Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

[timosman]

If the problem is people coming to the US because there are more opportunities to prosper than where they live, then not even that will fix the problem. The only fix for that is for the US to have less opportunity to prosper than where they are coming from and then people will stop coming.

Brilliant.

 

[juleswin]

Brilliant.

Indeed

 

[timosman]

Indeed

 

[juleswin]

Indeed

 

[johnwk]

That's true. But that's not a matter of opinion, nor is it about the USA. That's a statement about a moral fact ...

only in your anarchist mind...

 

[AZJoe]

If the problem is people coming to the US because there are more opportunities to prosper than where they live, then not even that will fix the problem. The only fix for that is for the US to have less opportunity to prosper than where they are coming from and then people will stop coming.

That's a silly false statement. That is the "fix" the power elite seem to be striving for.
However, there are several other fixes. Like increasing opportunity and prosperity "where they are coming from." Perhaps by increasing free trade, removing trade barriers, exporting capitalism and the ideas of freedom to the rest of the world, and setting a better example.
There there is the option of eliminating statist magnets of government benefits.
Then there are national self protection fixes like vetting immigrants, limiting or controlling the rate, securing borders.
There are thousands of other options, some better and some more statist, but these are just a few that illustrate the possibilities beyond the closed minded tunnel fallacy that there is only one option, and it must necessarily be the stupid option to strive to destroy prosperity no less.

 

[Madison320]

If the problem is people coming to the US because there are more opportunities to prosper than where they live, then not even that will fix the problem. The only fix for that is for the US to have less opportunity to prosper than where they are coming from and then people will stop coming.

The problem is not immigration, it's socialism. One fix would be to stop welfare recipients from voting.

I actually think illegal immigrants are a net positive, because they can't get many benefits and they can't vote. It's their legal children that are the problem.

 

[Anti Federalist]

but most are independent operators who empty into drainage canals in violation of the law, creating ideal conditions for the spread of cholera and other diseases.

Progressives and Bolsheviks love to whine about how the "right" is anti-science and anti-intellectual.

Yet they think that a people who still don't understand, in the 21st century, that you don't throw, literal, shit in your water supply somehow bring something to the table in terms of immigration.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If the problem is people coming to the US because there are more opportunities to prosper than where they live, then not even that will fix the problem. The only fix for that is for the US to have less opportunity to prosper than where they are coming from and then people will stop coming.

And you have just proven my position correct: Liberty creates prosperity and prosperity attracts leeches, then leeches destroy liberty and prosperity, therefore if you want liberty you must control immigration to limit the leeches.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I actually think illegal immigrants are a net positive, because they can't get many benefits and they can't vote. It's their legal children that are the problem.

They do BOTH whether it is legal or not.

 

[Madison320]

They do BOTH whether it is legal or not.

I'm sure some do but I doubt it's a very high percentage. Remember, cheap labor benefits everyone except possibly the person doing the work.

 

[Madison320]

And you have just proven my position correct: Liberty creates prosperity and prosperity attracts leeches, then leeches destroy liberty and prosperity, therefore if you want liberty you must control immigration to limit the leeches.

The problem is that the vast majority of leeches are already here!

 

[Swordsmyth]

The problem is that the vast majority of leeches are already here!

Hardly, the world is full of countries with a much higher percentage.

In any case our proportion gets worse with each one we let in, and our hopes of improving our culture and government get worse as well.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm sure some do but I doubt it's a very high percentage. Remember, cheap labor benefits everyone except possibly the person doing the work.

Since most of us are in the employee class and almost all of us will spend our entire lives there (doubly so because of big government which immigration makes worse) then it is bad.

 

[timosman]

Hardly, the world is full of countries with a much higher percentage.

In any case our proportion gets worse with each one we let in, and our hopes of improving our culture and government get worse as well.

You have no right to improve your culture. Your mandate is to make sure every person on the planet lives in conditions at least equal to yours. This is true despite your government efforts to the contrary - bombing and toppling governments around the world . Get busy making the world a better place, comrade.

 

[Madison320]

Since most of us are in the employee class and almost all of us will spend our entire lives there (doubly so because of big government which immigration makes worse) then it is bad.

No, that's flawed Keynesian logic. Suppose you live on a desert island with a few hundred people and some goofy guy washes up onshore. He grows his own food and catches his own fish and works for free because he likes it. the Austrian economist understands that his free labor benefits everyone on the island because now stuff is cheaper, the Keynesian economist mistakenly claims it's a negative because his free labor is displacing paid workers.

 

[timosman]

No, that's flawed Keynesian logic. Suppose you live on a desert island with a few hundred people and some goofy guy washes up onshore. He grows his own food and catches his own fish and works for free because he likes it. the Austrian economist understands that his free labor benefits everyone on the island because now stuff is cheaper, the Keynesian economist mistakenly claims it's a negative because his free labor is displacing paid workers.

In order to be closer to reality please change the scenario to a few thousand goofy guys washing up onshore.

 

[Madison320]

Hardly, the world is full of countries with a much higher percentage.

In any case our proportion gets worse with each one we let in, and our hopes of improving our culture and government get worse as well.

I agree but I think it's only a tiny part of the problem and even if we were able to completely prevent everyone from entering we'd still be on the same path to socialism, maybe we'd delay it by 1% or so.

 

[Madison320]

In order to be closer to reality please change the scenario to a few thousand goofy guys washing up onshore.

LOL!

My strategy is to save money on Chinese products and spend the savings at Mexican restaurants.

 

[timosman]

My strategy is to save money on Chinese products and spend the savings at Mexican restaurants.

Sounds like a winning strategy for a pushover.