConstititional stuff for others

 

[KingNothing]

It's not a holier than thou attitude, it is a well researched, well studied attitude. The Manhattan Project is at the core of this. The documents from Hitler and Stalin have been exposed and duly noted. You would think Edward Bernays would know enough about those two men, and what they did to his people, not to want to do the same things to Americans with sodium fluoride. However, since Bernays was such a good manipulator, fluoride has been thought to fight tooth decay for decades. Meanwhile it has been slowly poisoning the American people!!


Again, if you tell a lie long enough people will begin to think it is true...

Still nothing on the Alex Jonesian take of fluoridation and how THEY failed to really bring about any change to the population through it?

And no opinion of how my stance, detailed here - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ntraception.&p=4201633&viewfull=1#post4201633 - converges so nicely with reality?

 

[onlyrp]

OK, so you just stumbled upon RPFs? Never been here before Jan 2012?

How did you find out about this place?

I've never been a registered user on here until I did. I've read the forum in the past, probably since 2010. I heard of it Googling Ron Paul discussion, or Ron Paul talk, that was over a year ago, so that's what I remember.

 

[onlyrp]

Still nothing on the Alex Jonesian take of fluoridation and how THEY failed to really bring about any change to the population through it?

And no opinion of how my stance, detailed here - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ntraception.&p=4201633&viewfull=1#post4201633 - converges so nicely with reality?

If you deny a conspiracy, you're either part of it, a coincidence theorist or the brainwashed hopeless victim of it. You can't possibly be a critical thinker or have reason to not believe the conspiracy.

 

[onlyrp]

People complaining about birth control then also complaining about welfare are being oxymorons. Just think if people used birth control there would be less welfare going out. I am just saying it is probably cheaper to pay for birth control then pay for welfare for babies/kids. So maybe you should consider the cost of this political stance.

Agreed! They're all about "who are we to judge" when it's about somebody's child, but when it comes to feeding their child, they have no problem saying "it's not my job to help you". It's a FACT that birth control, even late term abortions, are cheaper than feeding a child, this is even if you exclude labor for caring, entertainment, clothing and other "necessities" of a healthy and happy child.

 

[tttppp]

Seriously? WTF is wrong with this world??? Thats like saying. MEN have a right to FREE gym memberships! Men have a right to FREE viagra! Free Cellphones. RIGHTS!! This is disgusting. Isnt this where ron paul flies in with his cape and his pen and vetos this unconstitutional crap?!??!

I'll bet you if candidate said he'd eliminate the free market and have the government provide everything for you, that that candidate would be elected. Communism is very popular these days, which is why Obama was elected.

 

[onlyrp]

I'll bet you if candidate said he'd eliminate the free market and have the government provide everything for you, that that candidate would be elected. Communism is very popular these days, which is why Obama was elected.

I'm with you there. People will never ask "where does that money come from". And the rich or educated who oppose it will be victims of angry mobs, because they "hate the poor".

 

[Danke]

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie. There is no system. The universe is indifferent.

Whoa, thanks for breaking that to me.

Did I say such a thing?

People (rich and connected ones) do collaborate together and influence politicians and their legislation. It has been shown many times, even here on RPFs. If you don't see that, you are blind.

Show me a regulation, and I can show you a advocacy group behind it for their own self interest, not at all altruistic. Almost always impeding self reliance and fair competition.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

You want free health care? Birth control? You have come to the right place!

 

[gunnysmith]

The 2nd Amendment prevents the government from infringing on my right to keep and bear arms.
It is a God given right for the defense of self, family, state and country.
OK, where's my free gun.
Sorry, just a simple analogy, from a basic libertarian

 

[onlyrp]

The 2nd Amendment prevents the government from infringing on my right to keep and bear arms.
It is a God given right for the defense of self, family, state and country.
OK, where's my free gun.
Sorry, just a simple analogy, from a basic libertarian

I was just about to ask you where is your source for "its a god given right"

 

[Danke]

I was just about to ask you where is your source for "its a god given right"

Do you have a source that says it is not my right?

 

[donnay]

If you deny a conspiracy, you're either part of it, a coincidence theorist or the brainwashed hopeless victim of it. You can't possibly be a critical thinker or have reason to not believe the conspiracy.

You cannot be in denial about a conspiracy to poison people and make them docile and be a critical thinker. There is enough documentation out there for people to connect the dots conclusively.

 

[KingNothing]

You cannot be in denial about a conspiracy to poison people and make them docile and be a critical thinker. There is enough documentation out there for people to connect the dots conclusively.

Yeah, Americans are one docile bunch. Not nearly as much violent crime here as there is in other countr.... oh wait a minute.

You guys play so fast and loose with facts and logic that it discredits the valid arguments we can present. A great microcosm of that happens in one of the fluoride documentaries you posted. The host shows a glass of water, and a toothbrush with toothpaste on it and claims each has the same amount fluoride, and that if you swallow what's on the toothbrush you're to call poison control. That is absolutely absurd, but it's emblematic of the style employed by these guys. What a shame that is, too -- there's plenty wrong with society today that we don' need hyperbole and bombastic claims to strengthen our case.

 

[onlyrp]

You cannot be in denial about a conspiracy to poison people and make them docile and be a critical thinker. There is enough documentation out there for people to connect the dots conclusively.

any of it not coming from Alex Jones type websites?

 

[onlyrp]

Yeah, Americans are one docile bunch. Not nearly as much violent crime here as there is in other countr.... oh wait a minute.

Is violence a sign of docile or intelligence?