Trump indictment #4: 2020 election RICO conspiracy [Fulton county GA]

[CaptUSA]

What if you found out you were wrong and Trump knew running for President was a bad business decision that would cost him a lot of money, but he did it anyway for his children and grandchildren and great grandchildren? Because he knew if our country was destroyed, the money would mean nothing?

Would that turn everything you thought about Trump on it's head?

I mean, maybe.... But in order for that to happen, he'll have to answer for further indebting our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren to that same government.

 

[Occam's Banana]

What if you found out you were wrong and Trump knew running for President was a bad business decision that would cost him a lot of money, but he did it anyway for his children and grandchildren and great grandchildren? Because he knew if our country was destroyed, the money would mean nothing?

Would that turn everything you thought about Trump on it's head?

Did you really just ask someone, "What if you found out you were wrong about X, and X was actually something completely different from what it is (or what you thought it is) - would that turn what you though about X on its head?"

Because that's a Sam-Harris-level of tendentious "what-if"-ery (where X = "Trump" instead of "COVID and the vaccines").

 

[PAF]

What if you found out you were wrong and Trump knew running for President was a bad business decision that would cost him a lot of money, but he did it anyway for his children and grandchildren and great grandchildren? Because he knew if our country was destroyed, the money would mean nothing?

Would that turn everything you thought about Trump on it's head?

[MENTION=10908]dannno[/MENTION] ! That’s it! You changed my mind! I can’t wait to finally vote for him!!!

And all this time I never got it!!!


/s lol

 

[dannno]

Did you really just ask someone, "What if you found out you were totally wrong about X ... Would that turn what you though about X on its head?"

Because that's some Sam-Harris-style BS (where X = "COVID and the vaccines" instead of "Trump").

In no universe was the vaccine helpful to young people and children.. if I found out it was helpful, on average, for people over, say, 70 or 75, I wouldn't change my opinion that it was insane to give it to young people and children and try and force it on everybody else.

That said, CaptUSA would have to re-arrange his entire ideology and thoughts about everything Trump did if he found out his one very basic assumption he had about Trump was completely incorrect. It wouldn't mean he would agree with all his policies, I don't.. but I also understand that for Trump to help preserve our country he needed another term and to keep Democrats and Biden out of the White House. So, for example, he needed to get re-elected.. and in my opinion, COVID was released on purpose by the deep state, at a specific time, to ensure that Trump was not re-elected. Sure, they had other objectives as well, but they could have done that any time. They chose that specific time to get rid of Trump.

Trump's actions during COVID were, for the most part, pretty good.. he was advocating for opening the economy, screaming about it, constantly. If you don't remember, I do. It was the governors that shut down the country. Trump would have looked like a dictator if he forced the states to re-open, he wouldn't have gotten elected. He would have looked like a soulless monster if he didn't give people economic relief from the governors shutting down the economy. The governors never would have re-opened said economy if they didn't get a vaccine out. So he had to make a lot of poor decisions to get re-elected, to solve a problem that was artificially foisted on the entire world in the name of getting him out of office. You can agree or disagree with what he did, but ultimately, in my opinion, he did get the votes to be re-elected. Unfortunately the Democrats cheated so hard and put so many policies in place for mail in voting that he couldn't overcome it.

As far as record spending, a lot of that was COVID. Some wasn't.. but Trump is President, not dictator, he had to work with congress on spending issues and there were some goals he had for infrastructure and other things that he thought would create a softer landing when the bubble burst. Was he right? I don't know.. we will never know because in a better world COVID wouldn't have been unleashed and he would now be nearing the end of his second term. Maybe he was wrong, maybe the best course of action was to just end spending and dump the economic bubble asap - but would he have been re-elected and allowed to pursue more of his goals? Probably not, if the economy dumped..

 

[dannno]

@dannno ! That’s it! You changed my mind! I can’t wait to finally vote for him!!!

And all this time I never got it!!!


/s lol

That wasn't meant to change your mind, it's meant to create a thought experiment so you can better understand Trump's actions, even if you still don't agree with them.

You would have to think through the thought experiment a bit before it became more clear. I'm not entirely sure you are capable, maybe you are, but some people are.

 

[nobody's_hero]

That said, CaptUSA would have to re-arrange his entire ideology and thoughts about everything Trump did if he found out his one very basic assumption he had about Trump was completely incorrect. It wouldn't mean he would agree with all his policies, I don't.. but I also understand that for Trump to help preserve our country he needed another term and to keep Democrats and Biden out of the White House. So, for example, he needed to get re-elected.. and in my opinion, COVID was released on purpose by the deep state, at a specific time, to ensure that Trump was not re-elected. Sure, they had other objectives as well, but they could have done that any time. They chose that specific time to get rid of Trump.
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Well, dannno, the good news is, that the reason they are giving Trump all this coverage is because they want him to get re-elected. You see, it's all an elaborate ploy by TPTB. They had the guy in office that they wanted in 2016, so they rigged an election in 2020 to kick him out, so they could later indict him in 2023, which would galvanize people to come out and vote for him in 2024. Unless, *hear me out*, they actually manage to successfully charge and convict him to prevent him from running for office, which of course, is also part of the plan. [this is, I believe what OB means by 'unfalsifiable', when you set up a theory so that no matter the outcome, you cannot be wrong]

The reasons they did this are quite clear:

[insert a variety of reasons that we can shoehorn into our own personal theories so that we don't have to admit that we're making no damn sense at all]

Understand now?

You're a smart man Dannno, you should have been able to figure this out. It's so obvious.

 

[Occam's Banana]

In no universe was the vaccine helpful to young people and children.. if I found out it was helpful, on average, for people over, say, 70 or 75, I wouldn't change my opinion that it was insane to give it to young people and children and try and force it on everybody else.

That said, CaptUSA would have to re-arrange his entire ideology and thoughts about everything Trump did if he found out his one very basic assumption he had about Trump was completely incorrect. It wouldn't mean he would agree with all his policies, I don't.. but I also understand that for Trump to help preserve our country he needed another term and to keep Democrats and Biden out of the White House. So, for example, he needed to get re-elected.. and in my opinion, COVID was released on purpose by the deep state, at a specific time, to ensure that Trump was not re-elected. Sure, they had other objectives as well, but they could have done that any time. They chose that specific time to get rid of Trump.

Trump's actions during COVID were, for the most part, pretty good.. he was advocating for opening the economy, screaming about it, constantly. If you don't remember, I do. It was the governors that shut down the country. Trump would have looked like a dictator if he forced the states to re-open, he wouldn't have gotten elected. He would have looked like a soulless monster if he didn't give people economic relief from the governors shutting down the economy. The governors never would have re-opened said economy if they didn't get a vaccine out. So he had to make a lot of poor decisions to get re-elected, to solve a problem that was artificially foisted on the entire world in the name of getting him out of office. You can agree or disagree with what he did, but ultimately, in my opinion, he did get the votes to be re-elected. Unfortunately the Democrats cheated so hard and put so many policies in place for mail in voting that he couldn't overcome it.

As far as record spending, a lot of that was COVID. Some wasn't.. but Trump is President, not dictator, he had to work with congress on spending issues and there were some goals he had for infrastructure and other things that he thought would create a softer landing when the bubble burst. Was he right? I don't know.. we will never know because in a better world COVID wouldn't have been unleashed and he would now be nearing the end of his second term. Maybe he was wrong, maybe the best course of action was to just end spending and dump the economic bubble asap - but would he have been re-elected and allowed to pursue more of his goals? Probably not, if the economy dumped..

 

[CaptUSA]

...and in my opinion, COVID was released on purpose by the deep state, at a specific time, to ensure that Trump was not re-elected. Sure, they had other objectives as well, but they could have done that any time. They chose that specific time to get rid of Trump.

Are you saying that we got Covid because Trump was in the White House? Because, what do you think they'll do next time?!!

Sounds like a great plan you've got worked out, there.

 

[dannno]

Are you saying that we got Covid because Trump was in the White House? Because, what do you think they'll do next time?!!

Sounds like a great plan you've got worked out, there.

We got Covid in late 2019/early 2020 because of Trump. I'm only saying that the timing of the pandemic was due to getting rid of Trump. They had many other objectives as well, it was a global pandemic. But they were more broad goals and less timely.

 

[69360]

I'm so tired of all these ridiculous arguements. Trump is a criminal. Even if the current administration are also criminals, which I believe they are, and are prosecuting him for political reasons, which I also believe they are, it doesn't make Trump not guilty. It make him a criminal who got caught. If this is setting a precedent, it's a good one and means the current crime family in charge will also be taken down once they are out of power.

 

[Intrepid]

Well, dannno, the good news is, that the reason they are giving Trump all this coverage is because they want him to get re-elected. You see, it's all an elaborate ploy by TPTB.

These shenanigans I am approve.

I believe Trump is a planned event, put in place to further ignite division.

 

[CaptUSA]

We got Covid in late 2019/early 2020 because of Trump. I'm only saying that the timing of the pandemic was due to getting rid of Trump. They had many other objectives as well, it was a global pandemic. But they were more broad goals and less timely.

No, no... I get it. And I agree. But do you want to answer the second question? Because that's the one that matters.

Danno, your premises are all jumbled.

You think they stole the 2020 election from Trump. So do I. Well, there were no repercussions so won't they do it again?
You think they leveraged the pandemic because Trump to get Trump out. Sure. But what will they do next time?!?

And you think this is the guy to support to save America?! Because I'm not seeing it. In fact, it was quite the opposite. Some due to Trump's pen, and some against his own selfish desires. But in both cases, we got screwed bigly. The only reason I can fathom that you're still on that train is because it gives you some sense of self-satisfaction while the country burns.

 

[PAF]

We got Covid in late 2019/early 2020 because of Trump. I'm only saying that the timing of the pandemic was due to getting rid of Trump. They had many other objectives as well, it was a global pandemic. But they were more broad goals and less timely.

Regardless of Covid or any other healthg concern, the only and proper response from any president, especially a conservative, should be "Government Has No Business in Healthcare, Go Seek Your Own Private Physician". You do NOT create yet another Federal Agency and hire Bill Gates'/Big Pharm stooges. Period.

 

[dannno]

Regardless of Covid or any other healthg concern, the only and proper response from any president, especially a conservative, should be "Government Has No Business in Healthcare, Go Seek Your Own Private Physician". You do NOT create yet another Federal Agency and hire Bill Gates'/Big Pharm stooges. Period.

That is 100% correct, if your goal is to not get re-elected in 2020.

 

[TheCount]

What if you found out you were wrong and Trump knew running for President was a bad business decision that would cost him a lot of money, but he did it anyway for his children and grandchildren and great grandchildren? Because he knew if our country was destroyed, the money would mean nothing?

Would that turn everything you thought about Trump on it's head?

Your fanfics are getting a lot shorter and less inspired.

 

[acptulsa]

Well, dannno, the good news is, that the reason they are giving Trump all this coverage is because they want him to get re-elected. You see, it's all an elaborate ploy by TPTB. They had the guy in office that they wanted in 2016, so they rigged an election in 2020 to kick him out, so they could later indict him in 2023, which would galvanize people to come out and vote for him in 2024. Unless, *hear me out*, they actually manage to successfully charge and convict him to prevent him from running for office, which of course, is also part of the plan. [this is, I believe what OB means by 'unfalsifiable', when you set up a theory so that no matter the outcome, you cannot be wrong]

The reasons they did this are quite clear:

[insert a variety of reasons that we can shoehorn into our own personal theories so that we don't have to admit that we're making no damn sense at all]

Understand now?

You're a smart man Dannno, you should have been able to figure this out. It's so obvious.

Are you saying that we got Covid because Trump was in the White House?

We got Covid in late 2019/early 2020 because of Trump.

Effect does not prove causation. So, nobody's_hero, I can't tell you why. I can't even tell you I'm sure that they wanted to switch presidents in the middle of the big, fat jab rollouts in hopes that Trump fans would call it the Trumpzine and keep taking it. Though I do feel pretty damned sure of that.

I'm proud a goodly number of Republicans fooled them.

All I can tell you is, I've been watching them swing the two party pendulum for a long time, and they get a lot of nasty shit done that way.

Tell me this: Do you think the SCOTUS ruled so damned quick on Bush v. Gore because they wanted Republicans to be gung ho about the two new wars they were planning, or because they thought Gore would shut 9/11 down? I do not think Al Gore could have put the Patriot Act over.

A strong view of history adds perspective...

Does Trump in, Trump out, Trump in again make sense? Right now Republicans are so stirred up that President Trump could sell the U.S.S. Teddy Roosevelt to China two years from now and they wouldn't raise an eyebrow. The more you people hop around when a Democrat is in the White House, the sounder you sleep when there isn't. If they take your binky away, then give it back, WWIII couldn't wake most of you up.

Yes, they took Binky. Don't worry. Inside eighteen months, you'll have your soft orange Binky back. They're probably already making t-shirts that say, 45/47.

 

[dannno]

Tell me this: Do you think the SCOTUS ruled so damned quick on Bush v. Gore because they wanted Republicans to be gung ho about the two new wars they were planning, or because they thought Gore would shut 9/11 down?

A strong view of history adds perspective...

9/11 was a neocon plan, they wanted to be in charge.

Gore may have come out looking weak, Republicans wouldn't have been as gung ho on the whole thing with him in charge, the left may have faltered.

Bush/Cheney allowed for the most false-patriotic reaction, to get the most anti-civil rights legislation passed, the most wars started.

They got a lot more done with Bush/Cheney.

What baffled me was how anti-Bush the left was at the time, many calling out Bush regime, with a largely complicit media. The only guy we had on our side in the media it seemed is one of the most insane people on the planet, Keith Olberman. But the left in general seemed very anti-war and anti-Bush. Then Obama came in claiming to be the peace candidate, and nobody gave a shit that he expanded wars and expanded the Patriot Act.

But I think it was important to them to have the groundwork laid by the people in charge of the plot.

 

[nobody's_hero]

These shenanigans I am approve.

I believe Trump is a planned event, put in place to further ignite division.

I believe the division is coming from the media/deep state, and people are erroneously blaming Trump for it.

If conservatives sat on their asses, sewed their mouths shut, never came outside their houses to show their faces in public, they would still be today's scapegoat. If you ignore them, they win by default. If you fight them, you're "being divisive."

I give you the most "divisive" president in American history:

 

[nobody's_hero]

Tell me this: Do you think the SCOTUS ruled so damned quick on Bush v. Gore because they wanted Republicans to be gung ho about the two new wars they were planning, or because they thought Gore would shut 9/11 down? I do not think Al Gore could have put the Patriot Act over.

Maybe, maybe not.

Interesting to note: Gore was at least allowed to have his grievances about election irregularities heard in court, even all the way to the SCOTUS. That is something Trump was not permitted. Every case was thrown out, while the entirety of the MSM (okay okay, only like 95%) constantly used phrases like 'unproven claims of election fraud' or 'false claims of blah blah blah', basically conditioning readers and viewers to reach a conclusion before they even mentioned the details (if at all) in the body of their reports. Social media buried every story that could have possibly benefited Trump, while hyping up Biden who, when the cameras panned, was giving speeches in front of a few dozen people sitting in chairs with those ridiculous social-distancing circles painted on the ground around them; Meanwhile Trump was filling arenas and having grassroots boat parades that were so huge, the wake was causing some boats to capsize.

And you would have me believe, that Trump is the man they 'give free media coverage to', because they super-secretly want him to be president?

It cannot be, in every case, from every angle, true.

 

[acptulsa]

And you would have me believe, that Trump is the man they give free media coverage to, because they super-secretly want him to be president?

It cannot be, in every case, from every angle, true.

Ever read Sinclair Lewis?

When fascism consumes America it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross. And most Republicans will welcome it with open arms, as the compromise with a lesser evil that may save a lot of children from getting sexually mutilated, if they keep their word this time.