Trump to terminate birthright citizenship

What about an EO "clarifying" what "necessary to the security of a free State" means?

This will never happen.

Because he doesnt know shit nor cares about the Constitution, individual liberties, downsizing government, eliminating agencies, cutting spending etc etc etc

Thats the difference between Obama and Trump.

Obama was evil. Trump is just retarded.
 
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That's sort of divergence from his general policy direction so far; on border Wall and other things he had been citing Israel has his model but seems he's not eager to follow Israel's birthright model also.

Also, there's no indication that this talk a week before midterm elections is just red meat for the base as part of get the vote out campaign sort of like "middle class tax cut" trial baloon released few days ago.


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Why are Puerto Ricans U.S. Citizens by Statute?

This will make Congress finally clarify what was clarified when the amendment was being discussed.
 
This will never happen.

Because he doesnt know shit nor cares about the Constitution, individual liberties, downsizing government, eliminating agencies, cutting spending etc etc etc

Thats the difference between Obama and Trump.

Obama was evil. Trump is just retarded.

+ rep.
 
Interesting. Ron Paul supported repealing birthright citizenship, but I don’t recall the details of how he wanted to do it.

Best option would be a Constitutional Amendment. That’s a high hurdle, but worth pursuing.

It seems like the courts are usually involved in interpreting the law, and constantly changing interpretation by activist courts is a problem. When the court has a wrong interpretation of the intent, is it not up to lawmakers to clarify?

An executive order to change law is not constitutional at all.
 
It won't. It will simply set the definition of "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". The argument, which is Ron Paul's argument as well, is that illegals and their children are NOT subject to the jurisdiction, and are therefore ineligible for automatic citizenship.

Interesting idea. The meaning of that language at the time it was written is key. Has the definition been changed by activist courts since it was first adopted? Constitutionally, how is that supposed to be corrected?

“Subject to the jurisdiction” is a double edged sword. Do non-citizens have the other rights guaranteed by the Constitution? Due process? No cruel and unusual punishment? IMHO, it should mean that anyone who is in the custody of US authorities is guaranteed those rights, with the exception of a war zone, where the Geneva Convention should apply.

With regard to illegal border crossing, there should be a process, even if that process consists of turning them around at the border if they are not citizens or have no valid visa.
 
Interesting. Ron Paul supported repealing birthright citizenship, but I don’t recall the details of how he wanted to do it.

Best option would be a Constitutional Amendment. That’s a high hurdle, but worth pursuing.

It seems like the courts are usually involved in interpreting the law, and constantly changing interpretation by activist courts is a problem. When the court has a wrong interpretation of the intent, is it not up to lawmakers to clarify?

An executive order to change law is not constitutional at all.

I agree. And I think it would be a good law. The only thing worse than welfare recipients being allowed to vote to steal is allowing foreigners to vote to steal. My wife is involved in this area and it's a big problem. Women come here illegally and try to have as many children as possible.

Sometimes I think it might be better if we didn't worry too much about deporting illegals, as long as their children were also illegal. They can't vote, they can't receive too much welfare, they pay sales tax and they work cheap.

Of course if the goal is socialism, this amendment would be terrible.
 
This will never happen.

Because he doesnt know shit nor cares about the Constitution, individual liberties, downsizing government, eliminating agencies, cutting spending etc etc etc

Thats the difference between Obama and Trump.

Obama was evil. Trump is just retarded.

There are a lot of liberals who would agree with you. I think we will see Ron Paul putting out a video on the topic fairly soon, but unless he has changed his mind, i suspect he will agree with the basic premise.

What he won't agree with (I hope) is that the president can just make this change via EO. Paul wanted to do it via legislation, and Trump is skipping that step.
 
Interesting idea. The meaning of that language at the time it was written is key. Has the definition been changed by activist courts since it was first adopted? Constitutionally, how is that supposed to be corrected?

During the second GOP debate held at the Ronald Reagan Library in Simi Valley, Calif., one of the CNN moderators, Jake Tapper, asked Paul, "Where do you stand on the issue of birthright citizenship?"

Paul referenced the 1898 Supreme Court case United States vs. Wong Kim Ark.

"The case that was decided around 1900 was -- people had a green card, were here legally, and they said that their children were citizens," Paul said. "There's never been a direct Supreme Court case on people who were here illegally, whether or not their kids are citizens. So it hasn't really been completely adjudicated."

The Wong Kim Ark case

Wong Kim Ark, a laborer, was born in 1873 in San Francisco. His parents were of Chinese descent but lived legally in the United States. Around age 17, he left for a temporary visit to China, and returned to the United States without incident. Then, around age 21, he left again for a visit to China, but at the end of that trip, he was denied re-entry to the United States because the collector of customs argued that he was not a U.S. citizen. (This was no small distinction -- it was the era of anti-immigrant strictures known as the Chinese Exclusion Acts.)

The Supreme Court framed the case this way in its majority decision:

The question presented by the record is whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

The majority ruled that Wong -- and others born on United States soil, with a few clear exceptions -- did indeed qualify for citizenship under the 14th Amendment, which reads in part, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." The majority wrote:

The Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States.

So what does this mean for Paul’s claim?

He is right that the facts of Wong Kim Ark didn’t concern illegal immigrants who had a child while on U.S. soil. Rather, Wong’s parents were in the United States legally when he was born.

"Sen. Paul is correct," said Stephen Yale-Loehr, a Cornell University law professor. "Wong Kim Ark was a child of parents who resided legally in the United States. The Supreme Court has not ruled explicitly on a citizenship case involving children born in the United States to undocumented parents."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...aul-says-legality-birthright-citizenship-not/
 
Again, this wont be removing the 14th amendment, it will be a matter of finally adjudicating what it means. As has already been done many times in regards to the 2nd amendment.

Progs are having conniption fits. They say birth right citizenship is absolutely decided in the way the 14th was written. I tell them I think the second amendment was absolutely decided in the way it was worded, but that didn't stop SCOTUS from ruling that there is a right, but that the right is limited. "BUT THAS DIFFERENT! THIS IS RACISSS!!!" I get such a chuckle out of them.
 
Interesting. Ron Paul supported repealing birthright citizenship, but I don’t recall the details of how he wanted to do it.

Best option would be a Constitutional Amendment. That’s a high hurdle, but worth pursuing.

It seems like the courts are usually involved in interpreting the law, and constantly changing interpretation by activist courts is a problem. When the court has a wrong interpretation of the intent, is it not up to lawmakers to clarify?

An executive order to change law is not constitutional at all.

I don't see it that way since it is an interpretation. Is it not the executive branch that bestows citizenship officially on people? If so, then it would be in his purview to say, have the govt cease bestowing citizenship on children of illegals or nonresidents. Then those people can sue to try to get citizenship and have it adjudicated.
 
Progs are having conniption fits. They say birth right citizenship is absolutely decided in the way the 14th was written. I tell them I think the second amendment was absolutely decided in the way it was worded, but that didn't stop SCOTUS from ruling that there is a right, but that the right is limited. "BUT THAS DIFFERENT! THIS IS RACISSS!!!" I get such a chuckle out of them.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-President-Donald-Trump&p=6700607#post6700607
 
I don't see it that way since it is an interpretation. Is it not the executive branch that bestows citizenship officially on people? If so, then it would be in his purview to say, have the govt cease bestowing citizenship on children of illegals or nonresidents. Then those people can sue to try to get citizenship and have it adjudicated.

Yup.
 
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