Trump Promises a “100% Tariff” on Cars Made Outside the US

[nobody's_hero]

Protectionists always say this. It doesn't work that way.

It's like thinking that if they take water out of one side of the swimming pool, you can just avoid experiencing any affects of that by staying on the other side of the pool.

Are we even in the same pool though?

I mean, if you want to talk about Chinese impact on me, I'm more affected by real estate speculation than the automotive industry.

Not really concerned about the plight of Big Chinese Auto not being able to sell their cars in the USA, but if you wanna die on that hill, go right ahead.

 

[Snowball]

I am a protectionist at heart but I just think there are bigger issues that he deflects on.
It's a feel-good issue meant to rally around the Made in the USA banner, meanwhile most everything is still made elsewhere.

Two generations have gone past early working age when factory jobs are undertaken since the implosion.

American young adults these days don't want to work in factories. They want to leech off the big gov until their late 20's.
Then around half of them still want to leech off the big gov.

 

[unknown]

There is a world of difference between low, uniform tariffs as a means of funding a government instead of other forms of taxation & debt, and protectionist tariffs that aid one industry at the expense of others while harming all consumers. If you're going to cite Ron Paul on these forums, you better not get it twisted.

Except that's the harm. You won't even recognize the impact protectionism does to you. It drives up the costs for the American consumer, which means he has fewer dollars in his pocket to spend on the things that WILL impact you.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CaptUSA again."

 

[unknown]

Trump is retarded.

If by some miracle, he does get back in, dismantle the goddamm tyranny State.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Put up a 10,000 foot wall around entire country and forget the rest of the world exists

And we will have flying cars and utopia in America by 2050

We might even have jet packs by that time too as well.

 

[tebowlives]

Sounds like fake news. Why are you reading CNN?

At the rally, Trump was talking about China building auto manufacturing plants in Mexico. Trump said he would put a 100% tariff on those cars.

A lot of foreign auto manufacturers build right here in the US. Those would not receive any tariffs.

All cars made by the Chinese or those in Mexico because of what Trump sees as unbalanced trade with Mexico?

The reason cars are so expensive right now is largely due to government regulations on automobiles, which apply to imported cars. Forcing environmental standards and electric vehicle standards, as well as cash for clunkers which was an Obama era policy.

The available cars at the junkyard, for my needs, dropped by over 50% not long after that was implemented. It hurt the poor the most since they are the ones who are more likely to drive the older cars.

 

[tebowlives]

We might even have jet packs by that time too as well.

Still wont have a Super Bowl banner hanging in Minnesota.

 

[TheTexan]

We might even have jet packs by that time too as well.

But none that can go over 10,000 ft cus those are only made in japan

 

[Swordsmyth]

Ron Paul:

“Then we get into manipulating trade,” Paul said, referring to the import tariffs Trump imposed on China that started the 15-month-long trade war between the two nations.

“We’re so far removed from capitalism,” the former congressman said. “Yet we get blamed,” he added. “Socialists come in and say, ‘See what you guys did to our economy.’”

To find balance in the markets, Paul said the U.S. needs to cut spending, get rid of the federal deficit and stop the Fed from “pretending they can do economic planning.”


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/11/ron...tariffs-give-socialists-some-credibility.html

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Ron is wrong about free trade, and there is no capitalism in trading with communists who use slave labor.

 

[Swordsmyth]

There is a world of difference between low, uniform tariffs as a means of funding a government instead of other forms of taxation & debt, and protectionist tariffs that aid one industry at the expense of others while harming all consumers. If you're going to cite Ron Paul on these forums, you better not get it twisted.



Except that's the harm. You won't even recognize the impact protectionism does to you. It drives up the costs for the American consumer, which means he has fewer dollars in his pocket to spend on the things that WILL impact you.

Protectionist tariffs protect America's independence and liberty from communists and globalists who seek to reduce us to interdependence in a world government scheme.

 

[CCTelander]

Protectionist tariffs protect America's independence and liberty from communists and globalists who seek to reduce us to interdependence in a world government scheme.

Protectionist tariffs do nothing of the kind.

What they actually DO do is to enfeeble the “protected” businesses by shielding them from the need to compete, just like any other form of welfare does, needlessly punish American consumers just like any other tax and do absolutely nothing to impede the globalist agenda.

As usual on economics you couldn’t be more wrong.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Protectionist tariffs do nothing of the kind.

What they actually DO do is to enfeeble the “protected” businesses by shielding them from the need to compete, just like any other form of welfare does, needlessly punish American consumers just like any other tax and do absolutely nothing to impede the globalist agenda.

As usual on economics you couldn’t be more wrong.

Bunk.
Free trade causes exactly what we see it does and what its prophets promise it will do, it divides industries up between nations and causes their destruction in nations with less natural advantage in them, this leaves each nation fragile with a shallow and narrow industrial base.
We can have all the competition we need within the country and that with strengthen our economy and industrial base instead of causing it to atrophy.

Free trade is a weapon of the globalists that seduces Boomer types to sell the farm and eat the seed corn for short term hedonism while pulling up the ladder they climbed from younger generations and leaving a desolate economy ruled by international oligarchs who reduce the middle and working classes to the lowest common denominator of slave labor in the world.

 

[acptulsa]

Ron is wrong...

If he ever is, you won't be the scholar who first notices.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Government taking a cut off of everything being produced and or sold, is a huge extortion of the economy. I look at state sales tax that extort a huge percentage right off the top for doing nothing and mandate the business owner do all the paperwork and submit it accurately or face fines and penalties. Meanwhile the business is bordering on collapse.
Only solution is to end government as we know it.

 

[TheTexan]

Protectionist tariffs do nothing of the kind.

What they actually DO do is to enfeeble the “protected” businesses by shielding them from the need to compete, just like any other form of welfare does, needlessly punish American consumers just like any other tax and do absolutely nothing to impede the globalist agenda.

As usual on economics you couldn’t be more wrong.

Which part do you disagree with?

1) Free trade leads to the division of industries between nations, or
2) That the above division of industries creates an "interdependence" on each other

???

#1 is basically a core tenet of free trade, and #2 is a pretty obvious side effect of #1

You can certainly take a position that #2 is not in of itself a bad thing, but I don't see any rational argument that denies that #2 follows #1, which is what SS is asserting

 

[TheTexan]

Free trade is a weapon of the globalists that seduces Boomer types to sell the farm and eat the seed corn for short term hedonism while pulling up the ladder they climbed from younger generations and leaving a desolate economy ruled by international oligarchs who reduce the middle and working classes to the lowest common denominator of slave labor in the world.

Yep, the US sold its farms and machinery and factories, in exchange for purple dildos and plastic lawn chairs.

Not a wise decision for the future.

 

[oyarde]

no subsidies for ev junk , ever. that'll do it probably

 

[CaptUSA]

This is what protectionism wrought:



This is my hometown. I used to work at the mill. So did my grandfather and 2 uncles. But notice how they act like welfare queens? They need more government protections to save them from previous government protections. And this is type of business that is supposed to GAIN from protectionism!

Those that are harmed have no idea what caused their hardships.

 

[TheTexan]

This is what protectionism wrought:



This is my hometown. I used to work at the mill. So did my grandfather and 2 uncles. But notice how they act like welfare queens? They need more government protections to save them from previous government protections. And this is type of business that is supposed to GAIN from protectionism!

Those that are harmed have no idea what caused their hardships.

I watched that video and my takeaway was the opposite. They're complaining about a DOE regulation that's putting them out of business.

Seems like a valid complaint to me.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

no subsidies for ev junk , ever. that'll do it probably

Is Tesla junk? If so, what makes it junk?