Trump Claims He Is ‘Seriously’ Considering Ending Birthright Citizenship for Children of Illeg

[TheCount]

When we capture them we put them under our jurisdiction, just like war crimes trials.

That's not how the law works.

If they weren't under your jurisdiction at the time that they committed the crime, then you wouldn't be able to prosecute them for it.



War crimes are international law not national law. It's strange that you would bring it up, because you don't support international law.

 

[TheCount]

Were slaves under the "jurisdiction of the United States Government?" Were children born of slaves considered freemen and citizens with full rights?

If you answered "yes" to the first and "no" to the second you will understand that the original meaning in the Constitution is not what believe it to be. For if you believe your interpretation to be correct than of slave child born in America would have been made a freeman and equal citizen. But, they weren't, so......

Turns out that there have been some amendments to the constitution. Might want to check them out.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's not how the law works.

If they weren't under your jurisdiction at the time that they committed the crime, then you wouldn't be able to prosecute them for it.



War crimes are international law not national law. It's strange that you would bring it up, because you don't support international law.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[TheCount]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Good argument. Well supported.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Good argument. Well supported.

As good as yours.

 

[TheCount]

As good as yours.

Definitely.

 

[nikcers]

Yes.

Really? What happens if they don't?

 

[Intoxiklown]

So he openly supports Ron Paul's position on this issue, and the general RPF consensus is to mock him.

Got it.

My issue with it is how ungodly dangerous it can be when Trump (who is a moron) says things like this. Hell yes birthright citizenship has opened the door to lots of abuse, and I'd love to see it gone tomorrow. But in no world do I want that to happen because some jackass wrote a memo. Because if one jackass can rewrite the Bill of Rights at whim via his personal written decree, then so can the next jackass. And it's dangerous because there are some SERIOUSLY stupid people in this country who hear him say that shit, and they believe him in that he can do that very thing anytime he wishes.

I'm honestly terrified for when a Democrat gets into office....declares gun violence a national emergency.....and starts their talks about how they need to change Amendments with an Executive Order. And the people who'll throw a fit are the ones supporting the very idiot publicly working to set the precedent.

 

[Swordsmyth]

My issue with it is how ungodly dangerous it can be when Trump (who is a moron) says things like this. Hell yes birthright citizenship has opened the door to lots of abuse, and I'd love to see it gone tomorrow. But in no world do I want that to happen because some jackass wrote a memo. Because if one jackass can rewrite the Bill of Rights at whim via his personal written decree, then so can the next jackass. And it's dangerous because there are some SERIOUSLY stupid people in this country who hear him say that $#@!, and they believe him in that he can do that very thing anytime he wishes.

I'm honestly terrified for when a Democrat gets into office....declares gun violence a national emergency.....and starts their talks about how they need to change Amendments with an Executive Order. And the people who'll throw a fit are the ones supporting the very idiot publicly working to set the precedent.

The current situation is the result of some jackass writing a memo.

 

[Origanalist]

Let me know when this is actually confirmed.

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[Sonny Tufts]

Do people who aren't American citizens have to pay taxes that citizens have to pay?

Yes.

 

[TheCount]

Really? What happens if they don't?

Same thing as citizens, because they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.


That's the whole reason that "Indians not taxed" was an exemption to citizenship. That's how you could tell who was subject to the jurisdiction and who was not.



Edit: The main difference between taxes on citizens and non-citizens is that the federal government imposes taxes on citizens even when those citizens earn that money outside the United States. (Apparently this also applies to green card holders) This is because the government considers citizens to be 'subject to the jurisdiction' even when they are not within the territorial borders of the United States. (See also: laws against sex tourism by citizens outside the US.) You can also consider this to be the reason why children of citizens are citizens even when born outside the United States.

 

[nikcers]

Same thing as citizens, because they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.


That's the whole reason that "Indians not taxed" was an exemption to citizenship. That's how you could tell who was subject to the jurisdiction and who was not.



Edit: The main difference between taxes on citizens and non-citizens is that the federal government imposes taxes on citizens even when those citizens earn that money outside the United States. (Apparently this also applies to green card holders) This is because the government considers citizens to be 'subject to the jurisdiction' even when they are not within the territorial borders of the United States. (See also: laws against sex tourism by citizens outside the US.) You can also consider this to be the reason why children of citizens are citizens even when born outside the United States.

I was under the impression that a lot of them got paid under the table. When I researched this before I read about how a lot of businesses get shaked down by the feds but since its so common for illegals to work in certain industries like restaraunts like as cooks the feds can basically pick winners and losers in those industries by shaking some of them down harder than others. I was reading that a lot of them work in sweat shops and get paid shit money under the table. The other ones work in industries that the feds shake down the business when it happens and they get to decide how much the business gets fined, but the business has to hire illegals because they either can't find people who will work there or all of their competitors do it so if they don't their competitor gets a competitive advantage. I was reading some of them were getting raided a lot more under the Trump administration that weren't getting raided by previous administrations, like they sort of had some deal with them.

 

[TheCount]

I was under the impression that a lot of them got paid under the table.

In that case they would pay the same taxes as a citizen who got paid under the table. Your point is irrelevant.

 

[nikcers]

In that case they would pay the same taxes as a citizen who got paid under the table. Your point is irrelevant.

Jurisdiction is something the voters create. A tax paying voting block create jurisdictions so that the people can decide rules to live under and have the rule of law. Otherwise without censentual voters you have basically a fuedal system with peasants and aristocrats.

 

[nikcers]

There are things that people who are not citizens here get deported for, that citizens won't. If you can be deported you aren't subject the the jurisdiction of the country.

 

[TheCount]

There are things that people who are not citizens here get deported for, that citizens won't. If you can be deported you aren't subject the the jurisdiction of the country.

A non-citizen who commits a serious crime is first punished for the crime and then deported. If what you say we're to be true, that would not happen, they would only be deported.

 

[nikcers]

A non-citizen who commits a serious crime is first punished for the crime and then deported. If what you say we're to be true, that would not happen, they would only be deported.

If you can be deported you aren't subject to the jurisdiction of this country.

 

[TheCount]

If you can be deported you aren't subject to the jurisdiction of this country.

If you can eat broccoli you aren't subject to the jurisdiction of this country.

 

[nikcers]

If you can eat broccoli you aren't subject to the jurisdiction of this country.

nice one.