Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

[Raginfridus]

To be fair to Haiti: A poster informed us on another thread that Haiti is a $#@!hole due to the French occupying it 200 years ago.

Cap Haïtien never recovered from the effects of the fearful earthquake of 1842, when several thousands of its inhabitants perished. To this day they talk of that awful event, and never forget to relate how the country-people rushed in to plunder the place, and how none lent a helping-hand to aid their half-buried country-men. Captain Macguire and myself used to wander about the ruins, and we could not but feel how little energy remained in a people who could leave their property in such a state. It was perhaps cheaper to build a trumpery house elsewhere.

One of those that suffered the most during that visitation wrote, before the earth had ceased trembling, “Against the acts of God Almighty no one complains,” and then proceeded to relate how the dread earthquake shook down or seriously injured almost every house; how two-thirds of the inhabitants were buried beneath the fallen masonry; how the bands of blacks rushed in from mountain and plain, not to aid in saving their wretched countrymen, whose cries and groans could be heard for two or three days, but to rob the stores replete with goods; and—what he did complain of—how the officers and men of the garrison, instead of attempting to keep order, joined in plundering the small remnants of what the surviving inhabitants could save from the tottering ruins. What a people!

https://books.google.com/books?id=LGLUAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA12&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

That was 40 years after the butchery that freed them. Nothing's changed. Conditions in Haiti have less to do with France, more to do with being assholes and greedy louts.

 

[Swordsmyth]

A day after President Donald Trump reportedly made highly incendiary comments about immigrants and African countries, two Republican senators said they don't recall those vulgar characterizations from the President. Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, who've been close allies to the President on the issue of immigration, were in a White House meeting with him Thursday when Trump, according to sources, expressed frustration with people coming to the US from "shithole countries."
"We do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest," they said in a statement.
Their statement came after the President tweeted Friday morning that the description of his remarks was not accurate.
"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump said. "What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/polit...A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+(RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent)

 

[Superfluous Man]

A day after President Donald Trump reportedly made highly incendiary comments about immigrants and African countries, two Republican senators said they don't recall those vulgar characterizations from the President. Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, who've been close allies to the President on the issue of immigration, were in a White House meeting with him Thursday when Trump, according to sources, expressed frustration with people coming to the US from "$#@!hole countries."
"We do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest," they said in a statement.
Their statement came after the President tweeted Friday morning that the description of his remarks was not accurate.
"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump said. "What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/polit...A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+(RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent)

All Trump denies is that he used the specific word "shithole" for Haiti. In his own explanation he completely stands by and reaffirms the essence of the quote.

It doesn't even look to me like he is denying that he used the word at all in the meeting, just that he specifically applied it to Haiti. But that's really beside the point, because the profanity is secondary to the larger issue of the position he took when he allegedly used it.

 

[timosman]

All Trump denies is that he used the specific word "shithole" for Haiti. In his own explanation he completely stands by and reaffirms the essence of the quote.

It doesn't even look to me like he is denying that he used the word at all in the meeting, just that he specifically applied it to Haiti. But that's really beside the point, because the profanity is secondary to the larger issue of the position he took when he allegedly used it.

What is the larger issue?

 

[Swordsmyth]

All Trump denies is that he used the specific word "$#@!hole" for Haiti. In his own explanation he completely stands by and reaffirms the essence of the quote.

It doesn't even look to me like he is denying that he used the word at all in the meeting, just that he specifically applied it to Haiti. But that's really beside the point, because the profanity is secondary to the larger issue of the position he took when he allegedly used it.

He is right about the larger issue.

The point is that the leftists are fabricating things again to try to manipulate people's emotions and claim he is racist.

 

[Superfluous Man]

He is right about the larger issue.

The point is that the leftists are fabricating things again to try to manipulate people's emotions and claim he is racist.

What he fully admits he said is obviously racist. The racism of it has nothing to do with whether or not he used profanity.

And it doesn't look to me like the fabricated anything, unless you're trying to say that you don't believe that at any point in that meeting he referred to any countries as "shitholes," which even Cotton and Perdue don't claim in that article you just quoted.

And since when has it ever been any secret that Trump uses profanity?

 

[RJB]

That would be an easy thing to say if you had some protection in your own employment, such as a tenured professor for example

But the overall impact is a net good for most parties, including most employees. If you focus on a particular employee who loses their job or has to work for less, you can find someone who loses more than they win. But that is to commit the fallacy Bastiat calls the seen versus the unseen. You pick one point in the whole vast economy where a net loss is concentrated while ignoring the net good that's distributed widely for all.

 

[Superfluous Man]

That would be an easy thing to say if you had some protection in your own employment, such as a tenured professor for example

I'm not one of those.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What he fully admits he said is obviously racist. The racism of it has nothing to do with whether or not he used profanity.

No it is culturalist and pragmatic, the immigrants from those countries are a detriment to us, those country's governments and cultures are terrible.
He is wrong about Norway though, we shouldn't be letting in socialists from there either, but they do have a more advanced culture with less crime.

And it doesn't look to me like the fabricated anything, unless you're trying to say that you don't believe that at any point in that meeting he referred to any countries as "$#@!holes," which even Cotton and Perdue don't claim in that article you just quoted.

A day after President Donald Trump reportedly made highly incendiary comments about immigrants and African countries, two Republican senators said they don't recall those vulgar characterizations from the President. Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, who've been close allies to the President on the issue of immigration, were in a White House meeting with him Thursday when Trump, according to sources, expressed frustration with people coming to the US from "$#@!hole countries."
"We do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest," they said in a statement.
Their statement came after the President tweeted Friday morning that the description of his remarks was not accurate.
"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump said. "What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politi...-+Most+Recent)


You have reading comprehension problems.

 

[RJB]

I'm not one of those.

That was an off the cuff example. Why so defensive?

 

[RJB]

People who live in glasshouses with loads of cracks in it should definitely not throw stones. Just saying

Yep. We are a currency collapse from being a third world country ourselves. Our factories have mostly gone overseas. War and dollars are our exports. Good to see you back Jules, even with your buddy Che.

 

[Superfluous Man]

No it is culturalist and pragmatic, the immigrants from those countries are a detriment to us, those country's governments and cultures are terrible.
He is wrong about Norway though, we shouldn't be letting in socialists from there either, but they do have a more advanced culture with less crime.




A day after President Donald Trump reportedly made highly incendiary comments about immigrants and African countries, two Republican senators said they don't recall those vulgar characterizations from the President. Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, who've been close allies to the President on the issue of immigration, were in a White House meeting with him Thursday when Trump, according to sources, expressed frustration with people coming to the US from "$#@!hole countries."
"We do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest," they said in a statement.
Their statement came after the President tweeted Friday morning that the description of his remarks was not accurate.
"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump said. "What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politi...-+Most+Recent)


You have reading comprehension problems.

Notice that nothing in what you just quoted, including what you bolded, once again, entails a denial that Trump used the word "shithole" at all in the meeting. They just pick out one attributed quote and basically say, "No, we don't recall him saying those exact words in that order applying that particular vulgarity to the specific countries that were alleged."

Again, that's all beside the point though, because he himself fully admits that he essentially said the same thing, just without the word "shithole," being specifically applied to Haiti, and stands by it.

This is according to Trump's own tweets that are right there in that same article.

 

[timosman]

Notice that nothing in what you just quoted, including what you bolded, once again, entails a denial that Trump used the word "shithole" at all in the meeting. They just pick out one attributed quote and basically say, "No, we don't recall him saying those exact words in that order applying that particular vulgarity to the specific countries that were alleged."

Again, that's all beside the point though, because he himself fully admits that he essentially said the same thing, just without the word "shithole," being specifically applied to Haiti, and stands by it.

This is according to Trump's own tweets that are right there in that same article.

Sorry buddy, you still owe us an explanation of your post #77 https://1.community.forum/posts/6573869/.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Notice that nothing in what you just quoted, including what you bolded, once again, entails a denial that Trump used the word "$#@!hole" at all in the meeting. They just pick out one attributed quote and basically say, "No, we don't recall him saying those exact words in that order applying that particular vulgarity to the specific countries that were alleged."

Again, that's all beside the point though, because he himself fully admits that he essentially said the same thing, just without the word "$#@!hole," being specifically applied to Haiti, and stands by it.

This is according to Trump's own tweets that are right there in that same article.

You are making a fool of yourself.

 

[Swordsmyth]

After reports that Trump referred to "shithole" African nations in a meeting (that was not denied by The White House), the president has tweeted this morning that "this was not the language used."

The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018​

he then following up by claiming he "never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!"

Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018​

His tweet, denying the "shithole" comment follows an earlier series of tweets that slammed the proposed DACA proposal, and sought to explain his thinking about a bipartisan immigration plan that was presented on Thursday which would allow too many people in from "high crime" countries. He said that's one of the key reasons why a bipartisan plan presented on Thursday is a nonstarter.

The so-called bipartisan DACA deal presented yesterday to myself and a group of Republican Senators and Congressmen was a big step backwards. Wall was not properly funded, Chain & Lottery were made worse and USA would be forced to take large numbers of people from high crime.....
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018​

....countries which are doing badly. I want a merit based system of immigration and people who will help take our country to the next level. I want safety and security for our people. I want to stop the massive inflow of drugs. I want to fund our military, not do a Dem defund....
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018​

....Because of the Democrats not being interested in life and safety, DACA has now taken a big step backwards. The Dems will threaten “shutdown,” but what they are really doing is shutting down our military, at a time we need it most. Get smart, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018​

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ithole-comment-slams-outrageous-daca-proposal

 

[timosman]

You are making a fool of yourself.

Anything to distract and avoid being pinned down to an unavoidably idiotic claim.

 

[tod evans]

But the overall impact is a net good for most parties, including most employees. If you focus on a particular employee who loses their job or has to work for less, you can find someone who loses more than they win. But that is to commit the fallacy Bastiat calls the seen versus the unseen. You pick one point in the whole vast economy where a net loss is concentrated while ignoring the net good that's distributed widely for all.

Sorry dude I wasn't speaking in abstracts..

Welfare for the underclass is the only reason illegals can find and attend work.

Cut the welfare off and the underclass will eat the illegals before they come for your shit.

 

[juleswin]

My people have been consistent on immigration since 1001 .

Please don't play coy with me, you know very well that I wasn't talking about immigration "policy" of the natives. I am talking about saving tax payers money and ways we can do that. Do u remember me telling you that I have never met a Native American in my life? well that was a big lie and I lied because I wanted to be nice to you. I have indeed met a loads of em in my line of work and suffice to say, the tax payers can save a loads by denying them the free services they are given. Just sayin

 

[juleswin]

Sorry dude I wasn't speaking in abstracts..

Welfare for the underclass is the only reason illegals can find and attend work.

Cut the welfare off and the underclass will eat the illegals before they come for your $#@!.

This post is so insane that I am not sure if it was made in jest. Have you ever asked yourself how well the underclass ate the poor immigrants who came to America from Europe during the early and middle last century? You are white, you are supposed to have IQ by the boat load, act accordingly m8.

 

[tod evans]

Please don't play coy with me, you know very well that I wasn't talking about immigration "policy" of the natives. I am talking about saving tax payers money and ways we can do that. Do u remember me telling you that I have never met a Native American in my life? well that was a big lie and I lied because I wanted to be nice to you. I have indeed met a loads of em in my line of work and suffice to say, the tax payers can save a loads by denying them the free services they are given. Just sayin

The taxpayer could save even more by ending the bureaucracy that awards/monitors and accounts for free-shit.

There's probably 4-5 government employees for every injun whose "jobs" revolve around Indian Affairs...So for ever $20k of injun checks there's $200k of government salary to back it up............If not more.