Trump’s “Day One” Dictatorship

[PAF]

The thing is if a white person wants to live around others of his kind or prefers diversity, I don't care either way. But the woke people crying wolf and calling everything racist to kill genuine discussion is why we are where we are. Discuss the merits of ones opinions, but knock of the labeling. And I hope everyone finds peace where they live.



I'm not a cheerleader. Them's fightin' words lol. It's probably the main reason why I'm responding to you, but I wasn't going to acknowledge Invisy making that dumbass remark. I like discussing the merits or lack of merits in an argument. We know your beliefs, and I don't care. I respect honesty. I respected Juleswin having the balls to use Che Guevara for an avatar on this forum. I would have had respect for Zippy if he had a Hillary avatar rather than pretending to be a freedom fighter. We don't need to name call. I don't bring up Invisible's sect of Christianity everytime he posts. I don't care. What difference does a label mean? A label's sole purpose is to end a discussion. And that's why things are so F---ed right now. No one speaks their mind these days. I find that behavior especially disgusting on this forum.

I respect that you're friends. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but for me personally, when a person misrepresents what another man says and believes, continually and tactically rather than an occasional slip in a passionate argument, I can't help but wonder what else they are purposefully misrepresenting.

That all said, on a personal front, I am kicking an addiction. Nothing serious, but the check valve on my sarcasm has been out the window in the last week or so since I quit. Unfortunately, I am having way too much fun being a complete jackass right now. Usually, I like to point out an inconsistency and leave it at that rather than jumping in. Although I am staying within the rules of the forum, I have blown through my own personal set of rules for etiquette. After tonight, I'm going to step away from the internet for a while. I wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving weekend.

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] is a friend, and he knows that I would never let his house burn. As for why I made the statement in the first place, that's how strongly I feel about individualism and property rights.

I wish you sincere luck in kicking the addiction. I know how rough that can. Years ago I quit smoking for 4 years, I saved a lot of money and felt really great. Then one fun night I lit up "only one" while having a drink with somebody, and then all bets were off. Bad habit I know, but I never should have had that "one". So once again, good luck, and keep busy doing other things - that will help.

Oh, and if there are any inconsistencies in what I say, I actually like when they are pointed out. Either I need to reevaluate, or provide more clarification on my hard stance. I'm not a spring chicken, I am very grounded, and it takes solid logic to change my positions ;-)

 

[69360]

I am ok with bringing the troops home and using them to control the border. I actually really like the idea, and think in a practical sense it would work.

I don't like the idea of using the military to round up the illegals. Yes we should round up the ones with a criminal record in their home country or the ones who commit crimes here and deport them. The rest it's just not practical. I'd rather see an amnesty period where a green card is issued to anyone who wants one. After that period, anyone who is still undocumented can be deported.

As far as a day one dictator goes, I think because the left hates Trump so much he just might have to do recess appointments to get his cabinet. Nornally I wouldn't be for it, but times are strange. It might be the only way to have a cabinet.

 

[PAF]

I am ok with bringing the troops home and using them to control the border. I actually really like the idea, and think in a practical sense it would work.

I don't like the idea of using the military to round up the illegals. Yes we should round up the ones with a criminal record in their home country or the ones who commit crimes here and deport them. The rest it's just not practical. I'd rather see an amnesty period where a green card is issued to anyone who wants one. After that period, anyone who is still undocumented can be deported.

Anything can "sound good" in theory. What if the person is considered a criminal because he/she used self-defense and was wrongly convicted? What if they are considered a criminal because their government is far too restrictive and deems anything outside of corrupt government mandates criminal? Why should a person be considered a criminal just because they don't want to be branded by government [processed and documented], but simply be left alone and off the grid?

Cut the incentives and military would not need to be used. For the minimal circumstances of actual crime, local leo should be able to handle the situation.

Too many blankets, which I do not agree with. If a crime has been committed against person or property, he/she deserves their day in court in front of a jury, regardless of where they happened to be born. Unless an actual crime has been committed against person/property and they are found guilty by a jury, humans beings [should] have a right to travel freely without intrusion of any politician/government. Otherwise, we could all end up in the same situation where we are found guilty with the key thrown away before proven innocent - just because government wrote some stupid "law".


One other example: how does it feel not to be allowed to "secede", if one [or a community or a state] chooses that it wants to? Does government know best and you should have "faith and trust" in it?

 

[69360]

Anything can "sound good" in theory. What if the person is considered a criminal because he/she used self-defense and was wrongly convicted? What if they are considered a criminal because their government is far too restrictive and deems anything outside of corrupt government mandates criminal? Why should a person be considered a criminal just because they don't want to be branded by government [processed and documented], but simply be left alone and off the grid?

Cut the incentives and military would not need to be used. For the minimal circumstances of actual crime, local leo should be able to handle the situation.

Too many blankets, which I do not agree with. If a crime has been committed against person or property, he/she deserves their day in court in front of a jury, regardless of where they happened to be born. Unless an actual crime has been committed against person/property and they are found guilty by a jury, humans beings [should] have a right to travel freely without intrusion of any politician/government. Otherwise, we could all end up in the same situation where we are found guilty with the key thrown away before proven innocent - just because government wrote some stupid "law".


One other example: how does it feel not to be allowed to "secede", if one [or a community or a state] chooses that it wants to? Does government know best and you should have "faith and trust" in it?

The ones with a criminal background can go back where they came from and sort their situation out there. I honestly don't care about why they have a criminal history. I also have no problem with deporting an illegal who breaks our laws.

What Trump wants to do is impractical. There is no reasonable way to deport over 10 million people. I think it's better to just have an amnesty period for the ones with no criminal history other than the illegal border crossing. Then going forward, actually control the border.

 

[asurfaholic]

The ones with a criminal background can go back where they came from and sort their situation out there. I honestly don't care about why they have a criminal history. I also have no problem with deporting an illegal who breaks our laws.

What Trump wants to do is impractical. There is no reasonable way to deport over 10 million people. I think it's better to just have an amnesty period for the ones with no criminal history other than the illegal border crossing. Then going forward, actually control the border.

With our welfare state, no thank you. I’ll take the temporary hit to watch as many as possible of the people who entered illegally be deported, and if that takes “hunting” them down then that’s what it takes. I guarantee you that most other countries would do the same if they have any sense. But I want lower taxes and to rid this country of parasites.

Anyways, Trump is surrounding himself who show that nothing is impractical or impossible when you have the right people for the job. Elon musk is a prime example. Who would have thought we would be watching a private company launch and catch rockets?

I don’t believe deporting 10 million people would be easy or even perfectly peaceful, but laws were broken. And while I’m talking about it, the people who allowed this to happen should also be held responsible, but that seems like more of a pipe dream than a successful deportation of the majority of illegals.

 

[ProBlue33]

I think a hybrid application should be used, no troops in around towns and cities but within a 1 mile buffer of the border where nobody really lives ok, the regular border patrol can redeploy more forces to areas that actually have people living nearby, they split the job.
As for deportation, keep the military right out of it within our cities, offer all the people losing jobs that will be cut from federal government, transfer all those new IRS collectors they hired. Tax collection can take back seat these next 4 years. Get the police to focus on criminals that are illegals, hire more ICE guys.
Militarizing cities is very bad idea, I have outlined how it can be done another way.

 

[TheTexan]

Tell the illegals to leave and those who are still caught here get a foot chopped off and then deported.

Then see how many stick around.

 

[69360]

With our welfare state, no thank you. I’ll take the temporary hit to watch as many as possible of the people who entered illegally be deported, and if that takes “hunting” them down then that’s what it takes. I guarantee you that most other countries would do the same if they have any sense. But I want lower taxes and to rid this country of parasites.

Anyways, Trump is surrounding himself who show that nothing is impractical or impossible when you have the right people for the job. Elon musk is a prime example. Who would have thought we would be watching a private company launch and catch rockets?

I don’t believe deporting 10 million people would be easy or even perfectly peaceful, but laws were broken. And while I’m talking about it, the people who allowed this to happen should also be held responsible, but that seems like more of a pipe dream than a successful deportation of the majority of illegals.

The illegals should get no welfare at all, even if there was an amnesty, until they become citizens. The ones who want to work will, those who don't can go back.

I think a hybrid application should be used, no troops in around towns and cities but within a 1 mile buffer of the border where nobody really lives ok, the regular border patrol can redeploy more forces to areas that actually have people living nearby, they split the job.
As for deportation, keep the military right out of it within our cities, offer all the people losing jobs that will be cut from federal government, transfer all those new IRS collectors they hired. Tax collection can take back seat these next 4 years. Get the police to focus on criminals that are illegals, hire more ICE guys.
Militarizing cities is very bad idea, I have outlined how it can be done another way.

Troops within a few miles of the border is fine. If all the ones overseas were recalled, we have the troop strength to do the job correctly.