Trump Claims He Is ‘Seriously’ Considering Ending Birthright Citizenship for Children of Illeg

[Zippyjuan]

I don't know but there is no reason it can't be ended for illegals that way because executive action is what gave it to them.

Link?

Note that anything changed via executive order can be undone by the next president.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Link?

Go look for yourself.

Note that anything changed via executive order can be undone by the next president.

No, in this case the law is not being followed and any future POTUS should be prevented from changing it.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Go look for yourself.

I see. Yet again you are making claims you are unable to support. Thanks again for trying. I know you only doing your best.

No, in this case the law is not being followed and any future POTUS should be prevented from changing it.

Any executive order can be undone by another executive. If you want it unchangeable, you need to get it codified into the law.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I see. Yet again you are making claims you are unable to support. Thanks again for trying. I know you only doing your best.

I can support it but you aren't worth my time.

Any executive order can be undone by another executive. If you want it unchangeable, you need to get it codified into the law.

An executive order to follow the law can't be undone by one to break it.

 

[juleswin]

So he openly supports Ron Paul's position on this issue, and the general RPF consensus is to mock him.

Got it.

He was also going to release the scheduled to be released JFK paper but did not, was gonna pull of of the UN then started using the UN to harass other countries. I could go on a bit longer with the good policies he has reneged on. This is why people laugh at him.

 

[5Points]

It would be better to end citizenship altogether.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not really mocking, but he's done this a dozen times on a dozen issues this year alone. Time for some show, not just talk. There's an election coming up, the talk this week had been recession, and this is a nice other thing to get the media frothing over.

As my old buddy Michael Scott used to say, "fool me once, strike one. Fool me twice?........strike three."

True enough...all talk in a bag so far.

let's see some action.

 

[Stratovarious]

Trump is 'testing the waters' , he should have just done it , same with most of his
other 'tests' .

This is what I hate about Trump;

Hillary is Free/ never going to prison
IRS is bigger than ever
Patriot Act is alive and well
ASSET FORFETITURE
Incentives for Illegals to invade still in place
Israel First/ support of their war crimes and thievery/robbery
OBAMA CARE
DUE PROCESS (on the table to eliminate / already compromised under Patriot Act)
2ND Amendment attacks
NDAA
DHS
TSA
NSA
FBI

Likes;
Thumbed nose at global co2 tax alliance
Anti PC
Helped create/keep some jobs

 

[TheCount]

“all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside.”


They are not "subject to the jurisdiction," they are in the country, illegally.

How are they prosecuted for crimes that they commit, then?

 

[timosman]

How are they prosecuted for crimes that they commit, then?

You should ask Julian Assange.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

I don't know but there is no reason it can't be ended for illegals that way because executive action is what gave it to them.

No, the Constitution is what gave it to them. See discussion beginning at http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...split&p=6791411&highlight=Senator#post6791411

But that's not to say that the Narcissist-in-Chief won't continue to pander to his supporters and blather about how he has so much excutive power that he can bypass Congress and the amendment process. After all, he's The Chosen One, right?

 

[Mach]

How are they prosecuted for crimes that they commit, then?

They are here illegally, they have no citizenry rights.

They were not born, or naturalized into the Jurisdiction legally.

 

[TheCount]

They are here illegally, they have no citizenry rights.

They were not born, or naturalized into the Jurisdiction legally.

Are they or are they not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States government?

 

[nikcers]

No, the Constitution is what gave it to them. See discussion beginning at http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...split&p=6791411&highlight=Senator#post6791411

But that's not to say that the Narcissist-in-Chief won't continue to pander to his supporters and blather about how he has so much excutive power that he can bypass Congress and the amendment process. After all, he's The Chosen One, right?

The constitution was talking about slaves, until the supreme court changed the constitution. The supreme court gave the mother the right to decide if a fetus is a person or not. They created the right to kill persons if they don't want them to live. The fetuses aren't people unless the mother decides not to kill them and are American citizens if they decide to have them in America even if their parents aren't American. This creates birth tourism and anchor babies and allows mothers to kill people who can't defend themselves.

 

[nikcers]

Are they or are they not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States government?

Do people who aren't American citizens have to pay taxes that citizens have to pay?

 

[Swordsmyth]

No, the Constitution is what gave it to them. See discussion beginning at http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...split&p=6791411&highlight=Senator#post6791411

But that's not to say that the Narcissist-in-Chief won't continue to pander to his supporters and blather about how he has so much excutive power that he can bypass Congress and the amendment process. After all, he's The Chosen One, right?

WRONG

Illegals were not given it by the Constitution and everybody knew it until the executive branch reinterpreted it to give it to them.
Invaders don't get it and even the Wong Kim Arc decision said so.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Are they or are they not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States government?

No more than any other invaders.

 

[Swordsmyth]

How are they prosecuted for crimes that they commit, then?

When we capture them we put them under our jurisdiction, just like war crimes trials.

 

[phill4paul]

Are they or are they not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States government?

Were slaves under the "jurisdiction of the United States Government?" Were children born of slaves considered freemen and citizens with full rights?

If you answered "yes" to the first and "no" to the second you will understand that the original meaning in the Constitution is not what believe it to be. For if you believe your interpretation to be correct than of slave child born in America would have been made a freeman and equal citizen. But, they weren't, so......

 

[TheCount]

Do people who aren't American citizens have to pay taxes that citizens have to pay?

Yes.