Trump takes the bait? How will Paul respond?

Rand doesn't go out of his way to attack Christie though, like he is doing for Trump. His clash with Christie was a pure substantive debate, and it might as well have been against any of the neocons who have the same position.

Right. The thing with Christie was a response to a question asked by the moderators involving Christie and Rand.

It wasn't just Rand deciding "we should go after Christie and attack down". It was during a debate.

Christie said that Rand should be held responsible if there is another terrorist attack. What was Rand supposed to do?
 
I think Trump gained a lot of support attacking Lindsey Graham, who was polling at zero.

Yeah but that's Lindsey Graham, the joke candidate.

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The slogan is stolen from Ronald Reagan. I can't believe people actually think Trump came up with it himself.
 
My impression was that Cruz won more not fighting him. Look at the post debate polls.

Waiting for Trump to implode and then take his voters would've been a smarter thing for Rand. It will be hard for Rand to get Trump voters after he trashed their candidate.

Yeah, I agree.
 
That's awful advice. I don't understand your thinking at all. Why Rand? Let Bush go after Trump. Don't you see FOX wants Rand and Trump out, so they are letting those two take each other down. Seriously, I don't understand this strategy.

Worst of all it does nothing to increase Rand's own popularity, so even if Trump implodes, the benefit goes to everyone else. If Rand wants to displace The Donald as the anti-establishment candidate, how about, oh I don't know, attack the establishment. Cruz did a much better job of that in the debate even though he got less time to talk when he mentioned how McConnell blocked his amendment that would have set a 5 year prison term for previously deported illegals re-entering the country. If you are running a populist, anti-establishment campaign, everything boils down to us (the grass roots) vs them (the establishment). Not only is Rand failing to attack them, he's now serving as the attack dog for the guy who most effectively is.
 
I can't figure out this whole Trump thing. I mean the guy is a giant D-bag. He talks tough about a wall and all that crap, but heaven forbid if any such wall would ever be built, you can bet your arse that it would eventually be used to keep us in. Shrink government and end the welfare state… there is your wall.

Is his support all about the criminal aliens and his loudmouth?

P.S. It is kind of embarrassing that there are RPforumites supporting this crank.

70% of Trump's strength is because he's a celebrity. A lot of conservatives are desperate for celebrity leadership. If he were some other businessman, he would not be doing this well and not getting this much coverage.

The rest is because he's tapped into real anger--people have felt ignored on immigration until Trump came along. Of course, Trump isn't going to do anything one way or another on immigration. It's only a matter of time before people realize it.
 
This is actually awesome. Trump's comeback serves as proof that Rand is right. Trump has no real substance. He only knows how to insult people.
 
I think this is a prime example of "any news is good news". The more Trump attacks Paul, the more Paul will get the opportunity to be heard.
The Rand Paul team has clearly made a calculation. And it's too late to turn back now, so let's blast forward full speed ahead, don't stop can't stop attacking Trump

Rand should just relentlessly attack the living crap out him every chance he gets. Show no quarter and expose him as the crank that he is.
 
Wrong again. This is a very wise move. If Rand can credited with leading the charge against Trump, especially by calling him out for his fake-conservatives, then this gives Rand conservative and Republican cred, and also gives him aggressive and leadership qualities.

Exactly, not only does this move have the potential to fire up Rand's own supporters who typically are more issue/substance driven, but it also goes to shore up his image with the traditional republican base who finds Trumps antics despicable. I personally think this move will get Rand's base more involved, but also move Rand up as the 2nd choice among many candidates. Not to mention causing negatives to go down and positives to go up.
 
My impression was that Cruz won more not fighting him. Look at the post debate polls.

Waiting for Trump to implode and then take his voters would've been a smarter thing for Rand. It will be hard for Rand to get Trump voters after he trashed their candidate.

And I think that was Rand's original strategy. I think the fact that he knew he was gonna be ignored at the debate caused him to change his strategy. He didn't know he would get the chance to fight with Christie. He figured he had to do something to get attention. And now it's done. He may as well go all in and become the anti-Trump.
 
Trump is nothing more than the drunk uncle we all have talking mad trash.... the difference is he has money and some popularity as a soap box... sad thing is people are actually talking him seriously.
 
I would love an ad that has Trump and dollar amounts to all the democrats he has contributed to and the destructive policies flashing on the screen, then Rand asks for Trump to show his long form Conservative Credentials. He could make it an online only ad and spend a few thousand but get his supporters to make it viral and do interviews on Fox News getting coverage for it.
 
To those saying Rand should've just waited in line for Trump to implode, I agree with you but the truth is Rand needs to get in a long line of other candidates who were patiently waiting to pick up the pieces. I suppose the campaign made a decision to go full out and be the spearhead.

He is making a great case though. Again, he doesn't want the low info voters because they will disappear and are not even reliable supporters.
 
Waiting for Trump to implode and then take his voters would've been a smarter thing for Rand. It will be hard for Rand to get Trump voters after he trashed their candidate."

Unfortunately there are five other candidates out there waiting for the exact same thing to happen. Who's to say Rand is going to get all those votes?

Hell, what does Rand have to lose? He's at five percent in the polls right now and if he keeps going at this rate he may not be in any future debates if there are any cutoffs. And I think Rand knows that Trump has stolen a lot of his support (look at this RPF for example) and he's probably taking it personally. I don't blame him for attacking Trump because he knows he'll get a response at least and it keeps him in the news. After basically calling John McCain a coward and Megyn Kelly a bimbo, guess what? Trump hasn't imploded . You can't just sit there assume things are going to happen because of some unwritten rule book about politics that says candidates like Trump will always implode. Sometimes you've got to make it happen and Trump falls due to anything Rand does, I know a lot of party brass and conservative establishments types will be very grateful, perhaps even enough to support him.
 
Exactly, not only does this move have the potential to fire up Rand's own supporters who typically are more issue/substance driven, but it also goes to shore up his image with the traditional republican base who finds Trumps antics despicable. I personally think this move will get Rand's base more involved, but also move Rand up as the 2nd choice among many candidates. Not to mention causing negatives to go down and positives to go up.

Totally agree. There are still a larger percentage of Republican voters that don't like Trump or what he is doing.

Wake up the ones that have yet to pay attention and rally the ones that already don't like him.

No kidding. I am usually a lurker here, but I've had to get the old account out to drop some econ 101 on these protectionists in some of the other threads. Its maddening that we should have to do that here, of all places on the internet. lol.

This is actually awesome. Trump's comeback serves as proof that Rand is right. Trump has no real substance. He only knows how to insult people.

And I think that was Rand's original strategy. I think the fact that he knew he was gonna be ignored at the debate caused him to change his strategy. He didn't know he would get the chance to fight with Christie. He figured he had to do something to get attention. And now it's done. He may as well go all in and become the anti-Trump.

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Thank you for dusting off the old account. Please continue to post more. :cool:
 
Waiting for Trump to implode and then take his voters would've been a smarter thing for Rand. It will be hard for Rand to get Trump voters after he trashed their candidate."

Unfortunately there are five other candidates out there waiting for the exact same thing to happen. Who's to say Rand is going to get all those votes?

Hell, what does Rand have to lose? He's at five percent in the polls right now and if he keeps going at this rate he may not be in any future debates if there are any cutoffs. And I think Rand knows that Trump has stolen a lot of his support (look at this RPF for example) and he's probably taking it personally. I don't blame him for attacking Trump because he knows he'll get a response at least and it keeps him in the news. After basically calling John McCain a coward and Megyn Kelly a bimbo, guess what? Trump hasn't imploded . You can't just sit there assume things are going to happen because of some unwritten rule book about politics that says candidates like Trump will always implode. Sometimes you've got to make it happen and Trump falls due to anything Rand does, I know a lot of party brass and conservative establishments types will be very grateful, perhaps even enough to support him.

I think Trump actually has a decent core of supporters who won't easily change because of his personality cult. Trump will be sticking around for some time and he will continue to be an extreme nuisance to the rest of the field and continue hogging up attention.
 
I have a novel take on what is going on here and I just want to let all of the Trump people and those worried about Rand taking this approach as to why this is a risky, albeit necessary move.

The primary issue that people have with Rand is that, if you'll pardon the expression, they think he's a complete wimp. As much as I utterly detest Frank Luntz, those idiots in his focus group talking about boots on the ground in Iraq are the average, rank and file GOP voter. They like Rand on economics, but they literally think he has no balls at all. Trump's appeal is little more than the old cliche that every woman loves the alpha male , and every man admires the alpha male. Trump has appeal because he is oozing massive amounts of testosterone, all of this crap about immigration, building a wall, and all that other nonsense is incidental, even and including the case of Ann Coulter, who seems to have actually discovered her womanhood over Trump's ascendancy.

Now, likewise consider that everybody unwilling to take on Trump in that debate also looked like wimps, particularly Sgt. Stutter (Bush). Trump isn't going down in the polls because nobody has the testicular fortitude to stand nose to nose with the guy, Lindsey Graham is a closeted drag-queen that everybody laughs at save John McCain and a few Democrats that he pals around with, and Rick Perry is a cross between a dunce-cap toting fool and the court jester, aka the guy no one will take seriously. None of these people have the credibility to be effectual in hitting Trump and come off as male feminists while doing so, and the rest are largely laying low like good little beta males hoping that the alpha stumbles so they can pick up his crumbs.

In light of all this, Rand has the opportunity to become the alpha by taking down Trump, and if he does so, the rest of the pack will be forced to come after him and all eyes will be on him. The biggest risk is that if Rand succeeds early, he may peak too soon, but eventually somebody has to put an end to this nonsense, and given the blackout going on against Rand, it's a risk worth taking.

To everybody else, the pro-Trump people like jj and AuH20 are not criticizing Rand because he's actually flipping on anything, they are criticizing Rand because he's not spewing liquid testosterone out of his mouth like Trump has. This whole "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" and "no more immigration period" thing requires ZERO thought, but it does require balls. These 2 and the others will fall in line if Paul demonstrates that he has both balls and brains, the latter department Trump has in a noticeable deficit, provided he is successful of course.
 
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