Trump wants to relocate Palestinians from Gaza..

[jmdrake]

Incredible stupidity on display here. The allegation is Israel controls Hamas, yet noone in the Arab world seriously denounces Hamas, and many support Hamas, so supporting Hamas is supporting Israel???

Have you been drinking with Kamala Harris? Because ^that is some serious word salad.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You're either being dishonest over very stupid. The "A-OK" wasn't "A-OK" to 3,000 Americans being killed! It was "A-OK" as in "I know you're full of shyt but I'm not going to argue with you!"

Bunk, he cut the quote down to just the question and responded with an affirmative.
Maybe your reading comprehension is so low you didn't realize what you were agreeing with, but there is no question about what he posted.

 

[jmdrake]

Incredible stupidity on display here. The allegation is Israel controls Hamas, yet noone in the Arab world seriously denounces Hamas, and many support Hamas, so supporting Hamas is supporting Israel???

Oh, and your claim that "noone in the Arab world seriously denounces Hamas" is provably false.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-blames-hamas-continuing-war-gaza-2024-07-13/

Palestinian president blames Hamas for continuing war in Gaza
By Reuters
July 13, 20242:47 PM CDTUpdated 7 months ago

RAMALLAH, July 13 (Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Israel and the United States were responsible for an attack that killed dozens in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, but the Western-backed leader also blamed Hamas for the continuing war in Gaza.

His comments signal rising tension between Abbas's Fatah faction and the Islamist Hamas group, which accused the Palestinian president of taking Israel's side.

Israel said the attack was aimed at killing the Hamas military chief Mohammad Deif and his aide. It remained unclear whether Deif or his deputy were killed in the strike that left at least 90 Palestinians dead and 300 wounded, according to Gaza health ministry.

"The Palestinian presidency condemns the slaughter and holds the Israeli government fully responsible, also the U.S. administration that provides all kinds of support to the occupation and its crimes," said Abbas in a statement published by his office.

But Abbas, whose authority maintains a limited self-rule in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, assigned some blame to Hamas, whose Oct 7 attack inside Israel, in which 1,200 people were killed and around 250 others were abducted, kicked off the nine-month war in Gaza.

"The presidency sees that by escaping national unity, and providing free pretexts to the occupation state, the Hamas movement is a partner in bearing legal, moral and political responsibility for the continuation of the Israeli war of genocide in Gaza Strip," the statement said.

Hamas has run Gaza since its 2007 takeover of the coastal territory from Abbas loyalists.

Senior Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters Abbas's statement meant the Palestinian Authority "has chosen to be in the same trench with the occupation".

"Such an attitude will not succeed in blackmailing the resistance or pressuring it," said Abu Zuhri.

Efforts by Arab mediators, led by Egypt, have so far failed to reconcile power struggles between the two sides.

Another Hamas leader, Basem Naim, who took part in previous reconciliation talks with Abbas's Fatah faction, said Abbas was to blame for the failure to reach a unity deal.

Naim said Abbas's comments made him and his authority "partner to the Zioinist enemy and its crimes not only in Gaza but also in all of the Palestinian land."​

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm supporting terrorists? Your proof had better be good.

@Bryan I need this poster's identity. My lawyers will be sending a subpoena. Libel like this is a serious matter.

I said you were supporting the deepstate, which you are.

 

[jmdrake]

Bunk, he cut the quote down to just the question and responded with an affirmative.
Maybe your reading comprehension is so low you didn't realize what you were agreeing with, but there is no question about what he posted.

You're honesty quotient is low.

And I fully explained my position. You either lack the reading comprehenion to understand it or you lack the honesty to admit it. Most people here reject the idea that the war in Afghanistan was somehow justified based on the theory that all the CIA did was merely help the mujahadeen back in the 1980s and then Al Qaeda attacked America because they hate us for our freedom. Even though Ron Paul voted for authorization military action to take out Al Qaeda, as early as November 2001 he said:

The Afghan people did nothing to deserve another war. The Taliban, of
course, is closely tied to bin Laden and the al Qaeda, but so are the
Pakistanis and the Saudis. Even the United States was a supporter of
the Taliban's rise to power.

Now, you'll probably ignore the actual facts, like you always do, and go with more lies.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The sign where I'm from means "yeah, sure", cynically.
I was inferring that Al-Queda did not do 9/11.

Regarding the return of the Jews that already happened 2,500 years ago, it was about the Babylonian Exile.
Just like everything else your heretical, historically-ignorant Protestant sect says about prophecy, it already happened.
Even the Protestants didn't think like this until the Jews financed the Scofield Bible 100 years ago, and perverted American Protestantism
with their Zionist propaganda. You are a victim.

This being said, if I was a Palestinian I would have left a long time ago. I feel nothing but indignation and pity for the Palestinians
who refuse to leave, especially now. They are fools. Israel in a matter of weeks is going to give them the opportunity to get the hell out of there
and have a life somewhere else. They should take it. Those who don't will be murdered. It is what it is.

Bunk.

Those prophecies did not happen at the time of the return, Gaza was not destroyed etc.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Swordsmyth this is a line from the Zionists.

Proving again that you reject the Bible.

 

[jmdrake]

I really don't see how that is relevant to the current reality. Their actions and violence should be stopped no matter who promoted them initially. The Genesis of Hamas, if it wasn't Israel, it would have been Iran or other Arab country that refuses to accept a Jewish state.

Since the CIA promoted the mujahideen against the soviets, you would say it was perfectly okay for Alqaida to kill over 3000 Americans on 9/11????

Ron Paul: The Afghan people did nothing to deserve another war. The Taliban, of
course, is closely tied to bin Laden and the al Qaeda, but so are the
Pakistanis and the Saudis. Even the United States was a supporter of
the Taliban's rise to power.

Proving again that you reject the Bible.

How are you enjoying that copium?

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm supporting terrorists? Your proof had better be good.

@Bryan I need this poster's identity. My lawyers will be sending a subpoena. Libel like this is a serious matter.

[MENTION=2]Bryan[/MENTION] [MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION] [MENTION=28167]Occam's Banana[/MENTION] [MENTION=26621]jct74[/MENTION]

This is an attempt by one anonymous poster to dox another over a statement of opinion that he is lying about.
I did not say what he claims, and I don't know his identity.
This is exactly what the left does to shut down free speech.

 

[spudea]

Oh, and your claim that "noone in the Arab world seriously denounces Hamas" is provably false.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-blames-hamas-continuing-war-gaza-2024-07-13/

Palestinian president blames Hamas for continuing war in Gaza
By Reuters
July 13, 20242:47 PM CDTUpdated 7 months ago

RAMALLAH, July 13 (Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Israel and the United States were responsible for an attack that killed dozens in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, but the Western-backed leader also blamed Hamas for the continuing war in Gaza.

His comments signal rising tension between Abbas's Fatah faction and the Islamist Hamas group, which accused the Palestinian president of taking Israel's side.

Israel said the attack was aimed at killing the Hamas military chief Mohammad Deif and his aide. It remained unclear whether Deif or his deputy were killed in the strike that left at least 90 Palestinians dead and 300 wounded, according to Gaza health ministry.

"The Palestinian presidency condemns the slaughter and holds the Israeli government fully responsible, also the U.S. administration that provides all kinds of support to the occupation and its crimes," said Abbas in a statement published by his office.

But Abbas, whose authority maintains a limited self-rule in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, assigned some blame to Hamas, whose Oct 7 attack inside Israel, in which 1,200 people were killed and around 250 others were abducted, kicked off the nine-month war in Gaza.

"The presidency sees that by escaping national unity, and providing free pretexts to the occupation state, the Hamas movement is a partner in bearing legal, moral and political responsibility for the continuation of the Israeli war of genocide in Gaza Strip," the statement said.

Hamas has run Gaza since its 2007 takeover of the coastal territory from Abbas loyalists.

Senior Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters Abbas's statement meant the Palestinian Authority "has chosen to be in the same trench with the occupation".

"Such an attitude will not succeed in blackmailing the resistance or pressuring it," said Abu Zuhri.

Efforts by Arab mediators, led by Egypt, have so far failed to reconcile power struggles between the two sides.

Another Hamas leader, Basem Naim, who took part in previous reconciliation talks with Abbas's Fatah faction, said Abbas was to blame for the failure to reach a unity deal.

Naim said Abbas's comments made him and his authority "partner to the Zioinist enemy and its crimes not only in Gaza but also in all of the Palestinian land."​

You are so quick to see deception and conspiracy from our own government but take the Arabs at their word???Abbas rejected peace and two state solution in 2008! He could have ended the conflict. But the Arab terrorists depend on continuous conflict and reject a Jewish state more than they desire a state of their own. Abbas supports Hamas killing as many Jews as possible, and if you believe he feels the slightest sorrow for a dead Jew, you are a fool.

 

[jmdrake]

You are so quick to see deception and conspiracy from our own government but take the Arabs at their word???Abbas rejected peace and two state solution in 2008! He could have ended the conflict. But the Arab terrorists depend on continuous conflict and reject a Jewish state more than they desire a state of their own. Abbas supports Hamas killing as many Jews as possible, and if you believe he feels the slightest sorrow for a dead Jew, you are a fool.

LOL. You said "noone in the Arab world seriously denounces Hamas." Your statement is provably false. You are the only fool here. Abbas didn't support provoking a wider war with Israel or he would have done it already. I don't give a rats ass if he "feels the slightest sorrow for a dead Jew." That's irrelevant. This isn't about how somebody "feels." It's about who had the ability to prevent October 7th. Abbas didn't have that ability but Bibi Netanyahu did. Israel had the plans for the attack 1 year in advance. And Ron Paul clearly REJECTED your argument that if people other than the Afghanis had operational control of Al Qaeda on 9/11 that meant war with the Afghanis was warranted. He rejected that in November 2001 just months after voting for tha authorization for military force. Ron Paul supported SURGICAL strikes to get Osama Bin Laden, who had already escaped before we invaded, and NOT a general war! If Israel had just attacked Hamas the way it attacked Hezbollah in Lebonon with minimal civilian casualties, the civilized world would not care. Candace Owens brought that point up multiple times when she debated Zionist shills last year.

Once more in case you missed it.

Ron Paul: The Afghan people did nothing to deserve another war. The Taliban, of
course, is closely tied to bin Laden and the al Qaeda, but so are the
Pakistanis and the Saudis. Even the United States was a supporter of
the Taliban's rise to power. And as recently as August of this year, we
talked pipeline politics with them. The recent French publication of
bin Laden, ``The Forbidden Truth,'' revealed our most recent effort to
secure control over Caspian Sea oil in collaboration with the Taliban.
According to the two authors, the economic conditions demanded by the
U.S. were turned down and led to U.S. military threats against the
Taliban. It has been known for years that UniCal, a U.S. company, has
been anxious to build a pipeline through northern Afghanistan. But it
has not been possible due to the weak Afghan central government. We
should not be surprised now that many contend that the plan for the
U.N. to nation-build in Afghanistan is a logical and important
consequence of this desire. The crisis has merely given those
interested in this project an excuse to replace the government of
Afghanistan.
Since we do not even know if bin Laden is in Afghanistan; and since
other countries are equally supportive of him, our concentration on
this Taliban target remains suspect by many. Former FBI Deputy Director
John O'Neill resigned in July over duplicitous dealings with the
Taliban in our oil interests. O'Neill then took a job as head of the
World Trade Center's security and, ironically, was killed in the 9-11
attack.

 

[spudea]

This isn't about how somebody "feels." It's about who had the ability to prevent October 7th. Abbas didn't have that ability but Bibi Netanyahu did.

Abba's Fatah party has a military wing that literally participated in Oct 7 atrocities. So they knew about it too and did nothing. If Abba agreed to the two state solution, Oct 7 doesn't happen.

 

[vita3]

POTUS Real Estate developer called it a “site” yesterday, like he owned it..

I betcha Silverstein & Kutchner real estate has blueprints & models & schemes & schemes & schemes

Trump is doing a lot of great things, but this is reckless, morally wrong, out of touch & shows he is NOT America first when it comes to Israel. (Puts them above us)

 

[TheTexan]

Israel is evil but "Palestine" isn't exactly some angel either. The "Palestinian" cultural identity - to the extent it even exists at all - is defined by its opposition to Israel and its occupation of Jerusalem.

It's only reason for existence is to harass and commit violence upon Israel.

I have no sympathy for either.

 

[jmdrake]

Abba's Fatah party has a military wing that literally participated in Oct 7 atrocities. So they knew about it too and did nothing. If Abba agreed to the two state solution, Oct 7 doesn't happen.

I just did a Google search and I'm not finding anything saying that Fatah participated in October 7th. Source please.

 

[jmdrake]

 

[TheTexan]

If we want to kick out the residents of gaza without USD or troops, that's actually pretty easy. Just let Israel stage another terrorist attack, then Israel can go and clear out gaza to make room for Trump's new condominiums

 

[spudea]

I just did a Google search and I'm not finding anything saying that Fatah participated in October 7th. Source please.

You'll probably reject these sources, but here is some of what I'm reading. Be skeptical if you want, but I still think it is pretty clear the PA and Fatah party support Hamas and have no interest in peace with Israel.

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is the military wing of Fatah
https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/aamb_fto.html

Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a wing of Fatah: We participated in the October 7 attack
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/389933

PA officials express ‘great joy’ over Hamas atrocities
https://www.jns.org/palestinian-authority-officials-express-great-joy-over-hamas-atrocities/

“Praiseworthy Attack”: How the Palestinian Authority and Fatah Reacted to October 7
https://www.warinisrael.org/post/pr...d-fatah-reacted-to-october-7-and-why-they-can

Three battalions within the Fatah movement are actively in combat with the Israeli army
https://www.newarab.com/news/four-other-armed-palestinian-groups-fighting-israel-gaza

 

[TheTexan]

Fatah party support Hamas and have no interest in peace with Israel.

Of course they don't. The PLO was founded on pursuing the elimation of Israel and they stay consistent to that purpose to this day. They don't want independence; if that was the goal they could have had it long ago. They want Jerusalem and to this day they claim Jerusalem as their capital.

The only version of "peace" that they want is a version of peace where Israel doesn't exist, or at the very least, where Israel does not occupy Jerusalem. Their goals are simply not obtainable without warfare against Israel.

 

[acptulsa]

[MENTION=2]Bryan[/MENTION] [MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION] [MENTION=28167]Occam's Banana[/MENTION] [MENTION=26621]jct74[/MENTION]

This is an attempt by one anonymous poster to dox another over a statement of opinion that he is lying about.
I did not say what he claims, and I don't know his identity.
This is exactly what the left does to shut down free speech.

You're not only a lying, libelous dog, you either don't know what doxxing is, or you're deliberately misleading people.

Either way, it doesn't make you any less ignorant, dishonest or toxic, asshole.