Trump wants to relocate Palestinians from Gaza..

[spudea]

You're just going to keep blithely ignoring the fact that Hamas is Netanyahu's false flag army aren't you?

I really don't see how that is relevant to the current reality. Their actions and violence should be stopped no matter who promoted them initially. The Genesis of Hamas, if it wasn't Israel, it would have been Iran or other Arab country that refuses to accept a Jewish state.

Since the CIA promoted the mujahideen against the soviets, you would say it was perfectly okay for Alqaida to kill over 3000 Americans on 9/11????

 

[Snowball]

Alqaida to kill over 3000 Americans on 9/11????

 

[WarriorLiberty]

You obviously don't read the Bible, or you don't believe it.

GOD will take care of his promises and I am not defending the current state of Israel trying to make them come true, I wasn't the one who brought the Bible into this conversation, I just pointed out how dumb it was for the pro-Hamas side to do so.


Deuteronomy 11:24

“Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the river Euphrates, even unto the uttermost sea shall your coast be.”


Joshua 1:4

“From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.”

King James Version (KJV)



Deuteronomy
Chapter 1


6 The LORD our God spake unto us in Horeb, saying, Ye have dwelt long enough in this mount:
7 Turn you, and take your journey, and go to the mount of the Amorites, and unto all the places nigh thereunto, in the plain, in the hills, and in the vale, and in the south, and by the sea side, to the land of the Canaanites, and unto Lebanon, unto the great river, the river Euphrates.
8 Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.

Those phrases were written and taken out of context

 

[unknown]

CIA promoted the mujahideen against the soviets, you would say it was perfectly okay for Alqaida to kill over 3000 Americans on 9/11????

Who wants to tell him.

 

[unknown]

I really don't see how that is relevant to the current reality. Their actions and violence should be stopped no matter who promoted them initially. The Genesis of Hamas, if it wasn't Israel, it would have been Iran or other Arab country that refuses to accept a Jewish state.

You're not getting it.

Izrael has always wanted to genocide the Palestinians and steal their land.

Which is why they (Izrael) created Hamas.

The PLO was willing to compromise.

Hamas (obviously) was not.

 

[jmdrake]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Snowball again.

 

[jmdrake]

I really don't see how that is relevant to the current reality. Their actions and violence should be stopped no matter who promoted them initially. The Genesis of Hamas, if it wasn't Israel, it would have been Iran or other Arab country that refuses to accept a Jewish state.

Since the CIA promoted the mujahideen against the soviets, you would say it was perfectly okay for Alqaida to kill over 3000 Americans on 9/11????

Let's assume absolute proof comes out that the CIA was behind 9/11. Using your logic the war in Iraq was justified because....reasons. You really didn't think that one through.

 

[Swordsmyth]

God took Northern Israel from the Jews and gave it to the Samaritans. The current people calling themselves Jews aren't Jews.

Revelation 2:9 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Many of the founders of modern Israel were atheists.

See: https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/201...sh-state/0000017f-e918-dc91-a17f-fd9d87a00000


If you actually read your Bible you would know that atheists have no business claiming God's promises.

Example:

Leviticus 7:20-21 20 But if anyone who is unclean eats any meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the Lord, they must be cut off from their people. 21 Anyone who touches something unclean—whether human uncleanness or an unclean animal or any unclean creature that moves along the ground—and then eats any of the meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the Lord must be cut off from their people.’”

Yet you've got gay pride month in Israel.

https://www.touristisrael.com/tel-aviv-gay-pride-parade/3809/

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that people who don't believe in God and don't honor God have some special claim to land based on God's promises. I mean you can, but that's dishonest.

And that's why God TOOK Northern Israel from Judah (the Jews). You're making God into a liar. You're trying to hold God to a conditional promise that he made to the ancient Hebrews that was conditional on their own obedience and ignoring the fact the He SPECIFICALLY took Northenr Israel away from Judah because of its disobedience and now you're insisting that the rest of the world follow along with a broken convenant to reward atheists and sodomites. Sure, atheists and sodomites have a right to exist. But they do not have a special right to claim land based on a covenant that they broke.

GOD never cancelled his promise, and Christ said all prophecies not yet fulfilled in him would come to pass.
And nowhere in the Bible did GOD give Northern Israel to the Samaritans.

How Jewish (religiously or genetically) the Israelis are is a matter open for debate.
But you were the one who dragged the Bible into this, I never said that Israel should take over the region based on the Bible, you undermined your own position by dragging the Bible into it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

This is where my two problems lie. I know that my interpretation of the Founders' vision for America is different from your, according to our exchanges in other threads, anyway, but I'd like to toss my two cents into the pile for whatever it's worth.

My first problem is that I don't believe a foreign government should be taking it upon itself to dictate the lives of others. I mean, we as libertarians don't want the government forcibly moving us, temporary or permanently, so why be okay with them doing it to others? The United States shouldn't be sticking its nose into that mess at all, as far as I'm concerned, but relocating people to foreign lands (and why are we going to hoist this problem onto other people? We shouldn't be forcing other governments or their citizens to put up with this) isn't something we have the power to do.

I know, I know, Trump makes his money in real estate and development, but this still isn't something he should have the power to do, and I say that as someone who voted for Trump and like a lot of what he's done since taking office.

The second thing I have a problem with is that 'temporary' usually becomes 'permanent' when it comes to government things. Like all those bases that were just going to be temporary and all we've done since WWII is expand them. A lot of temporary policies, structures, or other decisions quickly fall into the quagmire of permanency, often with the citizens of other countries being left to deal with what we've dropped into their laps. I think this is the reason Trump doesn't suggest they temporarily relocate to America: they very quickly could become a longterm problem of ours.

That being said, I'm hopeful that this is just posturing on Trump's part, kind of like the tariffs seem to be. That's not to say he doesn't have any teeth behind what he says, but I think Trump is good at making big plans just to bring people to the negotiating table. If that's all this is, I'm a little more optimistic. If not, I think we could have a major problem.

I'm not advocating for Trump's plan, I'd get us out of it completely and let the two sides fight until one or the other was wiped off the map.

I'm just clarifying that while Trump's plan may not be ideal it is far from the claims people are making about spending our blood and treasure.
It's also something he is proposing to get the arabs to make their own plan to actually solve the problem instead of keeping the conflict going forever.
As long as the conflict goes on there is a danger of some administration dragging us into it, Trump wants it to end, I don't believe it can be ended without the destruction of one side or the other.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Wtf does that have to do with the historical facts, the Arab league and the Palestinian authority have rejected every two state solution ever proposed and have always refused to accept a Jewish state even existing. And when they attack Israel, it's always Israel's fault when they defend themselves? The Jew hatred on this forum is incredible.

Just go full mask off and say you support the destruction of Israel and the deaths of Jews.

And when the arabs rabidly support the terrorists that Israel's deepstate also supports it's not their fault, it's the fault of all Israelis.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Since the CIA promoted the mujahideen against the soviets, you would say it was perfectly okay for Alqaida to kill over 3000 Americans on 9/11????

And there you have it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Those phrases were written and taken out of context

LOLOLOLOL

 

[Swordsmyth]

Who wants to tell him.

You're forgetting the Saudis and other terrorists who participated.

Same exact garbage, just because the deepstate supports the terrorists you pretend that the muslims are innocent. (that puts you on the same side as the deepstate against the American people)

 

[Swordsmyth]

Originally Posted by Snowball

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Snowball again.

Funny, I never heard Ron say the killing of thousands of Americans was justified, in fact he voted for the Afghan War and repeatedly called for Letters of Marque to go after the terrorists who did it.

This is absolutely disgusting, but at least the masks are coming off on the Hate America and the West club around here.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Let's assume absolute proof comes out that the CIA was behind 9/11. Using your logic the war in Iraq was justified because....reasons. You really didn't think that one through.

Iraq has nothing to do with anything anyone said.

 

[acptulsa]

Since the CIA promoted the mujahideen against the soviets, you would say it was perfectly okay for Alqaida to kill over 3000 Americans on 9/11????

Al Qaeda is the CIA, and everyone else here is well informed enough to know it. Al Qaeda is the CIA's way to throw a tantrum when we won't use up enough missiles to necessitate us buying more. You're saying brats should be rewarded for throwing deadly tantrums, whether you know it or not.

.Same exact garbage, just because the deepstate supports the terrorists you pretend that the muslims are innocent. (that puts you on the same side as the deepstate...)

The DS, which regularly kills Muslims by the thousands, because they want to spend our money on missiles, because some of them have petroleum, because many of us don't much like Arabs anyway so it's an easier sell than (f'rinstance) massacring cute little Thais, is on the same side as the Muslims they seem to be trying to genocide?

Now there's some twisted "logic". Are you a man or a pretzel, cultist?

I don't know if you're a professional shill or not, but you certainly are an unprofessional shill, if you can't make any more sense than that.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

LOLOLOLOL

So by your same logic did god say burn the witches?

 

[WarriorLiberty]

Al Qaeda is the CIA, and everyone else here is well informed enough to know it. Al Qaeda is the CIA's way to throw a tantrum when we won't use up enough missiles to necessitate us buying more. You're saying brats should be rewarded for throwing deadly tantrums, whether you know it or not.



The DS, which regularly kills Muslims by the thousands, because they want to spend our money on missiles, because some of them have petroleum, because many of us don't much like Arabs anyway so it's an easier sell than (f'rinstance) massacring cute little Thais, is on the same side as the Muslims they seem to be trying to genocide?

Now there's some twisted "logic". Are you a man or a pretzel, cultist?

I don't know if you're a professional shill or not, but you certainly are an unprofessional shill, if you can't make any more sense than that.

His a Trump Super Supporter...

 

[acptulsa]

His a Trump Super Supporter...

He's a lap dog, yapping in frustration at cats because he's not big enough to chase us up a tree somewhere.

He thinks joining the MAGA Cult gives him the Authority of the Crowd, and he's trying to exercise that authoritay. That's what makes him think he's entitled (like a Karen) to have his wild flights of illogic slide by without challenge (like a Karen). Remember when Obamamessiah Cultists did the exact same thing? They didn't impress us either.

 

[Snowball]

you undermined your own position by dragging the Bible into it.

No, he didn't. You just have no idea what you're talking about.

Jeremiah 3:8

And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

2 Kings 17:18-20
So the LORD was very angry with Israel, and He removed them from His presence. Only the tribe of Judah remained, / and even Judah did not keep the commandments of the LORD their God, but lived according to the customs Israel had introduced. / So the LORD rejected all the descendants of Israel. He afflicted them and delivered them into the hands of plunderers, until He had banished them from His presence.

2 Chronicles 7:19-20
But if you turn away and forsake the statutes and commandments I have set before you, and if you go off to serve and worship other gods, / then I will uproot Israel from the soil I have given them, and I will banish from My presence this temple I have sanctified for My Name. I will make it an object of scorn and ridicule among all the peoples.

GOD never cancelled his promise, and Christ said all prophecies not yet fulfilled in him would come to pass.
And nowhere in the Bible did GOD give Northern Israel to the Samaritans.

How Jewish (religiously or genetically) the Israelis are is a matter open for debate.
But you were the one who dragged the Bible into this, I never said that Israel should take over the region based on the Bible, you undermined your own position by dragging the Bible into it.

Bible and History all say Israel and Judah turned their backs on THE LORD, and THE LORD removed His protection from them.
Then, the Assyrian, Babylonian and Roman captivities occurred. The masses of Israelites never went back. Those Jews who did (Jews are not Israelites)
were left desolate also, and that's just the facts. This all took place 1,900-2,600 years ago.

https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/3-8.htm