Trump wants to relocate Palestinians from Gaza..

[jmdrake]

Cool story, I think you just ended all war ever. Hamas Benjamin Netanyahu's private proxy false flag army doesn't want to kill all infidels anymore...

Fixed it for you.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm going to burn your house down, then offer to relocate your family to a habitat for humanity trailer in the desert.

That is generosity. By the way, it's my house now, goose.

Both sides have been killing and burning for generations.

Trump is stepping in with a plan to put an end to it, and they are not being removed permanently, that's generous.

Most likely they will go back to killing and burning after they come back, the only real solution is for one side to win and remove the other permanently because both sides are unwilling to get along.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Cool story, I think you just ended all war ever. Hamas Benjamin Netanyahu's private proxy false flag army doesn't want to kill all infidels anymore...

Fixed it for you.

True enough, as far as it goes.
But you are ignoring the fact that the Israelis don't really need to do a false flag operation, the Gazans overwhelmingly support the terrorist and gleefully participate in their acts.
Running a false flag operation just lets Israel be better positioned to win in their mutual blood feud.

 

[jmdrake]

Both sides have been killing and burning for generations.

Trump is stepping in with a plan to put an end to it, and they are not being removed permanently, that's generous.

Most likely they will go back to killing and burning after they come back, the only real solution is for one side to win and remove the other permanently because both sides are unwilling to get along.

Do you realize how self contradictory your analysis is? They aren't be removed permanently but they will go back to killing and burning until they are removed permanently and in the meantime Trump wants to build a resort? For who? Suicidal tourists?

 

[jmdrake]

A fact that everybody is ignoring. Gaza NEVER belonged to the Jews, not even in Bible times. It belonged to the Philistines. (That's where the word "Palestinian" comes from). Northern Israel, after the kingdom was divided by God, didn't belong to the Jews either. It was the kingdom of Israel AKA the Samaritan kingdom. As pointed out in John chapter 4 "The Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans." The funny thing is, the Samaratins still exist. And..they get along both with Jews and Arabs. So give the Samaritans back THEIR land, let the Jews have historical Judea, the Palestinans have what was Philistia and "problem solved." Of course the Samaritans are small in number now so they'll need some backup. But at least there's not an ongoing blood feud right now between them and anybody else.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/film-...-samaritan-community-fighting-for-its-future/

The Samaritans have lived in the Land of Israel for 3,600 years. Some may be familiar with references to them in the New Testament, but few know who they really are.

A new multi-faceted project by the Yeshiva University Center for Israel Studies introduces the Samaritans to a wide and varied audience, and explores how they have managed to survive for millennia despite efforts by conquering powers to erase them. Crucially, the project asks how the Samaritans plan to continue to survive into the future when today they number a mere 862.

The Samaritans are a distinct religious group descended from the northern tribes of biblical Israel, specifically the tribes of Ephraim, Menashe, and Levi. They are not —and have never been — Jewish, Muslim, or Christian. They hold both Israeli and Palestinian citizenship.

More at link
​

 

[Swordsmyth]

Do you realize how self contradictory your analysis is? They aren't be removed permanently but they will go back to killing and burning until they are removed permanently and in the meantime Trump wants to build a resort? For who? Suicidal tourists?

Trump is trying to end the conflict without eliminating one side or the other, he's giving them a final chance to play nice.

I'm predicting it won't work.

If Trump did propose to permanently remove either side you'd be screaming he was Hitler even if the people were only moved instead of removed from the face of the earth.
Trump can't bring a permanent solution, so he's trying to shake things up and hope it works out.

 

[Swordsmyth]

A fact that everybody is ignoring. Gaza NEVER belonged to the Jews, not even in Bible times. It belonged to the Philistines. (That's where the word "Palestinian" comes from). Northern Israel, after the kingdom was divided by God, didn't belong to the Jews either. It was the kingdom of Israel AKA the Samaritan kingdom. As pointed out in John chapter 4 "The Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans." The funny thing is, the Samaratins still exist. And..they get along both with Jews and Arabs. So give the Samaritans back THEIR land, let the Jews have historical Judea, the Palestinans have what was Philistia and "problem solved." Of course the Samaritans are small in number now so they'll need some backup. But at least there's not an ongoing blood feud right now between them and anybody else.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/film-...-samaritan-community-fighting-for-its-future/

The Samaritans have lived in the Land of Israel for 3,600 years. Some may be familiar with references to them in the New Testament, but few know who they really are.

A new multi-faceted project by the Yeshiva University Center for Israel Studies introduces the Samaritans to a wide and varied audience, and explores how they have managed to survive for millennia despite efforts by conquering powers to erase them. Crucially, the project asks how the Samaritans plan to continue to survive into the future when today they number a mere 862.

The Samaritans are a distinct religious group descended from the northern tribes of biblical Israel, specifically the tribes of Ephraim, Menashe, and Levi. They are not —and have never been — Jewish, Muslim, or Christian. They hold both Israeli and Palestinian citizenship.

More at link
​

And you are ignoring the fact that they took it in a war the arabs started, then they gave it back and only got more terrorism as thanks.
And the area actually did change hands in the Bible and GOD promised to destroy the Philistines and give the land to the Israelites if you are going to bring the Bible into this. (an odd move since that would legitimize Israel taking everything from the Nile to the Euphrates as GOD promised Moses {which never happened because of their wickedness but it will happen at some point because GOD doesn't let prophecies fail})

 

[WarriorLiberty]

And you are ignoring the fact that they took it in a war the arabs started, then they gave it back and only got more terrorism as thanks.
And the area actually did change hands in the Bible and GOD promised to destroy the Philistines and give the land to the Israelites if you are going to bring the Bible into this. (an odd move since that would legitimize Israel taking everything from the Nile to the Euphrates as GOD promised Moses {which never happened because of their wickedness but it will happen at some point because GOD doesn't let prophecies fail})

hands in the Bible and GOD promised

God made no such promise clown.

 

[Swordsmyth]

God made no such promise clown.

You obviously don't read the Bible, or you don't believe it.

GOD will take care of his promises and I am not defending the current state of Israel trying to make them come true, I wasn't the one who brought the Bible into this conversation, I just pointed out how dumb it was for the pro-Hamas side to do so.


[h=1]Deuteronomy 11:24[/h] “Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the river Euphrates, even unto the uttermost sea shall your coast be.”


[h=1]Joshua 1:4[/h] “From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.”

King James Version (KJV)



[h=1]Deuteronomy
Chapter 1[/h]
6 The LORD our God spake unto us in Horeb, saying, Ye have dwelt long enough in this mount:
7 Turn you, and take your journey, and go to the mount of the Amorites, and unto all the places nigh thereunto, in the plain, in the hills, and in the vale, and in the south, and by the sea side, to the land of the Canaanites, and unto Lebanon, unto the great river, the river Euphrates.
8 Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.

 

[jmdrake]

And you are ignoring the fact that they took it in a war the arabs started, then they gave it back and only got more terrorism as thanks.
And the area actually did change hands in the Bible and GOD promised to destroy the Philistines and give the land to the Israelites if you are going to bring the Bible into this. (an odd move since that would legitimize Israel taking everything from the Nile to the Euphrates as GOD promised Moses {which never happened because of their wickedness but it will happen at some point because GOD doesn't let prophecies fail})

God took Northern Israel from the Jews and gave it to the Samaritans. The current people calling themselves Jews aren't Jews.

Revelation 2:9 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Many of the founders of modern Israel were atheists.

See: https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/201...sh-state/0000017f-e918-dc91-a17f-fd9d87a00000


If you actually read your Bible you would know that atheists have no business claiming God's promises.

Example:

Leviticus 7:20-21 20 But if anyone who is unclean eats any meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the Lord, they must be cut off from their people. 21 Anyone who touches something unclean—whether human uncleanness or an unclean animal or any unclean creature that moves along the ground—and then eats any of the meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the Lord must be cut off from their people.’”

Yet you've got gay pride month in Israel.

https://www.touristisrael.com/tel-aviv-gay-pride-parade/3809/

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that people who don't believe in God and don't honor God have some special claim to land based on God's promises. I mean you can, but that's dishonest.

And that's why God TOOK Northern Israel from Judah (the Jews). You're making God into a liar. You're trying to hold God to a conditional promise that he made to the ancient Hebrews that was conditional on their own obedience and ignoring the fact the He SPECIFICALLY took Northenr Israel away from Judah because of its disobedience and now you're insisting that the rest of the world follow along with a broken convenant to reward atheists and sodomites. Sure, atheists and sodomites have a right to exist. But they do not have a special right to claim land based on a covenant that they broke.

 

[spudea]

A fact that everybody is ignoring. Gaza NEVER belonged to the Jews, not even in Bible times. It belonged to the Philistines.

So when Israel voluntarily withdrew from Gaza, they should have been happy right? Nope, they promptly implemented Hamas dictatorship and began attacking Israel and killing Jews.

 

[unknown]

One newspaper got it right.

I guess they stopped GAF after their USAid welfare got cut off.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle...nd-blew-up-america-first-20250205-p5l9s5.html

 

[unknown]

So when Israel voluntarily withdrew from Gaza, they should have been happy right? Nope, they promptly implemented Hamas dictatorship and began attacking Israel and killing Jews.

We know why but we then have to ask, why Izrael keeps creating/funding/arming groups like Hamas.

 

[unknown]

So when Israel voluntarily withdrew from Gaza, they should have been happy right? Nope, they promptly implemented Hamas dictatorship and began attacking Israel and killing Jews.

Prager U, really?

A literal Mossad front company.

 

[A. Havnes]

Both sides have been killing and burning for generations.

Trump is stepping in with a plan to put an end to it, and they are not being removed permanently, that's generous.

Most likely they will go back to killing and burning after they come back, the only real solution is for one side to win and remove the other permanently because both sides are unwilling to get along.

This is where my two problems lie. I know that my interpretation of the Founders' vision for America is different from your, according to our exchanges in other threads, anyway, but I'd like to toss my two cents into the pile for whatever it's worth.

My first problem is that I don't believe a foreign government should be taking it upon itself to dictate the lives of others. I mean, we as libertarians don't want the government forcibly moving us, temporary or permanently, so why be okay with them doing it to others? The United States shouldn't be sticking its nose into that mess at all, as far as I'm concerned, but relocating people to foreign lands (and why are we going to hoist this problem onto other people? We shouldn't be forcing other governments or their citizens to put up with this) isn't something we have the power to do.

I know, I know, Trump makes his money in real estate and development, but this still isn't something he should have the power to do, and I say that as someone who voted for Trump and like a lot of what he's done since taking office.

The second thing I have a problem with is that 'temporary' usually becomes 'permanent' when it comes to government things. Like all those bases that were just going to be temporary and all we've done since WWII is expand them. A lot of temporary policies, structures, or other decisions quickly fall into the quagmire of permanency, often with the citizens of other countries being left to deal with what we've dropped into their laps. I think this is the reason Trump doesn't suggest they temporarily relocate to America: they very quickly could become a longterm problem of ours.

That being said, I'm hopeful that this is just posturing on Trump's part, kind of like the tariffs seem to be. That's not to say he doesn't have any teeth behind what he says, but I think Trump is good at making big plans just to bring people to the negotiating table. If that's all this is, I'm a little more optimistic. If not, I think we could have a major problem.

 

[jmdrake]

So when Israel voluntarily withdrew from Gaza, they should have been happy right? Nope, they promptly implemented Hamas dictatorship and began attacking Israel and killing Jews.

You're just going to keep blithely ignoring the fact that Hamas is Netanyahu's false flag army aren't you?

We know why but we then have to ask, why Izrael keeps creating/funding/arming groups like Hamas.

^This.

 

[unknown]

You're just going to keep blithely ignoring the fact that Hamas is Netanyahu's false flag army aren't you?

He has to.

Acknowledging this basic fact, leaves the Right with zero arguments.

And it's not just "Hamas", the entire thing is laughable.

 

[Snowball]

And you are ignoring the fact that they took it in a war the arabs started

the ignorance is beyond words.

never read a book, I guess.

 

[Snowball]

Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz on Thursday ordered the military to prepare for the “voluntary departure” of Palestinians from Gaza as Israeli officials are hoping to pursue ethnic cleansing following Trump’s proposals for the enclave.

“I have instructed the IDF to prepare a plan that will allow any resident of Gaza who wishes to leave to do so, to any country willing to receive them,” Katz wrote on X.

The Times of Israel reported that Katz held a meeting with Israeli military officials to assess how to get Palestinians out of Gaza in line with Trump’s proposal.

Katz said the plan will include “exit options via land crossings, as well as special arrangements for departure by sea and air.” He said Palestinians should go to Western countries that have been critical of Israel’s genocidal tactics in Gaza.

“Countries such as Spain, Ireland, Norway, and others, which have falsely accused Israel over its actions in Gaza, are legally obligated to allow Gazans to enter their territory. Their hypocrisy will be exposed if they refuse,” Katz said.

“Meanwhile, countries like Canada, which has a structured immigration program, have previously expressed willingness to take in residents from Gaza,” he added.

The idea of Western countries taking in Palestinians from Gaza has been suggested before by Israeli officials, including Danny Danon, Israel’s current representative to the UN. While working in the Knesset, Danon co-authored an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal that argued the West should absorb Palestinians.

While Katz and other Israeli officials frame their idea as “voluntary migration,” ethnic cleansing has been the ideal outcome for the Israeli government since October 2023. Palestinians in Gaza have strongly rejected Trump’s plan to “relocate” them, meaning any plan for ethnic cleansing will require a restart of the genocidal war.

While Palestinians and Arab states have strongly rejected Trump’s proposal for a US “takeover” of Gaza, which would require ethnic cleansing, Israelis have welcomed it.

“I welcome President [Trump’s] bold initiative, which can create extensive opportunities for those in Gaza who wish to leave, assist them in resettling in host countries, and support long-term reconstruction efforts in a demilitarized, threat-free Gaza after Hamas—an effort that will take many years,” Katz said.

https://news.antiwar.com/2025/02/06...pare-for-departure-of-palestinians-from-gaza/

 

[spudea]

Prager U, really?

A literal Mossad front company.

Wtf does that have to do with the historical facts, the Arab league and the Palestinian authority have rejected every two state solution ever proposed and have always refused to accept a Jewish state even existing. And when they attack Israel, it's always Israel's fault when they defend themselves? The Jew hatred on this forum is incredible.

Just go full mask off and say you support the destruction of Israel and the deaths of Jews.