TYT Cenk on Israel offensive

[amy31416]

I definitely don't know as much as should about the Middle East conflicts.

The bolded is obviously wrong. If you win a war, that is your land. If your land gets attacked, you can fight back aggressively.

Most of the borders of the world are drawn up through military conflicts and settlements. You may not accept this as true. You don't need to be a condescending bitch for something that 99.999% of the rest of the world accepts that as true.

International law--it is illegal. Though I will concede that something being illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen--I do find it quite unethical though.

And you're right, I don't need to be such a condescending bitch sometimes. Sometimes....

 

[UWDude]

This is 2012, not 1953. Israel won the land. Period. If they get attacked, they have every moral right to hit back as hard as they want.

I'm not even a fan of Israel. But if the Arabs would stop attacking there wouldn't be a problem. Israel isn't the aggressor. Just because their existence is an inconvenience doesn't mean they don't have a right to exist. They should stand up for themselves.

Sweet. remind me of this quote when the great proletariat rises and takes the land from the gentry.
We have Misean's blessing to take land by force.

I disagree. The only right one has to a piece of land is having the power to take and hold it.

OMG, is this the same dude that was giving me grief for not respecting business owners property because I am pro-union?
Do you have any idea how hypocritical it is to say property ownership is only based on the ability to be able to hold it?
LoL
I can't believe the inane justifications people will come up with to defend their neo-knights templars.


Are you two listening to yourselves?

ROTFLMAO!

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I know it's unpopular here, but I side with Israel in these disputes. That's Israel's land.

Lol.

I definitely don't know as much as should about the Middle East conflicts.

The bolded is obviously wrong. If you win a war, that is your land.

Ah, might makes right. Greed is good. Covet your neighbor's ass, kill your neighbor. All so biblical.

Can't we all just get along?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Cenk hits most of the major points. What is blowback, other than revenge? One act leads to the next, ad infinitum.

All that being said, the people firing rockets are a-holes of the highest order. They fire at innocents, hoping for disproportionate retribution that will no doubt effect more innocents, so that they can gain some small measure of a political advantage. And people with this mindset exist on all sides.

 

[amy31416]

Ah, might makes right. Greed is good. Covet your neighbor's ass, kill your neighbor. All so biblical.

Can't we all just get along?

Remember how Ron Paul was booed for bringing up the Golden Rule? Shit--that may have been some of our own people doing that.

**sigh**

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Remember how Ron Paul was booed for bringing up the Golden Rule? Shit--that may have been some of our own people doing that.

**sigh**

Agree, double sigh. :o

 

[amy31416]

Cenk hits most of the major points. What is blowback, other than revenge? One act leads to the next, ad infinitum.

All that being said, the people firing rockets are a-holes of the highest order. They fire at innocents, hoping for disproportionate retribution that will no doubt effect more innocents, so that they can gain some small measure of a political advantage. And people with this mindset exist on all sides.

All I can say in regards to this is that it's virtually impossible for them to aim rockets at military targets--doesn't make it right. Obviously. Now, more than ever--they need to take the high ground and go for an all-out media campaign to expose Israeli crimes (and the IDF DOES target innocent people, with regularity) and keep pushing for UN recognition (even though I think the UN sucks.) I just don't see any other way out of this mess for them.

No more rockets. Get the help of "organizations" like Anonymous, groups well-versed with successful peaceful resistance, try to make their homes resistant to mortar shelling and tell their stories--and plaster it all over the internet. Put the story of their children, wives, husbands and grandparents out there--saturate the market with it.

The unfortunate part is that so many are shellshocked by what Israel has done that they shut that part of their lives out.

 

[SewrRatt]

Cenk hits most of the major points. What is blowback, other than revenge? One act leads to the next, ad infinitum.

All that being said, the people firing rockets are a-holes of the highest order. They fire at innocents, hoping for disproportionate retribution that will no doubt effect more innocents, so that they can gain some small measure of a political advantage. And people with this mindset exist on all sides.

People in Gaza don't have the technology to launch targeted rockets. They don't fire "at" anything in particular, other than Israeli-occupied land. They don't care about collateral damage, and that's abhorrent. Israel and the US don't care about collateral damage either, they just happen to have technology that can be targeted. They still manage to kill innocent people all the time.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

People in Gaza don't have the technology to launch targeted rockets. They don't fire "at" anything in particular, other than Israeli-occupied land. They don't care about collateral damage, and that's abhorrent. Israel and the US don't care about collateral damage either, they just happen to have technology that can be targeted. They still manage to kill innocent people all the time.

Agree, there is very little difference between targeted and non-targeted when innocents end up getting killed either way.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

All I can say in regards to this is that it's virtually impossible for them to aim rockets at military targets--doesn't make it right. Obviously. Now, more than ever--they need to take the high ground and go for an all-out media campaign to expose Israeli crimes (and the IDF DOES target innocent people, with regularity) and keep pushing for UN recognition (even though I think the UN sucks.) I just don't see any other way out of this mess for them.

No more rockets. Get the help of "organizations" like Anonymous, groups well-versed with successful peaceful resistance, try to make their homes resistant to mortar shelling and tell their stories--and plaster it all over the internet. Put the story of their children, wives, husbands and grandparents out there--saturate the market with it.

The unfortunate part is that so many are shellshocked by what Israel has done that they shut that part of their lives out.

Agree.

And the people who fire rockets don't give a damn what happens.

 

[UWDude]

This really started with the assassination of the hamas leader, who incidentally, was tasked with enforcing Israel's wishes upon the Palestinians.
When I read that the rocket that killed 3 Israelis in the retaliation was Iranian made, I knew what was up.

This obviously is no random conflagration. Now I am starting to believe those who say the big Petreaus purge is about them refusing to go to war with Iran (which I did not believe before, because I figured Petereaus was just as war happy as any of them).

 

[Muwahid]

This is 2012, not 1953. Israel won the land. Period. If they get attacked, they have every moral right to hit back as hard as they want.

I'm not even a fan of Israel. But if the Arabs would stop attacking there wouldn't be a problem. Israel isn't the aggressor. Just because their existence is an inconvenience doesn't mean they don't have a right to exist. They should stand up for themselves.

According to who they won? They stole the land then armistice lines were drawn for borders -- they then illegally occupied land in 1963 on top of what they originally stole from the Palestinians, yes illegal even according to the United Nations. Why the hell does Israel hold land in Syria? The Golan heights, why did they take the west bank, and the Gaza strip?

There are millions of displaced Palestinians

Israel continues to treat them as prisoners. I wish I could show you the real plight of the Palestinians. It's like this, if you live in whatever shitty Palestinian territory Israel allows you to live in, you likely don't have running water or clean running water that's only for the Jewish settlements, if you want to go to the town next over you have to go through armed checkpoints just because you're palestinian, because the Palestinian territories are set up like an archipelago, between villages are checkpoints which you get harassed at daily, oh and if Israel wants, it can just take your home. They can just move in, order you out, demolish your home which has probably been in your family for generations, and build a Jewish settlement on it.

What happens if tension is high? Be prepared for indiscriminate bombings, while the rest of the bloodthirsty world CHEERS.

Israel won? Israel's justified? I dare you to see how the Palestinians really live before you make such bold accusations. The Arabs will continue to fight them, as it's their land.

 

[puppetmaster]

Sweet. remind me of this quote when the great proletariat rises and takes the land from the gentry.
We have Misean's blessing to take land by force.



OMG, is this the same dude that was giving me grief for not respecting business owners property because I am pro-union?
Do you have any idea how hypocritical it is to say property ownership is only based on the ability to be able to hold it?
LoL
I can't believe the inane justifications people will come up with to defend their neo-knights templars.


Are you two listening to yourselves?

ROTFLMAO!

funny shit....hey misean and specs, i need a second home....where you live?

 

[idiom]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both terrorism.

If you are slaughtering civilians at random to coax change that terror.

Incidentally attacks on the USS Cole and military facilities are not terrorism, but assymetric guerilla warfare.

1972, Munich, Terror, what Hamas is doing now? Just bad aim. The V2's were 'terror' weapons but they fit the definition of just bloody scary weapons rather than terrorism. Its a meat grinder of attrition. Its hard to imagine either party doing anything to scare the other side into capitulating.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

More atypical behavior from the rogue, racist, non-democratic state of "Israel."

Truman may have doomed us all by signing this piece of shit into existence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

What has made this the main factor is Germany has given Israel 5 Dolphin class submarines. This now gives Israel mobile second strike capabilities against any country in the world with nuclear weapons. Launch capabilities are stealth nuclear tipped cruise missiles.

Der Spiegel article for those wanting citations on this forum.
http://www.spiegel.de/international...ar-weapons-on-german-submarines-a-836671.html

 

[amy31416]

This really started with the assassination of the hamas leader, who incidentally, was tasked with enforcing Israel's wishes upon the Palestinians.
When I read that the rocket that killed 3 Israelis in the retaliation was Iranian made, I knew what was up.

This obviously is no random conflagration. Now I am starting to believe those who say the big Petreaus purge is about them refusing to go to war with Iran (which I did not believe before, because I figured Petereaus was just as war happy as any of them).

Can you provide links? Not saying I don't believe you, but I like to check these things for myself and what I've read so far does not match up.

 

[Danke]

OMG, is this the same dude that was giving me grief for not respecting business owners property because I am pro-union?
Do you have any idea how hypocritical it is to say property ownership is only based on the ability to be able to hold it?
LoL
I can't believe the inane justifications people will come up with to defend their neo-knights templars.


Are you two listening to yourselves?

ROTFLMAO!

I think Specs is just pointing out a fact.

 

[UWDude]

Can you provide links? Not saying I don't believe you, but I like to check these things for myself and what I've read so far does not match up.

I can't. Sorry. Funnily, I find it amusing i come away with these impressions, because I am pretty sure that is what the media wants.

Most stories mention the use of Iranian made Fajr missiles. So the reader comes away with two nations in their head: Israel and Iran.

 

[amy31416]

I can't. Sorry. Funnily, I find it amusing i come away with these impressions, because I am pretty sure that is what the media wants.

Most stories mention the use of Iranian made Fajr missiles. So the reader comes away with two nations in their head: Israel and Iran.

Gotcha.

 

[pcosmar]

on Israel offensive

Israel has been offensive since it was conceived.