Trump on torture: 'We have to beat the savages'

[LibertyEagle]

The anti-Trump RPF cabal group think peer pressure prevents people like Christian Liberty from strategically deciding for whatever reason to vote for Trump. It is not going to happen since they are corralling that vote to globalist Cruz.

The same folks that pretend to be Paul supporters consistently support open borders and globalism. Now they are supporting the globalist Goldman Sachs candidate which is essentially their Bush III. What does that tell you about who these members really are and why they are here.

Ron Paul warns Republicans not to vote for Ted Cruz
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-warns-republicans-not-to-vote-for-ted-cruz/

Ron Paul: Cruz 'owned by Goldman Sachs'
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...9-ron-paul-on-cruz-hes-owned-by-goldman-sachs

Why was he banned? A lot of what he said was true. At least from a few posters.

EDIT: This is the 2016 Presidential Candidates forum. If you don't want the other candidates to be spoken of, get rid of the forum.

It would be another thing if we had a candidate still in the race, but the fact is that we do NOT.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

He wants to reduce corporate taxes to 15%. He wants to get rid of a lot of regulations. Even to the point of abolishing the EPA. I don't like the tariff idea, but we either get out of the damn trade agreements all together, or the trade has to be balanced.

A regular Monsieur Industriel.

Would you go as far as subsidizing Ohio banana farmers? You know, in the name of fair trade.

 

[LibertyEagle]

A regular Monsieur Industriel.

Would you go as far as subsidizing Ohio banana farmers? You know, in the name of fair trade.

I wouldn't give anyone subsidies. Period.

 

[Occam's Banana]

LMAO ... "voting to destroy the establishment" is like "fucking to preserve virginity" - it may feel good, but it ain't ever gonna work ...



ETA: This is why we can't have nice things.

It isn't because of the Clintons or the Bushes or the Obamas or the McConnells or the Pelosis, et cetera ad infinitum et nauseam.

It's because of all the people who think that using the system's rules to ask for change will somehow change the system ...

 

[timosman]

A regular Monsieur Industriel.

Would you go as far as subsidizing Ohio banana farmers? You know, in the name of fair trade.

They are already subsidized - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_policy_of_the_United_States

 

[fcreature]

Um no. Ron Paul didn't like the trade deals because governments just get in the way of free trade. That's the polar opposite of Trump. Trump wants MOAR restrictions. And he wants to use the force of government to achieve his whims. Hell, that statement applies to trade, torture, little old lady houses, internets, and pretty much any other thing you could imagine.

Seriously, if you supported Ron Paul for the right reasons, you cannot possibly support Trump for those same reasons. The only logically consistent position would be that you want Trump to screw things up so badly that people will see how stupid it is. (believe me, while this is logically consistent, I think it's wrongheaded. Unfortunately, there are lots of people who feel this way.)

It amazes me that people are mistaking Ron Paul's view that there is too much government involvement in trade for one that advocates for more government involvement. Paul wants free, unrestricted trade between all nations. He does not want the government to "renegotiate" trade deals in our favor by imposing tariffs, taxes, and regulations.

Trump is the polar opposite of Paul on this issue and if any of you "libertarians" cannot see this, well then you were never a libertarian to begin with.

The anti-Trump RPF cabal group think peer pressure prevents people like Christian Liberty from strategically deciding for whatever reason to vote for Trump. It is not going to happen since they are corralling that vote to globalist Cruz.

The same folks that pretend to be Paul supporters consistently support open borders and globalism. Now they are supporting the globalist Goldman Sachs candidate which is essentially their Bush III. What does that tell you about who these members really are and why they are here.

Ron Paul warns Republicans not to vote for Ted Cruz
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-warns-republicans-not-to-vote-for-ted-cruz/

Ron Paul: Cruz 'owned by Goldman Sachs'
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...9-ron-paul-on-cruz-hes-owned-by-goldman-sachs

Oh please. The Trumpkins on here create thread after thread and post lie after lie in attempt to get the rest of us on board with their authoritarian leader. This forum is more Trump than it is anything else right now. To accuse those of us who are anti-trump of pushing Cruz is laughable. How many Cruz threads are there? The few Cruz discussions that there are consist of most people only commenting how Cruz is a better option than Trump. Not of advocacy for his campaign or relentless pumping of it. Most of us who express this view even preclude it by saying we're not supporting or voting for the man.

If there is a cabal here it is the small pro-Trump crowd who has done their best to be as loud as possible and to take over the forum.

Yes, we know that Paul does not support Cruz. Thank you for those links. Here are a couple more.

Ron Paul: Donald Trump a ‘Dangerous Person’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ron-paul-donald-trump-a-dangerous-person/

Ron Paul: ‘Donald Trump Is an Authoritarian and He Brags About It’
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015...mp-is-an-authoritarian-and-he-brags-about-it/

You one issue border voters are really starting to sound ridiculous. Just because we see Trump for the fraud he is, does not mean we are for "open borders" or "globalism". Your obsession with this issue is starting to give credence to those who call you racists.

 

[invisible]

It amazes me that people are mistaking Ron Paul's view that there is too much government involvement in trade for one that advocates for more government involvement. Paul wants free, unrestricted trade between all nations. He does not want the government to "renegotiate" trade deals in our favor by imposing tariffs, taxes, and regulations.

Trump is the polar opposite of Paul on this issue and if any of you "libertarians" cannot see this, well then you were never a libertarian to begin with.




Oh please. The Trumpkins on here create thread after thread and post lie after lie in attempt to get the rest of us on board with their authoritarian leader. This forum is more Trump than it is anything else right now. To accuse those of us who are anti-trump of pushing Cruz is laughable. How many Cruz threads are there? The few Cruz discussions that there are consist of most people only commenting how Cruz is a better option than Trump. Not of advocacy for his campaign or relentless pumping of it. Most of us who express this view even preclude it by saying we're not supporting or voting for the man.

If there is a cabal here it is the small pro-Trump crowd who has done their best to be as loud as possible and to take over the forum.

Yes, we know that Paul does not support Cruz. Thank you for those links. Here are a couple more.

Ron Paul: Donald Trump a ‘Dangerous Person’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ron-paul-donald-trump-a-dangerous-person/

Ron Paul: ‘Donald Trump Is an Authoritarian and He Brags About It’
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015...mp-is-an-authoritarian-and-he-brags-about-it/

You one issue border voters are really starting to sound ridiculous. Just because we see Trump for the fraud he is, does not mean we are for "open borders" or "globalism". Your obsession with this issue is starting to give credence to those who call you racists.

THIS!
At one time, any racism here was subtle, and couched in the guise of a libertarian argument of some sort. Now it's blatant, right in your face, without even the false pretense of a libertarian argument. And it's coming from the very same people who are now attempting to turn this place into trumpette central.

 

[AuH20]

LMAO ... "voting to destroy the establishment" is like "fucking to preserve virginity" - it may feel good, but it ain't ever gonna work ...



ETA: This is why we can't have nice things.

It isn't because of the Clintons or the Bushes or the Obamas or the McConnells or the Pelosis, et cetera ad infinitum et nauseam.

It's because of all the people who think that using the system's rules to ask for change will somehow change the system ...

Working within the system can never truly defeat the system, but it can show others how futile it can be to play the game. The farther we push Trump, the more likely they steal it from him. I'm going to continue to tirelessly drag the Trojan Horse up to the enemy's gates, knowing full well they are going to burn it down. The impending steal is the great payoff we've been waiting for, possibly more valuable than a Ron Paul and Rand Paul presidency combined. Delegitimization is one of the unstoppable ideas that bring down empires.

 

[phill4paul]

I wouldn't give anyone subsidies. Period.

Trump's all in for ethanol subsidies/mandates.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

THIS!
At one time, any racism here was subtle, and couched in the guise of a libertarian argument of some sort. Now it's blatant, right in your face, without even the false pretense of a libertarian argument. And it's coming from the very same people who are now attempting to turn this place into trumpette central.

It seems that the user you are accusing of being racist is on a time-out. Does that address your complaints?

 

[kahless]

......You one issue border voters are really starting to sound ridiculous. Just because we see Trump for the fraud he is, does not mean we are for "open borders" or "globalism". Your obsession with this issue is starting to give credence to those who call you racists.

There are people here I have debated for months that do in fact promote "open borders". Perhaps you missed those posts.

I have not promoted Trump here but rather agree or disagree on certain issues as I do with all the candidates good or bad. Unfortunately these discussions have become problematic to the point of emotional hysterics and false accusations against forum members when it comes to discussing Trump's policies. I was simply pointing out in some cases the motivations of some here are suspect.

It is really sad that people are making the leap to racism over agreeing with the Trump-Session immigration policies. If Trump was not in the race, media and political forums would be doing the same to Rand, like they have done in the past to both of them.

They are really not that far off, just off the top of my head.

Trump/Rand - enforce the law and end sanctuary city funding. Trump supports deportation.
Trump/Rand - border wall/fence.
Trump/Rand - end birthright citizenship.
Trump - moratorium on Muslim immigration, Rand - moratorium from all terrorist nations.

So I think people need to be careful here with the racist accusations against forum members over immigration policy since Rand still has a Senate race win. You may think you are taking down Trump in the process but you could very well be doing the same to Rand in the process.

 

[kahless]

THIS!
At one time, any racism here was subtle, and couched in the guise of a libertarian argument of some sort. Now it's blatant, right in your face, without even the false pretense of a libertarian argument. And it's coming from the very same people who are now attempting to turn this place into trumpette central.

It seems that the user you are accusing of being racist is on a time-out. Does that address your complaints?

False accusation and was uncalled for! My reply to this is the same as my reply above this one.

 

[invisible]

False accusation and was uncalled for! My reply to this is the same as my reply above this one.

If someone uses a racial slur, that's called racism. Calling out and exposing racists is never uncalled for. How is this any different than repelling the stormfronter invasion that happened back in late 2007 and early 2008? If you remember, it didn't last long, because the racism wasn't tolerated.

 

[unknown]

This is who/what Trump is. He believes in violence, in coercion.

This is nothing new for our government. They have embarked on a campaign of constant war since WW2, from the Korean "Conflict" right up to current day.

But Trump is taking the decades of violent programming/brainwashing and amplifying it. He's tapped into this visceral hate and has brought it bubbling over to the surface.

And its not unique to either side (although arguably Trump's support comes from GOP voters). During OWS, those on the Right were overjoyed to see these protesters getting skull stomped by the police. Likewise, Liberals couldnt be more pleased with the killing of LaVoy Finicum.

When the "protesters" at his rally were being escorted out, Trump was saying something like "good, good, get em outta here". Trump's not going to say "let 'em stay, theyre not hurting anyone, heck maybe they'll learn something".

Trump is an authoritarian, theres no doubt about it. He sincerely believes in and fully endorses the "power" of the State.

If you take issue with Trump ie authority/government, you're the enemy. His JBTs will be sure to treat you like the piece of shit that you are.

 

[kahless]

If someone uses a racial slur, that's called racism. Calling out and exposing racists is never uncalled for. How is this any different than repelling the stormfronter invasion that happened back in late 2007 and early 2008? If you remember, it didn't last long, because the racism wasn't tolerated.

You are either confusing me with another forum member or are a liar. I have never used a racial slur nor would I. Racism is the antithesis of my Christian beliefs.

Again, using false allegations of racism as a tactic against forum members supporting the Trump-Sessions immigration policy could very well back fire on Rand due to similarities in policy. I remind you Rand is running for Senate in the Republican party.

We lose credibility using lies like the SJW's on the left. We are better than that here.

 

[invisible]

You are either confusing me with another forum member or are a liar. I have never used a racial slur nor would I. Racism is the antithesis of my Christian beliefs.

Again, using false allegations of racism as a tactic against forum members supporting the Trump-Sessions immigration policy could very well back fire on Rand due to similarities in policy. I remind you Rand is running for Senate in the Republican party.

We lose credibility using lies like the SJW's on the left. We are better than that here.

I never said that you used a racial slur. That was someone else. You have someone else confused with yourself, lol.