The Next National Emergency - Housing

[nikcers]

High home prices and high taxes are basically the only way for a state to force people to leave because states don't have the sovereignty to deport people.

It worked for California for decades the weather is perfect there and if they had low priced housing and plenty of jobs and economic opportunitys and low taxes 100s of millions of people would move to California if the borders were left open.

Millions and millions of people leave California because it costs a lot to live there. Its called self deportation.

There will never be affordable, low cost housing with an open border for that reason.

Not in a place where billions of people would love to live there if they could.

 

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[Brian4Liberty]

High home prices and high taxes are basically the only way for a state to force people to leave because states don't have the sovereignty to deport people.

It worked for California for decades the weather is perfect there and if they had low priced housing and plenty of jobs and economic opportunitys and low taxes 100s of millions of people would move to California if the borders were left open.

Millions and millions of people leave California because it costs a lot to live there. Its called self deportation.

There will never be affordable, low cost housing with an open border for that reason.

Not in a place where billions of people would love to live there if they could.

Sorry, there is a vast difference between highly priced communities and California as a whole. That's like saying the entire state of New York is the same as New York City.

And recent immigrants from south of the border are not leaving California. It's the white liberals whose politics have destroyed the state who leave because of high costs, overcrowding and crime.

 

[nikcers]

Sorry, there is a vast difference between highly priced communities and California as a whole. That's like saying the entire state of New York is the same as New York City.

And recent immigrants from south of the border are not leaving California. It's the white liberals whose politics have destroyed the state who leave because of high costs, overcrowding and crime.

No there is definitely a ceiling due to costs and artificial limits on the supply of housing.

These policies were intentional in order to limit immigration.

It hasn't entirely eliminated it but if housing were tripled then the amount of people living there would be tripled.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

No there is definitely a ceiling due to costs and artificial limits on the supply of housing.

These policies were intentional in order to limit immigration.

It hasn't entirely eliminated it but if housing were tripled then the amount of people living there would be tripled.

LOL. Put down the crack pipe.

 

[nikcers]

LOL. Put down the crack pipe.

Lol no I live in one of the cities where many people from California have moved to in the last 30 years.

It's definitely not just white people leaving California if it were my city would have a lot more white people.

Pricing though is a strategy of keeping poorer people from moving into your neighborhood.

This is not some big secret- the new mayor of New York says he is going to pay for his new socialism programs by "taxing white neighborhoods"

Im not the one person saying this is manufactured as well.

So its not a crackhead theory.

The former governor of California says it is a manufactured crisis.

 

[acptulsa]

It's definitely not just white people leaving California if it were my city would have a lot more white people.

I don't know what it is clankers smoke, but this thing is smoking it. Maybe it let the smoke out of a few of its own capacitors.

 

[nikcers]

I don't know what it is clankers smoke, but this thing is smoking it. Maybe it let the smoke out of a few of its own capacitors.

I have direct knowledge of people fleeing California and moving to other states.

So stop with your smoke show.

Its one of my major complaints of California politics over the last 20 years since it effects the politics and elections of every other state around them.

In one recent election we literally had people travel from California into our state just so they can vote in our state to try to turn the state blue.

 

[acptulsa]

Its one of my major complaints of California politics over the last 20 years since it effects the politics and elections of every other state around them.

The smoke show is, nothing you've said in this thread makes any sense.

 

[nikcers]

Grammar natzi

 

[acptulsa]

Grammar natzi

You communicate about as much meaning as a chimpanzee with a typewriter. You're a waste of everyone's time.

 

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[Invisible Man]

High home prices and high taxes are basically the only way for a state to force people to leave because states don't have the sovereignty to deport people.

It worked for California for decades the weather is perfect there and if they had low priced housing and plenty of jobs and economic opportunitys and low taxes 100s of millions of people would move to California if the borders were left open.

Millions and millions of people leave California because it costs a lot to live there. Its called self deportation.

There will never be affordable, low cost housing with an open border for that reason.

Not in a place where billions of people would love to live there if they could.

It's almost as if the market itself has a mechanism to regulate the allocation of scarce goods without the need for a central manager.

 

[nikcers]

It's almost as if the market itself has a mechanism to regulate the allocation of scarce goods without the need for a central manager.

Thats sort of like saying California's gas prices are "market forces."

Everything there is priced in a centralized economic system.

One of the arguments against the ACA enhanced subsidies is the funding of state governments of blue states using federal subsidies.

In other words all of these federal subsidies going into the state go towards producing enormous funds for state governments who get a piece of the action through indirect and direct state taxes on these federally subsidized markets.

This allows states to essentially print money and keep their state governments from incurring debts because money is fungible.

 

[Invisible Man]

Thats sort of like saying California's gas prices are "market forces."

Everything there is priced in a centralized economic system.

One of the arguments against the ACA enhanced subsidies is the funding of state governments of blue states using federal subsidies.

In other words all of these federal subsidies going into the state go towards producing enormous funds for state governments who get a piece of the action through indirect and direct state taxes on these federally subsidized markets.

This allows states to essentially print money and keep their state governments from incurring debts because money is fungible.

That's true. But surely you don't imagine that without the government doing that, billions of people would move to California and home prices would just stay the same the whole time, with the market helplessly unable to adjust until some government interferes.

 

[nikcers]

That's true. But surely you don't imagine that without the government doing that, billions of people would move to California and home prices would just stay the same the whole time, with the market helplessly unable to adjust until some government interferes.

No i think that the drug cartels and adversarial governments and "insurance" companies and other mafia groups and racket operations would launder their money into housing whether California was taxing the hell out of it or not.

Thats including all of the federal and non federal schemes that have monopoly power.

The reality is that the market forces are trumped by non market forces.

The opportunity costs and the real costs on the economy are enormous.

Since it allows for California to tax other states in our union and influence and manipulate our elections by rigging them.

 

[acptulsa]

The reality is that the market forces are trumped by non market forces.

The reality is that things can be changed, and changing things for the better is our goal here. That's why your attempts to gaslight us into accepting the fact that everything is fucked up as the "new normal" gets you nothing but the scorn you deserve.

 

[nikcers]

The reality is that things can be changed, and changing things for the better is our goal here. That's why your attempts to gaslight us into accepting the fact that everything is fucked up as the "new normal" gets you nothing but the scorn you deserve.

I don't consider it a new normal. It has been like that for a long time.

In fact I see many trends that indicate our current federal government is fixing the problem.

You can't logically enact justice for such an enormous crime without losing credibility on the global stage though not publicly atleast.

The reputation of our country would suffer incalculable costs it would be like losing a world war.

 

[acptulsa]

In fact I see many trends that indicate our current federal government is fixing the problem.

You don't get hallucinations like that from merely smoking something.

The reputation of our country would suffer incalculable costs it would be like losing a world war.

It takes a bot to equate the experience of losing a reputation to dying of radiation poisoning. No human could do that.

 

[Invisible Man]

The reputation of our country [i.e. the federal government] would suffer incalculable costs it would be like losing a world war.

The reputation of the regime in Washington, DC, could stand to suffer. No matter how little anyone thinks of it, they still esteem it too highly.