Trump on torture: 'We have to beat the savages'

[CaptUSA]

If that is what he wanted, I totally disagree with him. Totally. But, I don't believe that is what he wanted. He knew that U.S. companies could not compete with all the regulations in place.

Well then, you disagree with Paul. I don't have time to pull you all the information right now, but his problem with the trade deals was the sovereignty issues and the multi-lateral agreements. He always advocated for removing our barriers to trade regardless of what other countries may do. He understood that there are two sides to a trade.

"We don't need government agreements to have free trade. We merely need to lower or eliminate taxes on the American people, without regard to what other nations do" - Ron Paul

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Free_Trade.htm

While I agree with his position from a moral and economic standpoint, I think the removing of our barriers can be used as leverage for our trading partners to do the same. We should do it regardless, but the action of removing them can provide additional benefits if performed with an eye to the larger global implications.

 

[LibertyEagle]

All of that is utterly awful. Why anyone who is "pro-liberty" could support Trump is baffling to me. I'm way too hyper-socially conservative to count as "libertarian" anymore but even I'm way more libertarian than Trump.

I'll tell you how.

Trump is the only Republican talking about our horrible trade deals. The only one. The others just want to pass more of them.

Trump opened up the discussion about the illegal alien invasion of our country. Illegal aliens who are getting free healthcare, free education, welfare, etc. And now, with some states giving them driver's licenses, I wouldn't be surprised if they were voting in our elections.

I disagree with him about a number of other issues, but those two above, even if he did nothing else, would make him one of the best presidents in my lifetime.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I'll tell you how.

Trump is the only Republican talking about our horrible trade deals. The only one. The others just want to pass more of them.

Trump opened up the discussion about the illegal alien invasion of our country. Illegal aliens who are getting free healthcare, free education, welfare, etc. And now, with some states giving them driver's licenses, I wouldn't be surprised if they were voting in our elections.

I disagree with him about a number of other issues, but those two above, even if he did nothing else, would make him one of the best presidents in my lifetime.

Yeah... that issue wherever you stand on it does NOT outweigh everything else.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well then, you disagree with Paul. I don't have time to pull you all the information right now, but his problem with the trade deals was the sovereignty issues and the multi-lateral agreements. He always advocated for removing our barriers to trade regardless of what other countries may do. He understood that there are two sides to a trade.

He wanted OUT of them. Since that isn't going to happen, a renegotiation of them is the next best thing.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah... that issue wherever you stand on it does NOT outweigh everything else.

Yeah, it does, when you know the alternative, Cruz, is a fricking traitor who would double down on those two things.

You can sit there and wait for perfection in motion, but for me, I don't think we have much time left at all. This is my hail Mary.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Yeah, it does, when you know the alternative, Cruz, is a fricking traitor who would double down on those two things.

You can sit there and wait for perfection in motion, but for me, I don't think we have much time left at all. This is my hail Mary.

I'm not voting for Cruz. But Trump is a loose cannon. And he clearly does not support liberty at ANY level.

 

[CaptUSA]

He wanted OUT of them. Since that isn't going to happen, a renegotiation of them is the next best thing.

Um no. Ron Paul didn't like the trade deals because governments just get in the way of free trade. That's the polar opposite of Trump. Trump wants MOAR restrictions. And he wants to use the force of government to achieve his whims. Hell, that statement applies to trade, torture, little old lady houses, internets, and pretty much any other thing you could imagine.

Seriously, if you supported Ron Paul for the right reasons, you cannot possibly support Trump for those same reasons. The only logically consistent position would be that you want Trump to screw things up so badly that people will see how stupid it is. (believe me, while this is logically consistent, I think it's wrongheaded. Unfortunately, there are lots of people who feel this way.)

 

[Christian Liberty]

Yeah, it does, when you know the alternative, Cruz, is a fricking traitor who would double down on those two things.

You can sit there and wait for perfection in motion, but for me, I don't think we have much time left at all. This is my hail Mary.

I understand, I suppose. I just don't think any candidate can fix it. Even Trump

 

[kahless]

The anti-Trump RPF cabal group think peer pressure prevents people like Christian Liberty from strategically deciding for whatever reason to vote for Trump. It is not going to happen since they are corralling that vote to globalist Cruz.

The same folks that pretend to be Paul supporters consistently support open borders and globalism. Now they are supporting the globalist Goldman Sachs candidate which is essentially their Bush III. What does that tell you about who these members really are and why they are here.

Ron Paul warns Republicans not to vote for Ted Cruz
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-warns-republicans-not-to-vote-for-ted-cruz/

Ron Paul: Cruz 'owned by Goldman Sachs'
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...9-ron-paul-on-cruz-hes-owned-by-goldman-sachs

 

[Christian Liberty]

The anti-Trump RPF cabal group think peer pressure prevents people like Christian Liberty from strategically deciding for whatever reason to vote for Trump. It is not going to happen since they are corralling that vote to globalist Cruz.

The same folks that pretend to be Paul supporters consistently support open borders and globalism. Now they are supporting the globalist Goldman Sachs candidate which is essentially their Bush III. What does that tell you about who these members really are and why they are here.

People like Christian Liberty don't vote as a matter of principle and are only still here because we happen to like certain people that are here and used to be here holding different ideologies than we used to. People like Christian Liberty would never in a million years vote for Trump or Cruz.
I do happen to think Trump is the worst though. He's that angry internet troll that doesn't actually object to anything of substance, but is nevertheless just mad.

 

[CaptUSA]

The anti-Trump RPF cabal group think peer pressure prevents people like Christian Liberty from strategically deciding for whatever reason to vote for Trump. It is not going to happen since they are corralling that vote to globalist Cruz.

The same folks that pretend to be Paul supporters consistently support open borders and globalism. Now they are supporting the globalist Goldman Sachs candidate which is essentially their Bush III. What does that tell you about who these members really are and why they are here.

Ron Paul warns Republicans not to vote for Ted Cruz
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-warns-republicans-not-to-vote-for-ted-cruz/

Ron Paul: Cruz 'owned by Goldman Sachs'
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...9-ron-paul-on-cruz-hes-owned-by-goldman-sachs

Yeah, because it's one or the other...

Ron Paul wouldn't vote for either of these clowns and neither will we. Try again.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Trump on torture: 'We have to beat the savages'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/politics/donald-trump-torture/index.html

LOL. Classic. One thing that Trump always gets right is his attacks on the "dishonest" media.

For those who didn't bother to watch the interview, it was the interviewer who introduced the term "savages". And Trump being the seat of his pants, top of his head, stream of consciousness, loose cannon speaker always falls right into those traps. Makes for great headlines though.

And perhaps I'm wrong, but I take it for granted that everyone understood that the term "beat" is being used as a synonym for "defeat", not for physically beating people (although Trump would probably support that too).

 

[kcchiefs6465]

The anti-Trump RPF cabal group think peer pressure prevents people like Christian Liberty from strategically deciding for whatever reason to vote for Trump. It is not going to happen since they are corralling that vote to globalist Cruz.

The same folks that pretend to be Paul supporters consistently support open borders and globalism. Now they are supporting the globalist Goldman Sachs candidate which is essentially their Bush III. What does that tell you about who these members really are and why they are here.

Ron Paul warns Republicans not to vote for Ted Cruz
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-warns-republicans-not-to-vote-for-ted-cruz/

Ron Paul: Cruz 'owned by Goldman Sachs'
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...9-ron-paul-on-cruz-hes-owned-by-goldman-sachs

Actually, they can all fuck off.

I know it's blasphemy against your God, government, but you really don't have to vote for any of them.

 

[AuH20]

 

[timosman]

LOL. Classic. One thing that Trump always gets right is his attacks on the "dishonest" media.

For those who didn't bother to watch the interview, it was the interviewer who introduced the term "savages". And Trump being the seat of his pants, top of his head, stream of consciousness, loose cannon speaker always falls right into those traps. Makes for great headlines though.

And perhaps I'm wrong, but I take it for granted that everyone understood that the term "beat" is being used as a synonym for "defeat", not for physically beating people (although Trump would probably support that too).

Trump should be smarter than this though. When will somebody clue him in?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Trump should be smarter than this though. When will somebody clue him in?

His bumbling has created controversy and coverage. It has been to his benefit, so there is no incentive for him to change. No doubt many people have warned him, and he is well aware of the traps. But changing his essential personality will never happen, so he is lucky that it has played in his favor for the most part up till now.

 

[phill4paul]

kahless kahless is online OFFLINE now

Temporary Ban

Good on someone. Thanks for the respite.

 

[tonyaustin]

I can't view videos at work and thought this was real. OP or admin should change thread title.

 

[timosman]

I can't view videos at work and thought this was real. OP or admin should change thread title.

I did, but it did not change the summary or the URL. I think only mods can do that.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Um no. Ron Paul didn't like the trade deals because governments just get in the way of free trade. That's the polar opposite of Trump. Trump wants MOAR restrictions. And he wants to use the force of government to achieve his whims. Hell, that statement applies to trade, torture, little old lady houses, internets, and pretty much any other thing you could imagine.

Seriously, if you supported Ron Paul for the right reasons, you cannot possibly support Trump for those same reasons. The only logically consistent position would be that you want Trump to screw things up so badly that people will see how stupid it is. (believe me, while this is logically consistent, I think it's wrongheaded. Unfortunately, there are lots of people who feel this way.)

He wants to reduce corporate taxes to 15%. He wants to get rid of a lot of regulations. Even to the point of abolishing the EPA. I don't like the tariff idea, but we either get out of the damn trade agreements all together, or the trade has to be balanced.