UPDATE: Lawyers for Ron Paul Conference Call 9PMEST WILL be recorded and posted #inside

[No1butPaul]

Here it is:

http://www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf

See Rule 40...

Dave, these rules don't matter! They can be changed ANY time ... you guys have to understand this!

 

[WhistlinDave]

A lot are really doing it for party solidarity. I think Romney would have to be damaged goods, which he might well be IF this law suit was successful because fraud at the conventions would be everywhere by that point. However, today if they just said 'you can vote your conscience' a ton of the party types would just say to themselves "Yes, and I will vote the way I am supposed to, because I am a good little delegate....'

I think he will be damaged goods by the time the convention rolls around if this lawsuit is successful. I like to take that thought a step further...

Not sure if anyone here heard my first question on the call, but I asked, "Do you have enough evidence to prove Romney himself was complicit in criminal activities, and if so, is it possible that he will not even be able to attend the convention or won't be eligible to be nominated at the convention." Or something along those lines, that isn't word for word.

His answer: YES.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Although Rule 41 states how Rules committees are to function prior to the convention:

RULE NO. 42
Temporary Rules
Rule Nos. 25 through No. 42 shall be the
temporary rules of the next national convention and its
committees and subcommittees.

 

[No1butPaul]

I think he will be damaged goods by the time the convention rolls around if this lawsuit is successful. I like to take that thought a step further...

Not sure if anyone here heard my first question on the call, but I asked, "Do you have enough evidence to prove Romney himself was complicit in criminal activities, and if so, is it possible that he will not even be able to attend the nomination or won't be eligible to be nominated at the convention." Or something along those lines, that isn't word for word.

His answer: YES.

The RICO (criminal) suit would have to follow and, if I'm not mistaken, it has to be able to attach to a civil judgement in order to be brought forth. That would be after the convention.

Add (I'm not certain though, and don't know if I could explain that to my grandmother )

 

[Sentinelrv]

I think he will be damaged goods by the time the convention rolls around if this lawsuit is successful. I like to take that thought a step further...

Not sure if anyone here heard my first question on the call, but I asked, "Do you have enough evidence to prove Romney himself was complicit in criminal activities, and if so, is it possible that he will not even be able to attend the nomination or won't be eligible to be nominated at the convention." Or something along those lines, that isn't word for word.

His answer: YES.

Wow, I can't wait to see this play out. All I really have to hold onto right now is the hope that this guy is the real deal.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I think he will be damaged goods by the time the convention rolls around if this lawsuit is successful. I like to take that thought a step further...

Not sure if anyone here heard my first question on the call, but I asked, "Do you have enough evidence to prove Romney himself was complicit in criminal activities, and if so, is it possible that he will not even be able to attend the nomination or won't be eligible to be nominated at the convention." Or something along those lines, that isn't word for word.

His answer: YES.

So, how do they stop Romney before the convention? The current case before the court is a "question".
Are they going to pull a "Strauss-Kahn"?

 

[Barrex]

I'm not holding my breath about this. Don't know about the guy.

At the moment, I believe the delegates are unbound by default. That prior court case and all. What if the plan is to bring up this court case again and botch it?

What other lawyers are involved with this? Can anyone confirm his credentials?

-t

Yes. Google. There is ton of information about him. (Also when you do that be careful : Richard C. Gilbert and Richard E. Gilbert are not same lawyer!!!)

Yeah, that's what I'm hearing as the hypothetical down side, that they are really on the other side trying to change case law they don't like. I don't know what to say, obviously I can't swear that isn't true, but it would be pretty unethical since the delegates are their clients and they have a duty to fight for their client's interests with all zeal.

I am willing to bet you a beer (or 10,000 dollars) he is truly on our side... Frankly I put people who are pushing "he is working for Romney" into irrational category. Attorney-client privilege, confidentiality and plenty of other stuff that I dont want to repeat...


Did anyone asked about:
1) I'd like to know when the motions are scheduled to be heard.

2) Has the respondent filed a response? (Please make copy available)

3) Has a formal complaint been filed with the AUSA (DOJ) (Please make copy available)

4) Are communications taking place with the "official" campaign? If not why not? If so who is your contact?

When will we be able to see documents?

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face in marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

When they are launching rocket they are forced to write down every thing that could go wrong. That book is bigger than bible.... and they still do it. They still launch the rocket.

We could lose this case, GOP could find a name of every Ron Paul delegate, Lawyer could oversleep and miss court day, someone might sabotage entire case....................................................... and list goes on and on and on.

It doesnt matter. If this is the right thing to do then it is right thing to do. It doesnt matter what the odds are or what could happen. There will be mistakes, there will be disagreements, there will be things that you or I would done differently, we will disagree on approach and on personal characters of people involved (I dont like vegetarians)... There are no insurances.

 

[No1butPaul]

There are no insurances.

The only thing that is assured is, Ron Paul does not have a shot at the nomination without this.

Did anyone asked about:
1) I'd like to know when the motions are scheduled to be heard. - He said the judge would decide, but before the convention. That's why he filed it as an injunction, b/c it gives it priority to be heard quickly.

2) Has the respondent filed a response? (Please make copy available) - Didn't hear that asked.

3) Has a formal complaint been filed with the AUSA (DOJ) (Please make copy available) - I know there has been contact w/the DOJ, but didn't hear this brought up.

4) Are communications taking place with the "official" campaign? If not why not? If so who is your contact? He said he was in contact "at the highest levels."

When will we be able to see documents?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Yes. Google. There is ton of information about him. (Also when you do that be careful : Richard C. Gilbert and Richard E. Gilbert are not same lawyer!!!)


I am willing to bet you a beer (or 10,000 dollars) he is truly on our side... Frankly I put people who are pushing "he is working for Romney" into irrational category. Attorney-client privilege, confidentiality and plenty of other stuff that I dont want to repeat...


Did anyone asked about:
1) I'd like to know when the motions are scheduled to be heard.

2) Has the respondent filed a response? (Please make copy available)

3) Has a formal complaint been filed with the AUSA (DOJ) (Please make copy available)

4) Are communications taking place with the "official" campaign? If not why not? If so who is your contact?

When will we be able to see documents?

When they are launching rocket they are forced to write down every thing that could go wrong. That book is bigger than bible.... and they still do it. They still launch the rocket.

We could lose this case, GOP could find a name of every Ron Paul delegate, Lawyer could oversleep and miss court day, someone might sabotage entire case....................................................... and list goes on and on and on.

It doesnt matter. If this is the right thing to do then it is right thing to do. It doesnt matter what the odds are or what could happen. There will be mistakes, there will be disagreements, there will be things that you or I would done differently, we will disagree on approach and on personal characters of people involved (I dont like vegetarians)... There are no insurances.

Ah, but Barrex, Ron Paul has done his thing the right way all of his life, he's been spit on, ridiculed, ignored, unacknowleged and any other negative thing you can think of.

For him to be able to go into the convention on his own two feet with his delegates from 5 states and be nominted from the floor and give his unedited speach with his words and convince those delegates that are against him that he really represents them, them and us and the whole world. What an accomplishment.

Do we think that we cannot get the 5 states? Is that not possible at this point? No lawsuits muddying the water?

 

[No1butPaul]

Do we think that we cannot get the 5 states? Is that not possible at this point? No lawsuits muddying the water?

It seems to me, they will not let us get 5, no matter what they have to do. I mean, apparently they can choose not to seat entire delegations if they want. There is so much big money behind the Romney campaign, they will do whatever it takes, criminal or not. This case will have the force of federal law and protect our delegates. I get what you are saying ... it sounds wonderful, but I would bet ($10,000) they would never let it happen.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

It seems to me, they will not let us get 5, no matter what they have to do. I mean, apparently they can choose not to seat entire delegations if they want. There is so much big money behind the Romney campaign, they will do whatever it takes, criminal or not. This case will have the force of federal law and protect our delegates. I get what you are saying ... it sounds wonderful, but I would bet ($10,000) they would never let it happen.

Has it really come down this? Is everything really that corrupt? I know the answer...

 

[Barrex]

Ah, but Barrex, Ron Paul has done his thing the right way all of his life, he's been spit on, ridiculed, ignored, unacknowleged and any other negative thing you can think of.

For him to be able to go into the convention on his own two feet with his delegates from 5 states and be nominted from the floor and give his unedited speach with his words and convince those delegates that are against him that he really represents them, them and us and the whole world. What an accomplishment.

Do we think that we cannot get the 5 states? Is that not possible at this point? No lawsuits muddying the water?

I think that even without lawsuit he would have 5 states. More than possible. Lawsuit makes this more likely and exposing evil for what it is. I really hoped to see those documents (especially number 3)

Point being: this lawsuit is the right thing to do and should be done regardless of things that could go wrong.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I think that even without lawsuit he would have 5 states. More than possible. Lawsuit makes this more likely and exposing evil for what it is. I really hoped to see those documents (especially number 3)

Point being: this lawsuit is the right thing to do and should be done regardless of things that could go wrong.

But if he has 5 states, then why not prosecute the fraud, which will occur after the convention?

This only gives the MSM more to accuse Ron of. They are already trying to get him to support or condem the suit. They are trying to get him to turn on us or join with us in the suit.

In 2008, Ron said that it was up to us. He was only running because we were showing we were ready for his message. He doesn't want to use force, not on us, them, the RNC or anyone. That is his message.

 

[notsure]

Has the recording been posted yet?

 

[WhistlinDave]

I don't think we will have the 5 states without this lawsuit.

I'm not 100% comfortable with everything the lawyer is saying, but overall I think this is a really good thing and all I can do is trust he knows what he's doing. I like most of what he says. And I do think this is the only chance of getting Ron Paul the nomination at this point.

Regarding any concerns that this could be someone working to benefit Romney and hurt the Liberty movement long term, I don't think that's possible. This case is going to enter into public record literally hundreds of affidavits & video proving all the election fraud. There are much easier ways to disenfranchise the Liberty movement and change rules in the future than to shine a spotlight on all that muck in Federal court. To me, the idea this isn't genuine is just absolutely ridiculous. No one in their right mind would put all that evidence in front of a Federal court if they were on Romney's side.

That's like someone cutting off their own arms in order to hurt their enemy. Even if you accomplished your goal, now you have no arms. Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I don't think we will have the 5 states without this lawsuit.

I'm not 100% comfortable with everything the lawyer is saying, but overall I think this is a really good thing and all I can do is trust he knows what he's doing. I like most of what he says. And I do think this is the only chance of getting Ron Paul the nomination at this point.

Regarding any concerns that this could be someone working to benefit Romney and hurt the Liberty movement long term, I don't think that's possible. This case is going to enter into public record literally hundreds of affidavits & video proving all the election fraud. There are much easier ways to disenfranchise the Liberty movement and change rules in the future than to shine a spotlight on all that muck in Federal court. To me, the idea this isn't genuine is just absolutely ridiculous. No one in their right mind would put all that evidence in front of a Federal court if they were on Romney's side.

That's like someone cutting off their own arms in order to hurt their enemy. Even if you accomplished your goal, now you have no arms. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Unless your enemy is the Republican Party.

 

[WhistlinDave]

But if he has 5 states, then why not prosecute the fraud, which will occur after the convention?

Because we still need as many delegates as we can get to be able to vote however they want, or it's over before it begins. (Plus I don't think we would have 5 states without this lawsuit.)

This only gives the MSM more to accuse Ron of. They are already trying to get him to support or condem the suit. They are trying to get him to turn on us or join with us in the suit.

In 2008, Ron said that it was up to us. He was only running because we were showing we were ready for his message. He doesn't want to use force, not on us, them, the RNC or anyone. That is his message.

Notice though, Ron did not support the suit, nor did he condemn it. He basically said, "I'm not a party to it, but if my supporters have a valid complaint, then they should pursue it." This way no one can blame him for it, but he can still benefit from it. The delegates are the ones who brought the suit to enforce their own rights. It's the best of both worlds. (Just my opinion.)

 

[Barrex]

But if he has 5 states, then why not prosecute the fraud, which will occur after the convention?

This only gives the MSM more to accuse Ron of. They are already trying to get him to support or condem the suit. They are trying to get him to turn on us or join with us in the suit.

In 2008, Ron said that it was up to us. He was only running because we were showing we were ready for his message. He doesn't want to use force, not on us, them, the RNC or anyone. That is his message.

LFRP are doing what they can:

3) Has a formal complaint been filed with the AUSA (DOJ) (Please make copy available) - I know there has been contact w/the DOJ, but didn't hear this brought up.

They did all they could do: file a complaint for fraud and organized crime (fomr what I heard).

Rest is on government eek

Civil law: this lawsuit, dispute between 2 private parties delegates vs GOP
Criminal law: RICO, public prosecutors(how do you call him in US?), police etc.

LFRP can not go in court and lead RICO lawsuit. They did what they could: they openly said Rimneys criminal organization, election fraud etc.
That is why I am so eager to see documents

 

[No1butPaul]

He doesn't want to use force, not on us, them, the RNC or anyone. That is his message.

He doesn't want his delegates to be forced...he wants them to be able to vote their conscience...he has always said that.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Notice though, Ron did not support the suit, nor did he condemn it. He basically said, "I'm not a party to it, but if my supporters have a valid complaint, then they should pursue it." This way no one can blame him for it, but he can still benefit from it. The delegates are the ones who brought the suit to enforce their own rights. It's the best of both worlds. (Just my opinion.)

I dont' think Ron plays those games. He said, "If they asked me, I'd tell them don't do it". But he's not going to "force" us even with his words (because they have power) not to do it.

edit: When Ron is talking, he's not talking to Fox or CNN, he's talking to you.