Trump wants to relocate Palestinians from Gaza..

[unknown]

You're forgetting the Saudis and other terrorists who participated.

Same exact garbage, just because the deepstate supports the terrorists you pretend that the muslims are innocent. (that puts you on the same side as the deepstate against the American people)

That was a quote from the former President of Italy, not me.


However, a significant % of the population does not believe the Official Story re: 9/11.

And they/we would argue that 9/11 could not have occurred without elements within our own government allowing it, if not orchestrating it.

Seems like there was some ME involvement regarding money transfers etc but more so for "plausible deniability".


Izrael, however, was founded on false flag terrorism.


What we know:

The King David Hotel (1946) - the future Prime Ministers of Izrael and the IDF disguised themselves as Arabs and killed 100+ civilians.

The Lavon Affair.

The attack on the USS Liberty - to be blamed on Egypt.

And 9/11, the Izraeli "art students", the dancing Izraelis etc.


Since occupying Palestine, the Izraelis have been trying to turn their enemies into our enemies.


Primarily through false flag terror.

And 9/11 was their greatest accomplishment against America, Americans and the United States.

 

[jmdrake]

GOD never cancelled his promise, and Christ said all prophecies not yet fulfilled in him would come to pass.
And nowhere in the Bible did GOD give Northern Israel to the Samaritans.

God's promises are conditional. Solomon broke the covenant so God took 10 of the tribes away from the Davidic line and created the Northern Kingdom known as Israel also known as Samaria.

See: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 11:26-12:33&version=NIV
Also see: 1 Kings 16:29 In the thirty-eighth year of Asa king of Judah, Ahab son of Omri became king of Israel, and he reigned in Samaria over Israel twenty-two years.

And yes, Ahab was one of the most wicked kings Israel ever had. But Elijah was the prophet of Samaria sent to pronounce judgment on Ahab and kill the prophets of Ba'al.


Also those who were cut off because of unbelief, according to the God were no longer considered Hebrews or part of the covenant. I gave you chapter and verse explaining how people could be cut off. You're simply ignoring the Bible. More on how God made his covenant conditional:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 28&version=NIV

And in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9, the last book in the Bible, God points out that there are people running around now claiming to be Jews who are not Jews but are of the Synagogue of Satan. These atheists Zionists that you give your allegience to are not Jews. And again, you ignore what is actually written in the Bible.

How Jewish (religiously or genetically) the Israelis are is a matter open for debate.
But you were the one who dragged the Bible into this, I never said that Israel should take over the region based on the Bible, you undermined your own position by dragging the Bible into it.

Yeah you did. You did it in response to me pointing out the FACT that Gaza never belonged to the Jews, but you still said Israel should take over the region based on the Bible. Once again you contradict your own self. Your words, not mine.

And the area actually did change hands in the Bible and GOD promised to destroy the Philistines and give the land to the Israelites if you are going to bring the Bible into this. (an odd move since that would legitimize Israel taking everything from the Nile to the Euphrates as GOD promised Moses {which never happened because of their wickedness but it will happen at some point because GOD doesn't let prophecies fail})

Anyhow, Trump's "plan" is a joke. Everybody knows this, even you.

 

[jmdrake]

Funny, I never heard Ron say the killing of thousands of Americans was justified, in fact he voted for the Afghan War and repeatedly called for Letters of Marque to go after the terrorists who did it.

This is absolutely disgusting, but at least the masks are coming off on the Hate America and the West club around here.

Iraq has nothing to do with anything anyone said.

So now you're claiming Ron Paul hates America? Because that's exactly what you're implying. Yes, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. And the PLO had nothing to do with October 7th. They HATE Hamas. And yet Israel used October 7th as justification for land confiscation and attacks in the West Bank which is run by the PLO. That's ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT than the U.S. using 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq. Oh? You say that Palestinians in the West Bank cheered October 7th? Well there were Iraqis that cheered 9/11 too. But the Iraqi government did not PARTICIAPATE in 9/11 and yet Iraqi civilians suffered from U.S. agression in the aftermath.

Edit: And the fact that you conflate people not supporting Trump's plan, which you yourself have had to admit at least twice now that YOU don't support, and people not supporting the Netanyahu government with somehow people hating America means you must think Netanyahu = America. You're exposing yourself.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Al Qaeda is the CIA, and everyone else here is well informed enough to know it. Al Qaeda is the CIA's way to throw a tantrum when we won't use up enough missiles to necessitate us buying more. You're saying brats should be rewarded for throwing deadly tantrums, whether you know it or not.



The DS, which regularly kills Muslims by the thousands, because they want to spend our money on missiles, because some of them have petroleum, because many of us don't much like Arabs anyway so it's an easier sell than (f'rinstance) massacring cute little Thais, is on the same side as the Muslims they seem to be trying to genocide?

Now there's some twisted "logic". Are you a man or a pretzel, cultist?

I don't know if you're a professional shill or not, but you certainly are an unprofessional shill, if you can't make any more sense than that.

The DS has been shoveling money to the terrorists like Hamas, and you are supporting them against the American people.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No, he didn't. You just have no idea what you're talking about.

Jeremiah 3:8

And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

2 Kings 17:18-20
So the LORD was very angry with Israel, and He removed them from His presence. Only the tribe of Judah remained, / and even Judah did not keep the commandments of the LORD their God, but lived according to the customs Israel had introduced. / So the LORD rejected all the descendants of Israel. He afflicted them and delivered them into the hands of plunderers, until He had banished them from His presence.

2 Chronicles 7:19-20
But if you turn away and forsake the statutes and commandments I have set before you, and if you go off to serve and worship other gods, / then I will uproot Israel from the soil I have given them, and I will banish from My presence this temple I have sanctified for My Name. I will make it an object of scorn and ridicule among all the peoples.



Bible and History all say Israel and Judah turned their backs on THE LORD, and THE LORD removed His protection from them.
Then, the Assyrian, Babylonian and Roman captivities occurred. The masses of Israelites never went back. Those Jews who did (Jews are not Israelites)
were left desolate also, and that's just the facts. This all took place 1,900-2,600 years ago.

https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/3-8.htm

They also say he will return his people to the land he promised them and that all prophecies not fulfilled at the time of Christ will be fulfilled.
It's not our place to try to force the fulfillment, but it will happen, you should bother reading what he says about the future absolute destruction of the other people in the region.

The Bible is no help to your side at all.

 

[Swordsmyth]

God's promises are conditional. Solomon broke the covenant so God took 10 of the tribes away from the Davidic line and created the Northern Kingdom known as Israel also known as Samaria.

See: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 11:26-12:33&version=NIV
Also see: 1 Kings 16:29 In the thirty-eighth year of Asa king of Judah, Ahab son of Omri became king of Israel, and he reigned in Samaria over Israel twenty-two years.

And yes, Ahab was one of the most wicked kings Israel ever had. But Elijah was the prophet of Samaria sent to pronounce judgment on Ahab and kill the prophets of Ba'al.


Also those who were cut off because of unbelief, according to the God were no longer considered Hebrews or part of the covenant. I gave you chapter and verse explaining how people could be cut off. You're simply ignoring the Bible. More on how God made his covenant conditional:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 28&version=NIV

And in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9, the last book in the Bible, God points out that there are people running around now claiming to be Jews who are not Jews but are of the Synagogue of Satan. These atheists Zionists that you give your allegience to are not Jews. And again, you ignore what is actually written in the Bible.

Just as irrelevant as the rest of your biblical arguments.
The Bible is clear that GOD will recover his people and return them to the land he promised them, which most definitely includes Gaza.

Yeah you did. You did it in response to me pointing out the FACT that Gaza never belonged to the Jews, but you still said Israel should take over the region based on the Bible. Once again you contradict your own self. Your words, not mine.

You just admitted you were the one who dragged it in
And they did take and hold Gaza at various times in the OT.
I definitely did not say that they should take Gaza at this time or any particular time, I just pointed out that the Bible is clear that GOD will give the entire region to his people in his time, and your appeals to it only serve to weaken your argument.

Anyhow, Trump's "plan" is a joke. Everybody knows this, even you.

It's not a joke, it's not going to work, but it's the only thing that might work aside from one side or the other wiping their opponent off the map.
It's also intended to shake up the calcified issues and provoke other interested parties into making their own new proposals to do something other than keep the same death and destruction cycle going forever.

 

[Swordsmyth]

So now you're claiming Ron Paul hates America? Because that's exactly what you're implying.

Learn to read, I used Ron as a contrast to the people here saying 9/11 was justified because of the US support for the Mujahedin in Afghanistan.

Yes, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

And nobody but you said anything about Iraq.

And the PLO had nothing to do with October 7th. They HATE Hamas. And yet Israel used October 7th as justification for land confiscation and attacks in the West Bank which is run by the PLO.

That's Kayfabe.
I'm not taking any side here, but both Hamas and the PLO constantly sponsor terrorism.

That's ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT than the U.S. using 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq. Oh? You say that Palestinians in the West Bank cheered October 7th? Well there were Iraqis that cheered 9/11 too. But the Iraqi government did not PARTICIAPATE in 9/11 and yet Iraqi civilians suffered from U.S. agression in the aftermath.

Irrelevant, nobody but you brought up Iraq, and the PLO constantly conducts attacks on Israel just like and in concert with Hamas.

Edit: And the fact that you conflate people not supporting Trump's plan, which you yourself have had to admit at least twice now that YOU don't support, and people not supporting the Netanyahu government with somehow people hating America means you must think Netanyahu = America. You're exposing yourself.

Learn to read, people here were saying 9/11 was justified, that's what I called out correctly as America hate.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Since the CIA promoted the mujahideen against the soviets, you would say it was perfectly okay for Alqaida to kill over 3000 Americans on 9/11????

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Snowball again.

Since somebody is trying to pretend this didn't happen I'm going to lay it out clearly again.

Snowball replied with an A-OK sign to the question of whether it was okay for AQ to kill 3,000 Americans on 9/11.
Drake replied to him with a desire to add reputation points to his A-OK response.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Why Hamas supporters shouldn't cite the Bible:

[h=1]Amos
Chapter 1[/h]
6 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Gaza, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they carried away captive the whole captivity, to deliver them up to Edom:
7 But I will send a fire on the wall of Gaza, which shall devour the palaces thereof:
8 And I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him that holdeth the sceptre from Ashkelon, and I will turn mine hand against Ekron: and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord GOD.


[h=1]Joshua
Chapter 15[/h]
20 This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Judah according to their families.


45 Ekron, with her towns and her villages:
46 From Ekron even unto the sea, all that lay near Ashdod, with their villages:
47 Ashdod with her towns and her villages, Gaza with her towns and her villages, unto the river of Egypt, and the great sea, and the border thereof:

(Mapping out the rest of that chapter won't be very fun for you either)


[h=1]Judges 1:18[/h] “Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.”

(But I was told they never had Gaza????)

[h=1]Zechariah
Chapter 9[/h]
1 The burden of the word of the LORD in the land of Hadrach, and Damascus shall be the rest thereof: when the eyes of man, as of all the tribes of Israel, shall be toward the LORD.
2 And Hamath also shall border thereby; Tyrus, and Zidon, though it be very wise.
3 And Tyrus did build herself a strong hold, and heaped up silver as the dust, and fine gold as the mire of the streets.
4 Behold, the Lord will cast her out, and he will smite her power in the sea; and she shall be devoured with fire.
5 Ashkelon shall see it, and fear; Gaza also shall see it, and be very sorrowful, and Ekron; for her expectation shall be ashamed; and the king shall perish from Gaza, and Ashkelon shall not be inhabited.
6 And a bastard shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines.
7 And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite.
8 And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes.
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
12 Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee;
13 When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.
14 And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
15 The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.
16 And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.
17 For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.





[h=1]Zephaniah
Chapter 2[/h]
1 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up.
5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.
6 And the sea coast shall be dwellings and cottages for shepherds, and folds for flocks.
7 And the coast shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah; they shall feed thereupon: in the houses of Ashkelon shall they lie down in the evening: for the LORD their God shall visit them, and turn away their captivity.



This is mostly just looking at Gaza, the other nations in the region don't fare very well either.


We should stay out of it, but Trump is trying to make peace, last I heard peace was supposed to be popular on this forum, and since no money or blood of ours will be involved I really don't see the problem, Diplomacy is not unconstitutional.
Trump will fail to make peace (but that's the fault of the warring parties not his) and GOD will fulfill his promises in his own time.

 

[jmdrake]

Since somebody is trying to pretend this didn't happen I'm going to lay it out clearly again.

Snowball replied with an A-OK sign to the question of whether it was okay for AQ to kill 3,000 Americans on 9/11.
Drake replied to him with a desire to add reputation points to his A-OK response.

You're either being dishonest over very stupid. The "A-OK" wasn't "A-OK" to 3,000 Americans being killed! It was "A-OK" as in "I know you're full of shyt but I'm not going to argue with you!"

 

[jmdrake]

Learn to read, I used Ron as a contrast to the people here saying 9/11 was justified because of the US support for the Mujahedin in Afghanistan.



And nobody but you said anything about Iraq.



That's Kayfabe.
I'm not taking any side here, but both Hamas and the PLO constantly sponsor terrorism.



Irrelevant, nobody but you brought up Iraq, and the PLO constantly conducts attacks on Israel just like and in concert with Hamas.


Learn to read, people here were saying 9/11 was justified, that's what I called out correctly as America hate.

 

[jmdrake]

Just as irrelevant as the rest of your biblical arguments.
The Bible is clear that GOD will recover his people and return them to the land he promised them, which most definitely includes Gaza.



You just admitted you were the one who dragged it in
And they did take and hold Gaza at various times in the OT.
I definitely did not say that they should take Gaza at this time or any particular time, I just pointed out that the Bible is clear that GOD will give the entire region to his people in his time, and your appeals to it only serve to weaken your argument.



It's not a joke, it's not going to work, but it's the only thing that might work aside from one side or the other wiping their opponent off the map.
It's also intended to shake up the calcified issues and provoke other interested parties into making their own new proposals to do something other than keep the same death and destruction cycle going forever.

 

[acptulsa]

The DS has been shoveling money to the terrorists like Hamas, and you are supporting them against the American people.

I'm supporting terrorists? Your proof had better be good.

[MENTION=2]Bryan[/MENTION] I need this poster's identity. My lawyers will be sending a subpoena. Libel like this is a serious matter.

 

[jmdrake]

I really don't see how that is relevant to the current reality. Their actions and violence should be stopped no matter who promoted them initially. The Genesis of Hamas, if it wasn't Israel, it would have been Iran or other Arab country that refuses to accept a Jewish state.

Since the CIA promoted the mujahideen against the soviets, you would say it was perfectly okay for Alqaida to kill over 3000 Americans on 9/11????

And to break this down for you [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION]:

1) Not everybody here believes Al Qaida had anything to do with 9/11. You've been around enough to know the various conspiracy theories that exist on that.

2) If Al Qaida did do 9/11, the CIA involvement is much more than just that they "promoted the mujahadeen against the Soviets." At the very least the CIA helped the 9/11 terrorists into the U.S.



3) If the CIA had operational control of Al Qaeda throughout the attack, as Benjamen Netanyahu seems to have had operational control over Hamas throughout October 7, then it's not justified to kill Muslims, even in Afghanistan who were not part of Al Qaeda or the Taliban, when we're not actually going after the people really responsibile. (The CIA).

4) Israeli intelligence could have done targetted attacks against Hamas like they did against Hezbollah (the beeper attacks) but instead used this as an excuse for ethnic cleansing.

So yeah. [MENTION=8593]spudea[/MENTION] is off base on this point and you are full of crap in general.

Edit: And the Zionist wing of RPF is sounding more like 2008 Rudy Giuliani every day.

 

[Snowball]

Since somebody is trying to pretend this didn't happen I'm going to lay it out clearly again.

Snowball replied with an A-OK sign to the question of whether it was okay for AQ to kill 3,000 Americans on 9/11.
Drake replied to him with a desire to add reputation points to his A-OK response.

The sign where I'm from means "yeah, sure", cynically.
I was inferring that Al-Queda did not do 9/11.

Regarding the return of the Jews that already happened 2,500 years ago, it was about the Babylonian Exile.
Just like everything else your heretical, historically-ignorant Protestant sect says about prophecy, it already happened.
Even the Protestants didn't think like this until the Jews financed the Scofield Bible 100 years ago, and perverted American Protestantism
with their Zionist propaganda. You are a victim.

This being said, if I was a Palestinian I would have left a long time ago. I feel nothing but indignation and pity for the Palestinians
who refuse to leave, especially now. They are fools. Israel in a matter of weeks is going to give them the opportunity to get the hell out of there
and have a life somewhere else. They should take it. Those who don't will be murdered. It is what it is.

 

[spudea]

And to break this down for you [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION]:

1) Not everybody here believes Al Qaida had anything to do with 9/11. You've been around enough to know the various conspiracy theories that exist on that.

2) If Al Qaida did do 9/11, the CIA involvement is much more than just that they "promoted the mujahadeen against the Soviets." At the very least the CIA helped the 9/11 terrorists into the U.S.



3) If the CIA had operational control of Al Qaeda throughout the attack, as Benjamen Netanyahu seems to have had operational control over Hamas throughout October 7, then it's not justified to kill Muslims, even in Afghanistan who were not part of Al Qaeda or the Taliban, when we're not actually going after the people really responsibile. (The CIA).

4) Israeli intelligence could have done targetted attacks against Hamas like they did against Hezbollah (the beeper attacks) but instead used this as an excuse for ethnic cleansing.

So yeah. [MENTION=8593]spudea[/MENTION] is off base on this point and you are full of crap in general.

Edit: And the Zionist wing of RPF is sounding more like 2008 Rudy Giuliani every day.

1. Ron Paul knows AQ attacked us and AFAIK never seriously entertained any other conspiracy theories.

2. Your video of a disgruntled employee that was fired in 1989 provides zero proof. And once again you appear to be saying nothing should be done to the terrorists that attacked and killed Americans because the CIA helped them?

3. Ron Paul voted yes on the Afghanistan war authorization, and proudly declared in 2007 debate "I voted for that war!" So you are on the wrong forum if you think AQ killing thousands of Americans is perfectly fine because punishing them is exactly what the CIA wants??? Go start a forum for Barbara Lee since she was the only one in the house of representatives that voted no on the war authorization.

4. I'm not here to excuse innocent civilian deaths in Gaza. We know Hamas hides behind innocent civilians and they are responsible not only for killing Israelis but also of dictatorship and subjugation of the people of Gaza. Regardless, they are a bloodthirsty people that continue to support Hamas and attacking Israel. If Israel and Netanyahu control Hamas, why do the people of Gaza support Hamas, why does Iran support Hamas? You are saying Iran supports Israel's terrorists LOL. The bloodshed will not end for thousands of years until there is decisive victory by one side or the other. The historical record shows, when offered peace, the Muslims reject it time after time. What is the peace plan???

 

[WarriorLiberty]

“Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.”

Swordsmyth this is a line from the Zionists.

 

[Dr.3D]

Swordsmyth this is a line from the Zionists.

No, that's from the Bible.

Judges 1:18

 

[spudea]

Incredible stupidity on display here. The allegation is Israel controls Hamas, yet noone in the Arab world seriously denounces Hamas, and many support Hamas, so supporting Hamas is supporting Israel???

 

[jmdrake]

1. Ron Paul knows AQ attacked us and AFAIK never seriously entertained any other conspiracy theories.

Ron Paul clearly says ^here that he didn't come out and say everthing he thought for political reasons.

Here at 1:30 in Ron Paul says "Building 7 going down...that raises a lot of questions." So contrary to your false assertion he certainly entertained conspiracy theories about 9/11. But that's a straw man argument. I didn't say "Ron Paul believes 9/11 was not done by Al Qaeda" I said "A lot of people here do not believe 9/11 was done by Al Qaeda." So please keep your argument honest. The issue is did Snowball's "a-okay" to your post about 3,000 Americans being killed by Al Qaeda mean he was okay with 3,000 Americans being killed, or was he really saying "Whatever you say dude" to your claim that Al Qaeda killed 3,000 Americans? You and I both know it's most likely the latter and not the former.

2. Your video of a disgruntled employee that was fired in 1989 provides zero proof. And once again you appear to be saying nothing should be done to the terrorists that attacked and killed Americans because the CIA helped them?

You asserted the position was the CIA only helped the mujahadeen fight the Soviets. That's different from the CIA helping Al Qaeda carry out 9/11. So now that you're arguing the honest position here is my response. If the CIA helped Al Qaeda, a group of non Afghan terrorists who simply used Afghanistan as a base, carry out 9/11, then does that justify killing a bunch of Afghanis especially considering that we KNEW Osama Bin Laden was no longer in Afghanistan BEFORE we invaded? Osama Bin Laden likely escaped Afghanistan in November 2001. (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift)

Hamas consists of about 4,000 people. Israel killed about 40,000+ Palestinians. Do the math.

3. Ron Paul voted yes on the Afghanistan war authorization, and proudly declared in 2007 debate "I voted for that war!" So you are on the wrong forum if you think AQ killing thousands of Americans is perfectly fine because punishing them is exactly what the CIA wants??? Go start a forum for Barbara Lee since she was the only one in the house of representatives that voted no on the war authorization.

Ron Paul ultimately regretted that vote. In fact he was critical of it as early as November, 2001.

https://sgp.fas.org/congress/2001/h112901.html

The Afghan people did nothing to deserve another war. The Taliban, of
course, is closely tied to bin Laden and the al Qaeda, but so are the
Pakistanis and the Saudis. Even the United States was a supporter of
the Taliban's rise to power. And as recently as August of this year, we
talked pipeline politics with them. The recent French publication of
bin Laden, "The Forbidden Truth," revealed our most recent effort to
secure control over Caspian Sea oil in collaboration with the Taliban.
According to the two authors, the economic conditions demanded by the
U.S. were turned down and led to U.S. military threats against the
Taliban. It has been known for years that UniCal, a U.S. company, has
been anxious to build a pipeline through northern Afghanistan. But it
has not been possible due to the weak Afghan central government. We
should not be surprised now that many contend that the plan for the
U.N. to nation-build in Afghanistan is a logical and important
consequence of this desire. The crisis has merely given those
interested in this project an excuse to replace the government of
Afghanistan.
Since we do not even know if bin Laden is in Afghanistan; and since
other countries are equally supportive of him, our concentration on
this Taliban target remains suspect by many. Former FBI Deputy Director
John O'Neill resigned in July over duplicitous dealings with the
Taliban in our oil interests. O'Neill then took a job as head of the
World Trade Center's security and, ironically, was killed in the 9-11
attack.​

4. I'm not here to excuse innocent civilian deaths in Gaza. We know Hamas hides behind innocent civilians and they are responsible not only for killing Israelis but also of dictatorship and subjugation of the people of Gaza. Regardless, they are a bloodthirsty people that continue to support Hamas and attacking Israel. If Israel and Netanyahu control Hamas, why do the people of Gaza support Hamas, why does Iran support Hamas? You are saying Iran supports Israel's terrorists LOL. The bloodshed will not end for thousands of years until there is decisive victory by one side or the other. The historical record shows, when offered peace, the Muslims reject it time after time. What is the peace plan???

So..you're against the killing of innocent Gazans but you're simultaneously okay with it because...reasons. You're going to ignore the fact that the man most responsible for the killing of innocent Gazans is also likely reponsible in an operational sense for October 7th itself. Not only did he fund Hamas, but he had the plans for October 7th a year in advance and he had warnings from Israeli, U.S. and Egyptian intelligence that an attack was imminent. But you're going to ignore all of that because...reasons. You're going to also ignore that the Israel military and intelligence forces showed they were capable of doing attacks in Lebanon against Hezbollah with very little collaterol damage, but decided to flatten Gaza because they just had no other choice. And you believe they had no other choice because...well I'm not sure why you believe that. You on the one hand accept that Bibi Netanyahu is evil enough to be behind the deaths of 1,200 Israeli civilians on October 7th, but you don't think he killed more Gazans than he had to in the war that followed because....reasons?