Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months Than Obama Did in 8 Yea

[Origanalist]

Sociopaths gonna act sociopathically?

Well, it couldn't be to create more terrorists. I mean only someone who profits from war would do that. And we all know nobody profits from war, right?

 

[Raginfridus]

Post #13

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Did-in-8-Yea&p=6582702&viewfull=1#post6582702


This is by no means definitive.. Both sides are skewed. I have no idea how many civilians have been killed, and you are right that 1 is too many. I do know that I attribute A LOT more deaths to Obama than what they say, since he created and funded ISIS.. and I am pretty sure Trump wants to keep things under control, he was fairly consistently anti-war for many years.. but I think he wanted to take a hard stand against ISIS and some of these countries and then review after they have been given a chance to fight and win and hopefully decide that it isn't worth it and end a lot of these conflicts... the sooner the better.

Obomber gave JSOC too much free reign, maybe to the point of exhaustion. In fairness to any subsequent President, DOD and CIA operations may be so entangled any President would be hard-pressed clarifying just what the hell's getting blown up today. A village? A mall? An airstrip?

 

[CCTelander]

Well, it couldn't be to create more terrorists. I mean only someone who profits from war would do that. And we all know nobody profits from war, right?

Nah, THAT couldn't be it.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Obomber gave JSOC too much free reign, maybe to the point of exhaustion. In fairness to any subsequent President, DOD and CIA operations may be so entangled any President would be hard-pressed clarifying just what the hell's getting blown up today. A village? A mall? An airstrip?

Trump ceded control over drone strikes to the CIA.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/trump-admin-wants-increase-cia-drone-strikes-n802311

Trump Administration Wants to Increase CIA Drone Strikes

WASHINGTON — When President Donald Trump visited CIA headquarters in the first weeks of his presidency, he toured the secure floor where agency officers direct drone strikes against suspected terrorists, current and former U.S. officials told NBC News.

Impressed by what he saw, Trump conveyed to incoming CIA Director Mike Pompeo and the assembled agency officers that he wanted them to take a more aggressive posture, according to two current U.S. officials and one former official briefed on the visit.

Soon afterward, multiple sources said, the CIA began carrying out drone strikes that might not have been authorized under the Obama administration, including in Syria, where the military has taken the lead on targeting militant leaders.

The White House granted CIA officers more autonomy to decide on whether and when the U.S. can pull the trigger in various places around the world, including in Yemen, where the military carries out the bulk of the airstrikes, according to four U.S. officials who have been briefed on the agency's counterterrorism operations. The upshot is less micromanaging of targeting decisions by the White House, these officials say.

Now, the Trump administration is contemplating additional policy changes that will further expand the CIA's authority to conduct drone strikes in a number of countries, both in and out of war zones. Such a move would reverse years of effort by President Barack Obama to reduce the CIA's role in targeted killing and shift that responsibility to the military. It could also mean more civilian casualties in CIA drone strikes.

 

[acptulsa]

Trump ceded control over drone strikes to the CIA.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/trump-admin-wants-increase-cia-drone-strikes-n802311

Better than being Kennedyed by the CIA, is it not?

I notice he didn't release any useful information about Dealey Plaza, either. They seem to have their bluff in. Not that it is a bluff.

 

[pcosmar]

Trump ceded control over drone strikes to the CIA.

And they have a track record. and none of it good from inception.

Nothing Good.

 

[XNavyNuke]

Anyone who kills from afar is no friend of freedom.

Trump is the worst thing that could have happened to America. Now people cheer and wave flags and read his tweets and think that everything he does is nothing short of glorious.

Absolutely! When Ben Franklin wrote the Pennsylvania Committee of Safety in 1775 to call for the production of pikes, it was not doubt due to the ability of muskets to slay at a distance. To look ones foe in the eye as you slide steel through their ribs and sever the aortic arch - that is patriotism.

XNN

 

[oyarde]

F- on this issue.

Morally reprehensible and counterproductive.

All you do is make more "terrorists".

Agreed .

 

[XNavyNuke]

Eisenhower didn't start any new major wars. Neither did Kennedy, Carter, or even Nixon (unless you count this war on us and our freedoms).

Raimondo is, as usual, full of $#@!. Even so, it's a bit early for you Trumpsters to brag, don't you think? Truman didn't start Korea in his first year in office. Trump has plenty of time, and plenty of irons in the fire.

Yes, let's just give Ike a pass on sending the first military advisors to Vietnam. Kennedy never deployed the 3rd MEU to Thailand. Nixon didn't authorize an airlift to supply Israel during the Yom Kippur war. And Saint Jimmy never ever snuck supplies into Zaire in support of our dictator against rebels. Nary a dead civilian anywhere.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1977/04/22/tanks-asked-for-zaire/cc4bcd07-033e-40a3-855d-77dacbe6c348/?utm_term=.02b0d38c85e2

XNN

 

[acptulsa]

Yes, let's just give Ike a pass on sending the first military advisors to Vietnam. Kennedy never deployed the 3rd MEU to Thailand. Nixon didn't authorize an airlift to supply Israel during the Yom Kippur war. And Saint Jimmy never ever snuck supplies into Zaire in support of our dictator against rebels. Nary a dead civilian anywhere.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1977/04/22/tanks-asked-for-zaire/cc4bcd07-033e-40a3-855d-77dacbe6c348/?utm_term=.02b0d38c85e2

XNN

I'm not saying any of them deserve 'a pass'. I'm just not classifying those things as 'major new wars' the way Raimondo appears to be doing.

If Eisenhower's activity in Vietnam, for example, is classified as starting a major new war, then it's way, way too soon for Raimondo or anyone else to be saying that Trump hasn't started a major new war. He has done things already which could mushroom in a similar manner later.

 

[TheCount]

Dannno, maybe this will cheer you up: Via Justin Rainmondo:

No new wars... unless you count ground operations in Yemen.

 

[timosman]

Nah, THAT couldn't be it.

WHAT?!

 

[enhanced_deficit]

If this is confirmed, he will be DGP 2.0.

Maybe GOP base darling Bannon had a point, GOP-Javanka wing is not good.

If predators are killing civilian children of colored races too, Ivanka is going to speak out against that very forcefully.

 

[timosman]

How soon are we going to die?

 

[TheCount]

This article claims that one study showed 95% of Airwars casualties were non-credible:



https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar..._reporting_101_check_your_sources_112395.html


Here is a prequel to that article:

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/civilian-casualties-and-media

You're going to take deep state propaganda over Soros propaganda? How does one determine, between those two, which is best?

 

[Wooden Indian]

The people got the leader and policies they deserve. FFS, "liberty" people on this very forum jumped at the chance to align themselves with Trump, The LP nominated Gary Johnson again (and are now distancing themselves from Ron himself), Rand Paul was largely ignored, and a far as I could tell had little to no grassroots movement.

Liberty ain't just dead, they killed it, buried it, dug it up, sodomized it, then lit it on fire.

That's what pisses me off about people like ol danno here. Fighting idiotic liberals back is one thing... but traitors to freedom is another.

Congrats, America. You broke liberty, ya bunch of assholes. And this is why we can't have nice things.

 

[nikcers]

Congrats, America. You broke liberty, ya bunch of $#@!s. And this is why we can't have nice things

RIP
June 8, 1967

 

[CCTelander]

Hey retard, read the fucking article

https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar..._reporting_101_check_your_sources_112395.html

The author is claiming that the sources are non-credible because some high ranking army officer said they aren't. Why the fuck should we believe what he says? The guy has been unapologetically serving in the terrorist US military his whole life. What does the author consider to be verified military strikes? Only if there's an official Pentagon report stating a strike occurred in X location with Y civilian deaths?

Maybe because high ranking US military officials have such a long history of telling the absolute, unvarnished truth regarding actual civilian casualties? No? No, I couldn't even type that with a straight face. It's just more horseshit government lies. Business as usual.

Read this article found on the same site

https://www.realcleardefense.com/20...us_military_airstrikes_unreported_290120.html

So 1000s of airstrikes go unreported officially by the military, but at the same time, 95% of the strikes reported by other sources are fake. How does this make any sense? It's obvious the Airwars figures are far more accurate than the absolute bullshit you are swallowing without question.

I note that the very same sources were perfectly acceptable when it was Obama's drone strikes under discussion. Now all of a sudden they're suspect? Hmmm.

 

[CCTelander]

Eisenhower didn't start any new major wars. Neither did Kennedy, Carter, or even Nixon (unless you count this war on us and our freedoms).

Raimondo is, as usual, full of shit. Even so, it's a bit early for you Trumpsters to brag, don't you think? Truman didn't start Korea in his first year in office. Trump has plenty of time, and plenty of irons in the fire.

Yeah, the whole "no new major wars" claim has a very good chance of proving to be utter bullshit. Bush didn't invade Iraq until over halfway through his first term. Trump has, so far, been doing an excellent job of seriously antagonizing both Russia and China. If he does wind up getting us into another major war it will almost certainly be a GREAT war. The GREATEST. With the greatest cassualties. It'll be YUUUUGE.

 

[TheCount]

I suppose I should give you credit for that. But that was about as easy a prediction as forecasting that the national debt would go up today.

Yeah, but I was ahead of them (dannno posting group) by just 5 minutes. That's something.