Trump executive order re birthright citizenship

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

And what that process is matters. The devil is in the details.

But based on what others have told me in this thread, the details of the process are utterly obvious to everyone but me.

I would think that there is standing protocol for the process of people seeking asylum. Whatever that is will need to be followed or new protocol that follows the intent of the laws the original protocol was based on.
I would also think that would be the fastest method. If new legislation on the issue were to go thru congress, it could be a long time.
I would think they know the rules they are supposed to follow and streamline them to make processing simple and fast.
Furthermore, I would think the laws didn't favor Biden's goals or the processing would have already been done and all these people would be citizens or legal residents already instead of purportedly being overwhelmed with hearings 10 years in the future.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

I suggest all you guys do some research before you embarrass yourselves again.

Please share your thoughts on the issue.

 

[TheTexan]

I would think that there is standing protocol for the process of people seeking asylum. Whatever that is will need to be followed or new protocol that follows the intent of the laws the original protocol was based on.

The US has absolutely zero obligation to follow any protocol that was previously agreed to.

Any "process" that is followed should be for the protection of American citizen interests and certainly not to fulfill any misguided notion that we owe these migrants a single damn thing.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

The US has absolutely zero obligation to follow any protocol that was previously agreed to.

Any "process" that is followed should be for the protection of American citizen interests and certainly not to fulfill any misguided notion that we owe these migrants a single damn thing.

I would think that there is standing protocol for the process of people seeking asylum. Whatever that is will need to be followed or new protocol that follows the intent of the laws the original protocol was based on.

 

[TheTexan]

I would think that there is standing protocol for the process of people seeking asylum. Whatever that is will need to be followed or new protocol that follows the intent of the laws the original protocol was based on.

The bolded part is precisely what I take objection to.

The US doesn't need to do anything.

The US is a sovereign nation, and it can do whatever the damn hell it pleases. That's what sovereign means.

If there are any laws that are preventing us from doing what needs to be done, the US retains the right to amend those laws and then continue to do whatever it damn well wanted to do, "intent of original protocol" or otherwise.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

The bolded part is precisely what I take objection to.

The US doesn't need to do anything.

The US is a sovereign nation, and it can do whatever the damn hell it pleases. That's what sovereign means.


If there are any laws that are preventing us from doing what needs to be done, the US retains the right to amend those laws and then continue to do whatever it damn well wanted to do, "intent of original protocol" or otherwise.

Whatever. With the issues of this site I am not going to reply again on the topic. Here is what I am saying and this isn't about what you or I think. It is about what a court rules. There is some legislation somewhere in existence that is already written on how to deal with asylum seekers. I don't know what it is or where to find it. I would imagine that to satisfy a court people that were already permitted into this country by the last administration need to go thru due process. If you think they don't, I would disagree with you. I am going to say if it goes to the SCOTUS, there will be rules that must be followed regarding those people that were approved by the last administration and allowed entry. In my opinion there is no way the SCOTUS is going to let them just be rounded up and deported. No everyone that just crossed illegally, they could probably just be deported. That is all I have to say.

 

[TheTexan]

Whatever. With the issues of this site I am not going to reply again on the topic. Here is what I am saying and this isn't about what you or I think. It is about what a court rules. There is some legislation somewhere in existence that is already written on how to deal with asylum seekers. I don't know what it is or where to find it. I would imagine that to satisfy a court people that were already permitted into this country by the last administration need to go thru due process. If you think they don't, I would disagree with you. I am going to say if it goes to the SCOTUS, there will be rules that must be followed regarding those people that were approved by the last administration and allowed entry. In my opinion there is no way the SCOTUS is going to let them just be rounded up and deported. No everyone that just crossed illegally, they could probably just be deported. That is all I have to say.

I am so far past giving a shit how SCROTUS would or would not rule.

 

[RJB]

Here's the process.

 

[Swordsmyth]

My guess is a court will see it as US policy at the time and will step up to protect those that came here under the invite.
The real solution is to have streamlined processing so everybody seeking asylum gets their case heard as soon as the get picked up.

Disagree all you want. You cannot invite people to come here and then uninvite them. Whether Biden was lawful or not is not the fault of those that came.

I don't like this one bit. But, I think you are an idiot to not consider that it is a strong possibility that those promised asylum or given an app to get here will not be processed according to the terms they entered.

You are 100% wrong and giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

You can uninvite anyone you invite, it's not an invitation if you can't, it's some kind of marriage type covenant.

They don't belong here, and they were brought in treasonoulsy, they all get kicked out.

 

[Invisible Man]

I would think that there is standing protocol for the process of people seeking asylum. Whatever that is will need to be followed or new protocol that follows the intent of the laws the original protocol was based on.
I would also think that would be the fastest method. If new legislation on the issue were to go thru congress, it could be a long time.
I would think they know the rules they are supposed to follow and streamline them to make processing simple and fast.
Furthermore, I would think the laws didn't favor Biden's goals or the processing would have already been done and all these people would be citizens or legal residents already instead of purportedly being overwhelmed with hearings 10 years in the future.

So let's say you have a child born some time after this EO takes effect. Eighteen years from now, that child registers to vote. Supposing this EO remains in effect until then, what should be required of your child to prove their citizenship? In addition to their own birth certificate showing they were born in the USA, should they be required to produce paperwork showing that you or their other birth parent were either a US citizen or permanent resident? And if they don't have all of that proof, or don't want to give it to the government, should they not be regarded legally as a citizen?

Or is there some other process this is all supposed to follow that I'm not seeing here?

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

So let's say you have a child born some time after this EO takes effect. Eighteen years from now, that child registers to vote. Supposing this EO remains in effect until then, what should be required of your child to prove their citizenship? In addition to their own birth certificate showing they were born in the USA, should they be required to produce paperwork showing that you or their other birth parent were either a US citizen or permanent resident? And if they don't have all of that proof, or don't want to give it to the government, should they not be regarded legally as a citizen?

Or is there some other process this is all supposed to follow that I'm not seeing here?

I don't know.
What would happen if somebody was visiting USA and gave birth?