Trump executive order re birthright citizenship

[Invisible Man]

If you want to house these illegal immigrants and make sure they never leave your premises onto public property

I am fine with that

And if you sell your home to one of these illegals that rule still maintains, if they get seen at Costco or some shit they are outta here

The owners of Costco have the same right to welcome them onto their property that I do.

 

[TheTexan]

Maybe. I don't know.

"In Texas, if you invite someone to stay overnight at your home and they refuse to leave the next day, the process of removing them isn't as straightforward as "throwing them out." Here's how the situation might unfold based on Texas law:


Initial Invitation: When you invite someone as a guest, you're implicitly giving them permission to be on your property for a limited time.
Revoking Permission: If the guest overstays, you can verbally ask them to leave. If they agree and leave, the issue is resolved without legal intervention.
If They Refuse to Leave:
Short-Term Stay: For very short-term guests (like someone who was just supposed to stay overnight), you might be able to call the police for assistance. If the person has no legal right to stay (i.e., they've overstayed the invitation and you've clearly communicated your desire for them to leave), law enforcement might treat this as trespassing. However, police are often cautious in these scenarios, not wanting to misjudge a tenant for a guest.
Potential Tenant Status: If the person has stayed long enough or has established residency (which could be as short as a few days if they've shown intent to live there by changing their mailing address, paying rent, or contributing to household expenses), they might be considered a tenant under Texas law.
No Formal Lease: Even without a written lease, if someone has been allowed to stay for an extended period, they might gain tenant rights. In Texas, the law doesn't specify a clear time frame for when a guest becomes a tenant, but actions like paying rent or receiving mail at your address can imply tenancy.
Eviction Process: If the individual is considered a tenant, even without a formal lease, you would need to initiate the formal eviction process:
Notice to Vacate: You must give them a written notice to leave, typically three days for a tenant at will (someone without a lease or with a month-to-month agreement), though this can vary if other conditions are met.
Filing for Eviction: If they don't leave after the notice period, you'd need to file an eviction lawsuit (forcible detainer) in the appropriate Justice of the Peace court.
Court Process: This includes serving the tenant with court papers, potentially going to court, and if you win, obtaining a writ of possession, which allows law enforcement to remove the person from your property.
Immediate Action: Without clear tenant status, if someone refuses to leave, you should not attempt to forcibly remove them yourself, as this could lead to legal issues like assault charges. Instead, document your attempts to communicate that they must leave, and if necessary, proceed with legal actions.
Legal Advice: Given the nuances of Texas law, especially regarding the transition from guest to tenant, consulting with a lawyer might be advisable to ensure you're following the correct legal procedures.


In summary, while you can ask someone who overstays their welcome to leave, if they refuse, you might need to navigate through legal processes to remove them, especially if they've begun to establish tenancy. Police might assist if it's clearly a case of trespassing, but for any ambiguity, the legal route through eviction might be necessary."

Your mistake is relying on the police to handle the situation, in which case everything you said does apply.

If you rely on your rifle to resolve the situation, the matter becomes a lot clearer.

It only becomes muddied if you contact the police. The only thing you should ever have to say to the police is "I was afraid for my life, I fired my weapon, no further comment"

 

[TheTexan]

The owners of Costco have the same right to welcome them onto their property that I do.

Costco does but visitors to costco have to use my property ( the roads ) to get to Costco.

I will permit use of my roads for travel to leave the country but I have no obligation to allow travel on my roads for daily activity

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Your mistake is relying on the police to handle the situation, in which case everything you said does apply.

If you rely on your rifle to resolve the situation, the matter becomes a lot clearer.

It only becomes muddied if you contact the police. Otherwise its: "I was afraid for my life, I fired my weapon, no further comment"

Maybe.
My guess is if you got out your gun/rifle and demanded they leave and packed their schite and threw it on the sidewalk, and then they called the police, it might not turn out as you would like.

 

[TheTexan]

Maybe.
My guess is if you got out your gun/rifle and demanded they leave and packed their schite and threw it on the sidewalk, and then they called the police, it might not turn out as you would like.

At that point it would be difficult for the cops to force you to let that person back inside, for all the same reasons that it's difficult for cops to remove someone from a property.

If "their schite" included a couch, TV, a Rottweiler named Rupert, several pints of melted ice cream, a tooth brush and various hygiene products, then sure maybe you'd be right.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If you invite a person into your home to spend the night and the next morning they won't leave, you can't throw them out.
Are they an invader if the welcome mat were laid out and or apps, or even transport into the country?
Imagine the confusion if on Jan 6, 2021, police officers open doors and encourage people to enter secure areas.

I think there is a difference between the illegal that managed to cross a closed border and what took place during Biden administration. I would guess the talk around the world was if you want to live in USA go there now. When your government endorsed and invited them here, somehow your government has to accept some responsibility for them being here.

I want them gone so don't construe what I said as me wanting them to be here. I am simply saying getting them out could be complicated.

We can throw them out at any time, and don't even try to bring modern leftist squatters' right garbage into this.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yes. And I have no right to interfere.

And for the same reason, you also can invite anyone into your home any time you wish, whether as your guest, employee, renter, or whatever else, or to sell your home to anyone you want, at which time it becomes their home. And in all those instances, I again have no right to interfere, or to demand that they meet some criteria I set for who should be allowed on property that isn't mine.

But you have no right to invite anyone you wish into my country or to harbor them from deportation.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

We can throw them out at any time, and don't even try to bring modern leftist squatters' right garbage into this.

My guess is it will be ruled that people that were invited in and allowed to enter under Biden administration cannot just be thrown out.

People that crossed without those apps or authorization can be deported.

I think a good strategy would be to hold extremely quick review of status and make rulings on those people allowed to enter.

You cannot just discard those you invited here.

 

[Swordsmyth]

My guess is it will be ruled that people that were invited in and allowed to enter under Biden administration cannot just be thrown out.

People that crossed without those apps or authorization can be deported.

I think a good strategy would be to hold extremely quick review of status and make rulings on those people allowed to enter.

You cannot just discard those you invited here.

Subversive garbage.
You can change your mind and disinvite a guest at any time.
And the "invitation" was illegal, Biden violated the laws.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Subversive garbage.
You can change your mind and disinvite a guest at any time.
And the "invitation" was illegal, Biden violated the laws.

My guess is a court will see it as US policy at the time and will step up to protect those that came here under the invite.
The real solution is to have streamlined processing so everybody seeking asylum gets their case heard as soon as the get picked up.

Disagree all you want. You cannot invite people to come here and then uninvite them. Whether Biden was lawful or not is not the fault of those that came.

I don't like this one bit. But, I think you are an idiot to not consider that it is a strong possibility that those promised asylum or given an app to get here will not be processed according to the terms they entered.

 

[TheTexan]

You cannot just discard those you invited here.

1) yes, we can
And
2) they certainly weren't invited by me

 

[TheTexan]

My guess is a court will see it as US policy at the time and will step up to protect those that came here under the invite.
The real solution is to have streamlined processing so everybody seeking asylum gets their case heard as soon as the get picked up.

Disagree all you want. You cannot invite people to come here and then uninvite them. Whether Biden was lawful or not is not the fault of those that came.

I don't like this one bit. But, I think you are an idiot to not consider that it is a strong possibility that those promised asylum or given an app to get here will not be processed according to the terms they entered.

If we can grant asylum we can just as easily un-grant asylum.

It's not that complicated.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

If we can grant asylum we can just as easily un-grant asylum.

It's not that complicated.

My Guess is they would need to be legally processed.
Schedule their hearing, deny their asylum, and evict them. End of story.
Simply rounding them up and throwing them out is not going to happen. Just my opinion.

 

[TheTexan]

My Guess is they would need to be legally processed.
Schedule their hearing, deny their asylum, and evict them. End of story.
Simply rounding them up and throwing them out is not going to happen. Just my opinion.

Obviously there is going to be some process. I don't think anyone was suggesting we would just toss foreign looking people into a bus and throw them out over the border.

It would be a good idea to do that though.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Obviously there is going to be some process. I don't think anyone was suggesting we would just toss foreign looking people into a bus and throw them out over the border.

It would be a good idea to do that though.

That is all I have been saying.
I think for those that just crossed illegally they can get thrown out.
Those invited in with app or those with pending hearings, they will need to be processed.
The key, streamline that process. Call up people that thought they had 10 years and tell them to report next Friday. Failure to report will result in deportation. Something like that. Have army of processors ready to immediately hear and make ruling.
Goodbye.
End of story.

 

[TheTexan]

The key, streamline that process. Call up people that thought they had 10 years and tell them to report next Friday. Failure to report will result in deportation.

I'm fine with that process as long as succeeding to report, also results in deportation.

 

[Invisible Man]

Obviously there is going to be some process.

And what that process is matters. The devil is in the details.

But based on what others have told me in this thread, the details of the process are utterly obvious to everyone but me.

 

[TheTexan]

And what that process is matters. The devil is in the details.

But based on what others have told me in this thread, the details of the process are utterly obvious to everyone but me.

If it were up to me, the process would be pretty simple:

1) Set up a phone number to report illegals 1-800-SEND-BAK
2) Send back reported illegals that can't produce documentation and aren't white

 

[Intrepid]

I suggest all you guys do some research before you embarrass yourselves again.

 

[TheTexan]

I suggest all you guys do some research before you embarrass yourselves again.

Ok