Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months Than Obama Did in 8 Yea

[dannno]

The denial is what I’m talking about.

Fake made up data? Who cares if they hyper inflate the numbers (unlikely)

What’s more likely is that they didn’t accurately report civilian deaths from the previous administration. But even that is kinda iffy- there plenty of reports to verify civilian deaths and blatant lies would be exposed.

There are no reports to the contrary.

But even still- my position is that even one death is murder and that one murder would put most of us in prison. For the life of me, I can’t understand what makes you think Rand has any influence other than phony tweets from your god man himself. Trump will do what he wants. He tells a grand story but his god is money.

Wrong. One report revealed that 95% of the civilian deaths by Airwars were not verifiable.

In an age where the media lies about Trump EVERY SINGLE DAY... and clearly the deep state is against him, and clearly Soros is an enemy of Trump, I don't know why you would deny the possibility they could be fabricated.

The bigger picture is that Trump is helping pass Rand's legislation. A lot of it. So if Trump's foreign policy is better than Obama's, and he is helping pass Rand's legislation, then you can't really say Trump is the worst thing that could have happened to America.. in fact it is a great thing to be heading in the right direction. Of course we can do better, we need to work towards that, but we don't need to throw it for the socialists either because they are not non-violent people.

 

[acptulsa]

In b4 dannno says it's all soros propaganda.

Well you probably haven't gotten to the part of the thread where I posted the article that claims 95% of these civilian casualties are non-verifiable and is coming straight from George Soros propaganda -

I suppose I should give you credit for that. But that was about as easy a prediction as forecasting that the national debt would go up today.

 

[bunklocoempire]

Just 1 person killed could get you or me life in prison for premeditated murder.

The numbers “could be padded” so it’s ok? Yea let’s just blow it off.

The first person killed in the name of “freedom” should be reason enough to have trump hanged.

Do you believe it’s ok to kill others who have done nothing to you?

+ rep

Mankind is sooo hung up on grading on a curve and denying individual accountability to avoid self-examination. Been there done that, and the temptation is always there.

 

[dannno]

True, you don't need a weather prediction to know that I was going to go out and post the truth on RPF today..

 

[asurfaholic]

Wrong. One report revealed that 95% of the civilian deaths by Airwars were not verifiable.

In an age where the media lies about Trump EVERY SINGLE DAY... and clearly the deep state is against him, and clearly Soros is an enemy of Trump, I don't know why you would deny the possibility they could be fabricated.

The bigger picture is that Trump is helping pass Rand's legislation. A lot of it. So if Trump's foreign policy is better than Obama's, and he is helping pass Rand's legislation, then you can't really say Trump is the worst thing that could have happened to America.. in fact it is a great thing to be heading in the right direction. Of course we can do better, we need to work towards that, but we don't need to throw it for the socialists either because they are not non-violent people.

Can you post the report? I’d like to read it.

It’s not past me that the media would lie about trump. But I don’t think they’d throw their beloved MIC under the bus. If the reports are true regarding the numbers of civilian casualties the damage could be the population turns against the war machine. I don’t see that happening but then again I’m not sure about anything the media says or does.

I do understand where you are coming from. I don’t blame you for your position of compromise, maybe trump isn’t the worst thing, but I try to view things in black and white. It’s my personal opinion that one evil isn’t worth a hundred good things.

Politically my biggest issue is foreign policy. Domestic issues are important, but foreign policy kills and gets people killed. An arrogant twat could start ww3 and while some people may cheer it, I do not ever want to experience it. I can’t sleep at night knowing Americans are drone bombing and providing material support for terrorists in the Middle East with the goal of causing mayhem.

 

[dannno]

+ rep

Mankind is sooo hung up on grading on a curve and denying individual accountability to avoid self-examination. Been there done that, and the temptation is always there.

Is anybody here doing that?

I mean, ya, I would rather live in a country that gets a B+ on liberty than a D-, how about you?

That doesn't mean we shouldn't work toward a better grade, but do you throw the B+ candidate out of office to trade for a D- candidate? Is that how we get liberty?

 

[afwjam]

Scared weak pussies kill innocents like this.

 

[acptulsa]

True, you don't need a weather prediction to know that I was going to go out and post the truth on RPF today..

When Jack Nicholson said, 'You can't handle the truth,' he was only sort of talking to you.

If he had been talking directly to you, he would have said, 'You wouldn't know the truth if assurfaholic bit you on the ass with it!'

 

[dannno]

Can you post the report? I’d like to read it.

Post #13

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Did-in-8-Yea&p=6582702&viewfull=1#post6582702


This is by no means definitive.. Both sides are skewed. I have no idea how many civilians have been killed, and you are right that 1 is too many. I do know that I attribute A LOT more deaths to Obama than what they say, since he created and funded ISIS.. and I am pretty sure Trump wants to keep things under control, he was fairly consistently anti-war for many years.. but I think he wanted to take a hard stand against ISIS and some of these countries and then review after they have been given a chance to fight and win and hopefully decide that it isn't worth it and end a lot of these conflicts... the sooner the better.

 

[dannno]

When Jack Nicholson said, 'You can't handle the truth,' he was only sort of talking to you.

If he had been talking directly to you, he would have said, 'You wouldn't know the truth if assurfaholic bit you on the ass with it!'

Uhh, ok, so George Soros has nothing to do with funding Airwars according to you

And George Soros has absolutely no reason to oppose Trump, according to you

Who is it that can't handle the truth again?

 

[Influenza]

Wrong. One report revealed that 95% of the civilian deaths by Airwars were not verifiable.

In an age where the media lies about Trump EVERY SINGLE DAY... and clearly the deep state is against him, and clearly Soros is an enemy of Trump, I don't know why you would deny the possibility they could be fabricated.

The bigger picture is that Trump is helping pass Rand's legislation. A lot of it. So if Trump's foreign policy is better than Obama's, and he is helping pass Rand's legislation, then you can't really say Trump is the worst thing that could have happened to America.. in fact it is a great thing to be heading in the right direction. Of course we can do better, we need to work towards that, but we don't need to throw it for the socialists either because they are not non-violent people.

Hey retard, read the fucking article

https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar..._reporting_101_check_your_sources_112395.html

The author is claiming that the sources are non-credible because some high ranking army officer said they aren't. Why the fuck should we believe what he says? The guy has been unapologetically serving in the terrorist US military his whole life. What does the author consider to be verified military strikes? Only if there's an official Pentagon report stating a strike occurred in X location with Y civilian deaths?

Read this article found on the same site

https://www.realcleardefense.com/20...us_military_airstrikes_unreported_290120.html

So 1000s of airstrikes go unreported officially by the military, but at the same time, 95% of the strikes reported by other sources are fake. How does this make any sense? It's obvious the Airwars figures are far more accurate than the absolute bullshit you are swallowing without question.

 

[acptulsa]

Uhh, ok, so George Soros has nothing to do with funding Airwars according to you

And George Soros has absolutely no reason to oppose Trump, according to you

Who is it that can't handle the truth again?

Don't put your shit in my mouth, dannno.

I don't give a rat's ass how much effort you waste trying to cover up the fact that you actually believed Trump would cut down on the foreign corporate warfare-welfare, and he clearly has not, by blathering about George Soros. You're going to do that, and I'm going to laugh at you while you do it. That part is all good.

But don't put your shit in quotation marks and attribute it to me along the way. Just don't do it. I know they teach that in troll kindergarten. But don't do it to me.

 

[asurfaholic]

Post #13

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Did-in-8-Yea&p=6582702&viewfull=1#post6582702


This is by no means definitive.. Both sides are skewed. I have no idea how many civilians have been killed, and you are right that 1 is too many. I do know that I attribute A LOT more deaths to Obama than what they say, since he created and funded ISIS.. and I am pretty sure Trump wants to keep things under control, he was fairly consistently anti-war for many years.. but I think he wanted to take a hard stand against ISIS and some of these countries and then review after they have been given a chance to fight and win and hopefully decide that it isn't worth it and end a lot of these conflicts... the sooner the better.

Yea I missed that.

I guess I fear trump on foreign policy more that Obama’s due to the fact that Obama was so limp wristed that he probably lacked the balls to really stir things up.

Trump is egotistical and arrogant. He also has no moral direction, which isn’t different than the rest of the crew but paired with his other traits, I believe him to be far more dangerous.

 

[acptulsa]

Dannno, maybe this will cheer you up: Via Justin Rainmondo:

Eisenhower didn't start any new major wars. Neither did Kennedy, Carter, or even Nixon (unless you count this war on us and our freedoms).

Raimondo is, as usual, full of shit. Even so, it's a bit early for you Trumpsters to brag, don't you think? Truman didn't start Korea in his first year in office. Trump has plenty of time, and plenty of irons in the fire.

 

[dannno]

Trump is egotistical and arrogant. He also has no moral direction, which isn’t different than the rest of the crew but paired with his other traits, I believe him to be far more dangerous.

Trump has an IQ in the range of 140-150, he views his surroundings and acts how he thinks he needs to act to get his goals accomplished. Overall I think he has a very positive moral direction, but it does not always come off that way (especially when he is taken out of context as he often is).

 

[CCTelander]

F- on this issue.

Morally reprehensible and counterproductive.

All you do is make more "terrorists".

It's almost as if that were the ultimate aim.

 

[Origanalist]

It's almost as if that were the ultimate aim.

Now why would they want to do that?

 

[undergroundrr]

Certainly airwars.org is skewed. But it's almost certainly a matter of degrees. Surely nobody here would deny this is going on, even dannno at his most stimulated while experiencing one of Molyneux's tubes. Is airwars more accurate or the Pentagon? I would be very comfortable that halfway in between is a reasonable assumption to start from.

But really airwars is just an information aggregator. Their documentation is scattered across hundreds of media sources and social media accounts. Following the links to substantiate what happened during a single bombing is confusing. Hey, it's war. But you'd have to believe something like "All Arabs are liars" to dismiss all the information found there.

The most compelling argument against airwars.org data is that virtually nobody else is reporting on civilian deaths by our military except airwars and antiwar.com. Which is more fake - airwars.org or the New York Times?

I'd like to see the public rise up and demand to know the truth about all these civilian deaths and put a lot of military leaders under oath for answers.

A lot of war-weary people wanted trump to be elected because if he did go to war it would be quick, efficient and effective. We'd win and we'd get out. I haven't seen anything to suggest the US military approach has changed an inch from Obama/Clinton/Bush.

 

[CCTelander]

Now why would they want to do that?

Sociopaths gonna act sociopathically?

 

[bunklocoempire]

Is anybody here doing that?

I mean, ya, I would rather live in a country that gets a B+ on liberty than a D-, how about you?

That doesn't mean we shouldn't work toward a better grade, but do you throw the B+ candidate out of office to trade for a D- candidate? Is that how we get liberty?

? That's for the individual to figure out, or not. That's the self-examination part.

? I would rather live in a country of individuals not hung up on grading everyone and everything with a herd-curve.

?? The D- or F candidate/murderer is necessary for that b.s. B+, so it's hardly some ideal for "how we get liberty", but it IS ideal for lowering standards.

individual freedom > group liberty/"we" liberty

The no one gets out alive thing that we all live with, should destroy any temptation for myself to ever grade anybody on a curve, but it is my sinful nature to do so. I do better when I reject hiding in a herd. It has been my experience that other individuals also do better when they reject hiding in a herd.

Hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from.