UPDATE: Women have a RIGHT to FREE contraception.

[AFPVet]

well, they have a right to pursue happiness.

and birth control is a tool for that pursuit.

so birth control is a right.

man, i feel dizzy!!

LOL... that last part was actually "property", but was later changed to "pursuit of happiness" in the DOI; however, the inalienable rights remained life, liberty, and property.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Are you able to argue against his point in anyway?
What benefits are there for the man?

Do you think men are the only ones in this place and time who are "breadwinners?"

 

[eduardo89]

Do you think men are the only ones in this place and time who are "breadwinners?"

No, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not right.

“If your wife is working, you are a selfish bastard. How dare you make her shoulder her half of the curse and part of yours as well!”

-Mark Driscoll

 

[otherone]

Marriage is a contract.. a bad contract totally lopsided to the woman.

Traditionally, marriage is a social contract, a union of two families. Until relatively recently, women have been a commodity whose purpose has been procreation to ensure lineage, inheritance, or family labor. Religion is only significant in regards to the culture present. State-sanctioned marriage (as we have now) is mostly totalitarianism.

 

[wannaberocker]

Hey guys i was having a discussion with a leftist guy i know recently about this issue and the catholic universities and hospitals. I was saying that the govt does not have the right to force these institutions to do something that goes against their beliefs. He said "that would be true in any other case, but in case of universities and hospitals that take federal funding. The govt then has a right to require certain standards".

Now anyone know how much on average Uni's and Hospitals take in fed funding?

 

[JuicyG]

No, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not right.

That`s sexist. Women can be providers same as men.

A woman who has no source of income is very dependent on the man, and that`s not very wise. Very often this brings them depression, isolation and abuse. They have no means to fight abuse without a source of income. It basically puts them in a corner, in a place from which they can`t fight back. They can`t even divorce as they have no income of their own, so they have to put up or shut up. A woman who who enters this type of existence is a (edit: potential)victim of her own making.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

well, JuicyG, you can consider me a very happy victim!!! i have a wonderful, loving husband who provides for his family and cherishes his kids and I. and we have a Christ-centered marriage and family and it works quite well.

furthermore: i absolutely love being a homemaker and i wouldn't change it for the world.

That`s sexist. Women can be providers same as men.

A woman who has no source of income is very dependent on the man, and that`s not very wise. Very often this brings them depression, isolation and abuse. They have no means to fight abuse without a source of income. It basically puts them in a corner, in a place from which they can`t fight back. They can`t even divorce as they have no income of their own, so they have to put up or shut up. A woman who who enters this type of existence is a victim of her own making.

 

[wannaberocker]

well, JuicyG, you can consider me a very happy victim!!! i have a wonderful, loving husband who provides for his family and cherishes his kids and I. and we have a Christ-centered marriage and family and it works quite well.

furthermore: i absolutely love being a homemaker and i wouldn't change it for the world.

Exactly, a homemaker dosnt always equal being a victim and being abused. Some women love it and some dont, some working women are victims of abuse too. Abusers dont care if a woman works or not.

 

[JuicyG]

well, JuicyG, you can consider me a very happy victim!!! i have a wonderful, loving husband who provides for his family and cherishes his kids and I. and we have a Christ-centered marriage and family and it works quite well.

furthermore: i absolutely love being a homemaker and i wouldn't change it for the world.

I hope your luck won`t change. Many are not as lucky as husbands cheat or get violent `n such. Women have no resort to fall back on.
In many such cases the man, who`s the provider, manages the money which brings a high level of frustration to the wife as she has to beg for money when she wants to buy this and that.

I didn`t say though there aren`t happy cases just that ... things change.

 

[otherone]

I hope your luck won`t change for the worse. Many are not as lucky as husbands cheat or get violent `n such. Women have no resort to fall back on.

A lot of stereotypes here. Let's just agree that the best marriages are true domestic 'partnerships'.

 

[wannaberocker]

I hope your luck won`t change. Many are not as lucky as husbands cheat or get violent `n such. Women have no resort to fall back on.
Also in many such cases the man, who`s the provider, manages the money which brings a high level of frustration to the wife as she has to beg for money when she wants to buy this and that.

I didn`t say though there aren`t happy cases just that ... things change.

I dont buy into your worst case situation. Iv known women whos husbands were abusive and these women worked. THe point im trying to make is that you cannot say that "if person xyz had a job, she would not be abused" and you cant say "she was abused by her husband because she didnt have a job". Abuse is a much deeper issue and often the victim's have a hard time getting out of the relationship even if they have a job.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

i was responding to the notion that a woman who stays home and doesn't work is a "victim of her own making."

i can think of other things that make women such, and being a homemaker is very low on the list.

That's awesome Kiwi, I think the point was simply if women are told not to work, as a whole, or restrained from doing so, they have no options in life but to depend on men to care for them. Back to the whole get married or be destitute concept. Your life would actually depend on how pretty and pleasing you could make yourself appear to men. Talk about hell.

Choosing as a wife to stay home is fine. Why not if you want to and can afford it? But saying it's wrong for women to work, as I believe someone else mentioned earlier, that just makes no sense.

 

[eduardo89]

I hope your luck won`t change. Many are not as lucky as husbands cheat or get violent `n such. Women have no resort to fall back on.
In many such cases the man, who`s the provider, manages the money which brings a high level of frustration to the wife as she has to beg for money when she wants to buy this and that.

I didn`t say though there aren`t happy cases just that ... things change.

The type of person you describe is not a man who lives his life by the word of God. He is not much of a man at all actually. A woman who marries that kind of "man" is a victim of her own making.

How to Honor Your Wife

 

[JuicyG]

I dont buy into your worst case situation. Iv known women whos husbands were abusive and these women worked. THe point im trying to make is that you cannot say that "if person xyz had a job, she would not be abused" and you cant say "she was abused by her husband because she didnt have a job". Abuse is a much deeper issue and often the victim's have a hard time getting out of the relationship even if they have a job.

Guess you failed to see my point. I`ve said women without an income have no resort to fall back on in case marriage or relationship turns sour.
Just read my posts again.

A woman who works will have the ability to leave the man and/or get a divorce and not be forced to stay in an abusive relationship. She will have an alternative if things go bad. In many of these cases if push comes to shove, getting a job without certain qualifications or beyond certain age threshold is not really an option for a house wife.

 

[eduardo89]

That's awesome Kiwi, I think the point was simply if women are told not to work, as a whole, or restrained from doing so, they have no options in life but to depend on men to care for them. Back to the whole get married or be destitute concept. Your life would actually depend on how pretty and pleasing you could make yourself appear to men. Talk about hell.

Choosing as a wife to stay home is fine. Why not if you want to and can afford it? But saying it's wrong for women to work, as I believe someone else mentioned earlier, that just makes no sense.

I didn't say it's wrong for a woman to work, I said it's wrong for a man not to provide for his family and make his wife have to work. A man who makes his wife work is a selfish bastard as the quote I posted says. One of the ways a husband honors his wife is financially.

 

[wannaberocker]

The type of person you describe is not a man who lives his life by the word of God. He is not much of a man at all actually. A woman who marries that kind of "man" is a victim of her own making.

How to Honor Your Wife

Thats a really nice read the "how to honor your wife" blog. Thanks for sharing.

 

[JuicyG]

The type of person you describe is not a man who lives his life by the word of God. He is not much of a man at all actually. A woman who marries that kind of "man" is a victim of her own making.

How to Honor Your Wife

World is full of alcoholic church goers who beat their house wives and after Sunday confession their slate is wiped clean.

Very often women or man have no clue who they`re marrying exactly and you know, people do change in time.

A traumatic event can turn perfectly good prince charming into some alcohol addict and wife beater or same prince charming can fall madly in love with several women and have affairs while house wive would just have to sit there `n take it while man comes home smelling of several women.

 

[wannaberocker]

Guess you failed to see my point. I`ve said women without an income have no resort to fall back on in case marriage or relationship turns sour.
Just read my posts again.

A woman who works will have the ability to leave the man and/or get a divorce and not be forced to stay in an abusive relationship. She will have an alternative if things go bad. In many of these cases if push comes to shove, getting a job without certain qualifications or beyond certain age threshold is not really an option for a house wife.

But see i think the mindset you present about a wife working could eventually hurt a marriage. Now i dont disagree that working provides an option for a woman whos abused. But if a woman goes into marriage thinking "oh i need to get a job because if my lloving husbands starts to abuse me, ill get out because ill have a job" then i dont see that marriage surviving very long.

So to me that mindset is a mindset that says "i dont trust the person im marrying". A marriage without trust will not be very much fun or wont last very long. The truth is that giving up trust puts us in an odd situations where we have a higher chance of getting hurt. But without trust we might be able to protect ourselves if things turn bad, but we are also not giving the marriage a chance "To work".

 

[eduardo89]

World is full of alcoholic church goers who beat their house wives and after Sunday confession their slate is wiped clean.

Very often women or man have no clue who they`re marrying exactly and you know, people do change in time.

A traumatic event can turn perfectly good prince charming into some alcohol addict and wife beater or same prince charming can fall madly in love with several women and have affairs while house wive would just have to sit there `n take it while man comes home smelling of several women.

None of what you just wrote describes a Christian man.

Confession without repentance and reconciliation does nothing to forgive any sin.

 

[JuicyG]

But see i think the mindset you present about a wife working could eventually hurt a marriage. Now i dont disagree that working provides an option for a woman whos abused. But if a woman goes into marriage thinking "oh i need to get a job because if my lloving husbands starts to abuse me, ill get out because ill have a job" then i dont see that marriage surviving very long.

So to me that mindset is a mindset that says "i dont trust the person im marrying". A marriage without trust will not be very much fun or wont last very long. The truth is that giving up trust puts us in an odd situations where we have a higher chance of getting hurt. But without trust we might be able to protect ourselves if things turn bad, but we are also not giving the marriage a chance "To work".

Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. You can see it as an insurance policy. You can`t blindly trust that everything will work out perfectly. Life is full of surprises.