TYT Cenk on Israel offensive

[PaulConventionWV]

I know it's unpopular here, but I side with Israel in these disputes. That's Israel's land. They continually get attacked by racists. Israel isn't the instigator. If people stopped blowing themselves up and attacking Israel, there would be no retaliation. Does anyone really believe that Israel is going out of its way to take over the Middle East?

That said, I really don't want the US entangling in these conflicts.

"if people would stop blowing themselves up..."

As if it were that simple. Unbelievable.

 

[Jamesiv1]

"To understand the Middle East conflict and especially what's going on in Israel, you must understand that it is a blood-feud between two brothers that goes back 5000 years"
-- Billy Graham

 

[pcosmar]

"To understand the Middle East conflict and especially what's going on in Israel, you must understand that it is a blood-feud between two brothers that goes back 5000 years"
-- Billy Graham

That might me true if Zionists were related to Abraham.
They are NOT for the most part.

Khazars are not related. (they are decedents of Japheth) And many true Jews reject Zionism outright and oppose the State of Israel and it's policies.

There is a conflict between God and Satan though.

 

[Brett85]

I can't understand how someone is so offended by a "fuck you" when they are totally okay with killing innocent people.

What evidence do you have that they killed innocent people on purpose? What exactly is Israel supposed to do when Hamas starts firing rockets at them? Just sit back and take it and allow their citizens to be killed?

 

[Brett85]

I wont make mine general though, you have to be an Islamaphobe to not see the injustices of Israel.

I'm not an Islamaphobe, but I'm also not anti Israel. Hating Israel is not part of supporting a non interventionist foreign policy. I support closing down all of our foreign bases, ending all foreign aid, opposing pre-emptive war, etc. But I also support the right of Israel to defend itself.

 

[pcosmar]

But I also support the right of Israel to defend itself.

What "right" did they have when they were blowing up hotels?

This started long before WWII,, long before the Nazi party was invented.

Zionists were using terrorism to get their way from the start. right up to their demands for a state and continuing since.

 

[tod evans]

Do ya'll realize that you're debating skirmishes in another country that our country shouldn't be involved with?

It doesn't matter one whit to me who's right or who's wrong, what matters to me is why in the hell is our military involved with no declaration of war.

This bullshit is being force fed to TV viewers as relevant to the US because of our "interests"....Yeah right!

Oil is our interest and if war is necessary to secure our interest in oil then for Gods sake declare war, state the objectives and get on with it.

Otherwise our military needs to come home and leave `em be.

 

[pcosmar]

Otherwise our military needs to come home and leave `em be.

That would be my first wish,,
That was one of the reasons I supported Ron Paul,, because he would have gotten us out of it.

That area is headed for a Cataclysmic War, and the Zionists are the main push behind it.
They will drag the whole world into it.

Sad and unfortunate on many levels..
I will oppose it, though there seems no way to avoid it.

I certainly will not support it nor the evil fucks that are pushing it.

 

[Muwahid]

What evidence do you have that they killed innocent people on purpose? What exactly is Israel supposed to do when Hamas starts firing rockets at them? Just sit back and take it and allow their citizens to be killed?

What was Israel supposed to do he threw a rock at an armored vehicle

 

[Brian4Liberty]

What was Israel supposed to do he threw a rock at an armored vehicle

Out of all of the outrages that occur, that's a pretty lame attempt at generating an emotional reaction. People are dying. People are being beaten. People's homes are being stolen or destroyed. People are being unfairly imprisoned. That picture looks like a teenager getting a time out for being a bad boy.

 

[Brett85]

I understand that Israel has made mistakes in the past and hasn't always been right in what they've done. However, if you're going to criticize Israel for some of the things they've done, I don't see why you wouldn't also criticize Hamas for launching rockets into civilian areas of Israel. I haven't heard anyone condemn Hamas for killing innocent children in Israel. Again, I have to wonder what hatred for Israel has to do with supporting a non interventionist foreign policy.

 

[amy31416]

What evidence do you have that they killed innocent people on purpose? What exactly is Israel supposed to do when Hamas starts firing rockets at them? Just sit back and take it and allow their citizens to be killed?

1. http://www.haaretz.com/news/goldstone-israel-intentionally-targeted-gaza-civilian-sites-1.6956

2. Israel should not intentionally goad Hamas into firing rockets. There were plenty of articles posted here on how Israel broke the cease-fire that caused Hamas to fire again, and led to Cast Lead. And if you're following this thread, I posted an article with plenty of evidence on how Israel broke the truce with Hamas again--which led to this outbreak of violence.

You buy into the narrative that Palestinians are basically evil monkeys flinging poo just because they can. You really don't think that there's something else to the story?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I understand that Israel has made mistakes in the past and hasn't always been right in what they've done. However, if you're going to criticize Israel for some of the things they've done, I don't see why you wouldn't also criticize Hamas for launching rockets into civilian areas of Israel. I haven't heard anyone condemn Hamas for killing innocent children in Israel. Again, I have to wonder what hatred for Israel has to do with supporting a non interventionist foreign policy.

Earlier in this thread, criticism of those firing rockets:

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All that being said, the people firing rockets are a-holes of the highest order. They fire at innocents, hoping for disproportionate retribution that will no doubt effect more innocents, so that they can gain some small measure of a political advantage. And people with this mindset exist on all sides.

All I can say in regards to this is that it's virtually impossible for them to aim rockets at military targets--doesn't make it right. Obviously. Now, more than ever--they need to take the high ground and go for an all-out media campaign to expose Israeli crimes (and the IDF DOES target innocent people, with regularity) and keep pushing for UN recognition (even though I think the UN sucks.) I just don't see any other way out of this mess for them.

No more rockets. ...

 

[Brett85]

Earlier in this thread, criticism of those firing rockets:

Ok, point taken. I didn't read through the entire thread.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

There are no lenses of perspective more distorted than those trained on Israel/Palestine. As far as I am concerned, partisans on both sides of this thing are blinded by prejudgement. The hard-core Palestine haters annoy me just as much as the hard-core Israel haters. The situation there now is so bent out of shape and distorted it's impossible for any one person to know the whole truth.

End all foreign aid, end all foreign involvement, and allow the American people to freely give of their own money in aid to the side they like. Stop acting like we have the authority to dictate what happens in the region, and it will in all probability work it's own way out soon enough without our involvement.

 

[presence]

I know it's unpopular here, but I side with Israel in these disputes. That's Israel's land. They continually get attacked by racists. Israel isn't the instigator. If people stopped blowing themselves up and attacking Israel, there would be no retaliation. Does anyone really believe that Israel is going out of its way to take over the Middle East?

Gaza was NOT Israel's land prior to 1946, in 1947, in 1967, or now. It is illegally occupied territory with multiple UN resolutions asserting so.

http://documentaryheaven.com/check-point/
http://documentaryheaven.com/palesti...ill-the-issue/
http://documentaryheaven.com/the-iron-wall/
http://documentaryheaven.com/occupation-101/
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/peace...promised-land/
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/tears-of-gaza/
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/reneg...wish-settlers/
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/zionist-story/

 

[Meatwasp]

There are no lenses of perspective more distorted than those trained on Israel/Palestine. As far as I am concerned, partisans on both sides of this thing are blinded by prejudgement. The hard-core Palestine haters annoy me just as much as the hard-core Israel haters. The situation there now is so bent out of shape and distorted it's impossible for any one person to know the whole truth.

End all foreign aid, end all foreign involvement, and allow the American people to freely give of their own money in aid to the side they like. Stop acting like we have the authority to dictate what happens in the region, and it will in all probability work it's own way out soon enough without our involvement.

I throughly agree with your statement Gunny.

 

[klamath]

There are no lenses of perspective more distorted than those trained on Israel/Palestine. As far as I am concerned, partisans on both sides of this thing are blinded by prejudgement. The hard-core Palestine haters annoy me just as much as the hard-core Israel haters. The situation there now is so bent out of shape and distorted it's impossible for any one person to know the whole truth.

End all foreign aid, end all foreign involvement, and allow the American people to freely give of their own money in aid to the side they like. Stop acting like we have the authority to dictate what happens in the region, and it will in all probability work it's own way out soon enough without our involvement.

Dang Gunny I have to stop agreeing with you one of this days. Why we even debating what the HELL those countries are doing. Our only debate should be getting our country OUT!

 

[Brett85]

Dang Gunny I have to stop agreeing with you one of this days. Why we even debating what the HELL those countries are doing. Our only debate should be getting our country OUT!

We have troops in Israel?

 

[pcosmar]

Again, I have to wonder what hatred for Israel has to do with supporting a non interventionist foreign policy.

I would love to have a non-interventionist Foreign Policy.
The Fact is,, we do not. We are in fact deeply involved,, up to our necks in it. It does affect me..

And as a Christian believer I find that supporting and advancing Satan's agenda is abhorrent.

I do see the Zionists as an invading and occupying force,, with full backing and collusion of the US and UN.

It is the Palestinians that are on the defensive.
Fighting an enemy that has them outgunned, outnumbered and has all the financing of the Rothschild Empire.

I don't want to support it,,, not at all and on several levels.