Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries in Oval Office meeting

[Jan2017]

Jeff Flake's immigration plan falls flat with Republicans

House and Senate negotiators left a Thursday White House meeting no closer to an agreement on immigration,
despite claims by Sen. Jeff Flake that an agreement was imminent.

“It’s not even a fig leaf, it’s a pine needle,” Cotton said, adding that the deal is “a joke.”
The offer included money for a border wall but it was “far below” the $18 billion the Trump administration proposed earlier this week, he said.
And the changes to chain migration and the diversity visa lottery were insufficient, he added.

Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., a GOP leader, said he believes a vote on legislation may not be possible in January and may slip to February.

Democrats and Republicans are far apart on almost all aspects of reform. For example, President Trump wants
to make changes to chain migration more broadly than only the relatives of the so-called Dreamers, Short said.
Democrats are opposed to curbing it at all.

Cotton said the Flake proposal did not make sufficient changes to the practice. "It's a joke of a proposal," he said.
Cotton wants chain migration limited to spouses and minor children.
“Not for parents, not for adult kids, not for married kids,” Cotton said.

Graham bristled at those comments.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/j...n-falls-flat-with-republicans/article/2645653

 

[johnwk]

It is absolutely hilarious to see how our communist/socialist/progressive crowd's heads are exploding over a legitimate question.

You have it backwards. Immigration restriction always has been and remains one of the hallmarks of socialism and progressivism.

You will have to clarify and substantiate that bizarre assertion. Aside from that you never did answer the question asked in the post you responded to:“Why are we having all these people from ******** countries come here?”



So, tell us, why are we allowing the poverty stricken, poorly educated low and unskilled populations of poverty stricken nations come here? It is utter insanity to do so!


JWK





American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

 

[johnwk]

Would you still "benefit" if government didn't support the US cheap labor class?

Strip the free $#@! programs and watch how quickly the third world labor becomes a liability.

And, also watch how, today, without stripping the free $#@! programs, today's hard working American citizens have been made into tax slaves to fund the free $#@! programs which the poverty stricken populations of $#@! hole countries receive after invading our country. The bottom line is, America's hard working Citizens get $#@! holed either way!


JWK



There was a time not too long ago in New York when the able-bodied were ashamed to accept home relief, a program created by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1931 when he was Governor. Now, New York City and many other major cities are infested with countless government cheese factions from $#@! hole countries, who not only demand welfare, but use it to buy beer, wine, drugs, sex, and Lotto tickets.

 

[johnwk]

I don't follow. How could more labor conceivably be a liability?

When the value of the labor provided is less than the value of free $#@! the laborer gets from government.


JWK




American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

 

[johnwk]

But the overall impact is a net good for most parties, including most employees..

As is usually the case with you ___ one who is selective in mentioning the parties who benefit ___ you forget about the impact government subsidized labor has on hard working American Citizens who are made into tax slaves to pay for the free$#@! government subsidized labor.


Why do you ignore the plight of hard working American citizens in our nation's inner cities, some of whom are working two and three jobs to extricate themselves from their circumstances, who are taxed to finance the free $#@! government subsidized labor you embrace?


JWK



"To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, [socialists, progressives and the poverty stricken populations who have invaded America's borders], to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation."____ Savings and Loan Association v.Topeka,(1875).

 

[johnwk]

Notice that nothing in what you just quoted, including what you bolded, once again, entails a denial that Trump used the word "$#@!hole" at all in the meeting. They just pick out one attributed quote and basically say, "No, we don't recall him saying those exact words in that order applying that particular vulgarity to the specific countries that were alleged."

Again, that's all beside the point though, because he himself fully admits that he essentially said the same thing, just without the word "$#@!hole," being specifically applied to Haiti, and stands by it.

This is according to Trump's own tweets that are right there in that same article.

Give it a freaken break! It has been common to use the phrase "third world countries" for years without rage being created. President Trump's use of $#@! hole, if true, merely puts an exclamation point on "third world countries".


Stop making a big ado over nothing, and focus on the free $#@! government subsidized programs handed out to the poverty stricken populations of third world countries who are, and have been, invading America's borders. Is it not time to stop making American citizens into tax slaves to finance the free $#@! programs handed out to the poverty stricken populations of other countries who have invaded America's borders?


JWK



American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

 

[Jan2017]

Rand on Meet the Press today reminds us of Lindsey Graham . . .

Watch: Lindsey Graham – Who Blasted Trump for ‘Shithole’ Comment – Called Mexico a ‘Hellhole’ in 2013
Graham, in 2013, said during a Senate panel discussion that Mexico and other countries
the majority of illegal aliens are deriving from are a “hellhole.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ole-comment-called-mexico-a-hellhole-in-2013/

 

[nikcers]

This was obviously leaked out because they want to create partisan gridlock where there is none, they are too worried about letting the other side win and they don't care if it hurts the country. I hope Rand keeps calling out these side shows as he sees them. This issue will decide which party wins the majority. We will see if Don is installing more democrats because we already had this argument with the election if he turns weak kneed here we will see his true colors.

 

[Schifference]

A hellhole is not a shithole!
I am confident that Senator Graham could elaborate on the distinction.

 

[nikcers]

A hellhole is not a $#@!hole!
I am confident that Senator Graham could elaborate on the distinction.

Hell is relative- Norway is a hellhole for people who love capitalism and hate taxes.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Haiti, Favelas and Property Rights

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/haiti-favelas-property-rights/

Michael S. Rozeff

A lot of people live in slums called favelas, places where you and I certainly do not want to live. Search Google to find photos. Haiti is one such place.

On a scale of 0 to 100, poorest to best scores, Haiti has a property rights score of 13, the lowest even of its peers. Cuba is 32 and Jamaica is 58. America is 81. We used to be 90 before 2009. In 2010 it fell to 85 and in 2014, to 80.

Haiti’s property rights problem is also a government problem, a legal problem, a political problem and an enforcement problem. It’s a problem that has resisted improvement for a long, long time. The cited article indicates specific legal problems.

The name-calling surrounding Trump’s remarks obscures the lesson that everyone needs to be taught, respect and know, which is that secure private property rights are essential for people to make something of their lives. Without security for the ownership of what one builds or produces, one loses the incentive to own and to produce in the first place. If property can be stolen, taxed or regulated away at the unstable whim of others or government, or if property cannot be clearly obtained and defended, what incentive is there to attain it in the first place?

Property rights have to be separated from racism. We in America cannot sustain strong property rights if we override them with government powers that supposedly are aiming to create progress against discrimination. Rental discrimination is not per se or automatically racism unless the force of law stands behind such discrimination; and that has happened in our country’s history. Private discrimination should not be outlawed at the price of eroding or destroying private property rights. That accomplishes nothing. Individuals or a whole society do not become more tolerant by passing a law outlawing intolerance.

It’s novel for a president’s opinions to be expressed bluntly and revealed so quickly. It’s not novel any longer for this president to be accused on one ground after another. In this case, the accusation is racism. Well before the current incident, the case was being made that Trump is racist, such as this article in Fortune. Most of this particular article dwells on Trump’s resistance to laws that infringed on the property rights of landlords. Anyone who opposes provisions of the U.S. Code that supposedly uphold civil rights and end discrimination, while simultaneously undermining property rights, can be and many have been accused of racism. How ironic it is that Trump attempted 50 years ago to defend his property rights, not a racist position, and now he is accused of being racist for a remark made about countries that have terrible property rights, such that they produce a large stream of people seeking to escape to other countries that have more secure property rights.

The storm of remarks critical of Trump’s comment may include people of sincere belief as well as people who are politically motivated. It doesn’t much matter. The point is the confusion of racism with the defense of property rights. The point is that terrible property rights are one major cause of favelas in many parts of the world. If America decimated its property rights, we’d have the same result here.

It just so happens that most of the world is not white, something like 70 percent. It also happens that property rights vary across the world, and a variety of legal and government enforcement systems prevail. Identifying a place as having poor property rights is likely simultaneously to pick out a place that has a nonwhite population or some other ethnic or religious character. This is because much of the world is nonwhite, much of the world doesn’t have legal and governing systems that result in secure property rights, and crucially because societies with governments tend to be somewhat homogeneous along some such lines as race, ethnicity, language, legal code and religion. The cause of poor government and property rights is not skin color, which is a superficial trait. What then are the causes of poor property rights? Or the opposite: What are the reasons why some countries enjoy superior property rights?

 

[nikcers]

It just so happens that most of the world is not white, something like 70 percent. It also happens that property rights vary across the world, and a variety of legal and government enforcement systems prevail. Identifying a place as having poor property rights is likely simultaneously to pick out a place that has a nonwhite population or some other ethnic or religious character. This is because much of the world is nonwhite, much of the world doesn’t have legal and governing systems that result in secure property rights,

Good post I would add though to me it has nothing to do with race I don't want white people coming here demanding big government either. I don't care if they are from Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Germany, or Mexico. America was founded by people fleeing their country to create a country where the state would leave you the hell alone, I don't want any bad ideas coming.

 

[Ender]

Good post I would add though to me it has nothing to do with race I don't want white people coming here demanding big government either. I don't care if they are from Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Germany, or Mexico. America was founded by people fleeing their country to create a country where the state would leave you the hell alone, I don't want any bad ideas coming.

We lost that country with the CONstitution coupe. Part of the US indoctrination system, known as public ed, is to make you think you still have some freedom. Property "rights" are a joke- just stop paying your property taxes and the real owners will show up.

The real problem with letting shithole countries immigrate here is not them, but US gov.

Get rid of entitlements. Period. And get .gov out of medicine, food, the poverty problem, etc. and watch everyone flourish.

And, BTW, have some good friends that do a lot of service work with Haitians and say that, overall, they are a wonderful people.

 

[nikcers]

We lost that country with the CONstitution coupe. Part of the US indoctrination system, known as public ed, is to make you think you still have some freedom. Property "rights" are a joke- just stop paying your property taxes and the real owners will show up.

The real problem with letting $#@!hole countries immigrate here is not them, but US gov.

Get rid of entitlements. Period. And get .gov out of medicine, food, the poverty problem, etc. and watch everyone flourish.

And, BTW, have some good friends that do a lot of service work with Haitians and say that, overall, they are a wonderful people.

A country accepting immigrants from the countries they are destroying with their foreign policy and monetary policies is too little to late. Its like putting out some fires after starting a bunch of fires. I say we stop starting these fires before we import hell here.

 

[Ender]

A country accepting immigrants from the countries they are destroying with their foreign policy and monetary policies is too little to late. Its like putting out some fires after starting a bunch of fires. I say we stop starting these fires before we import hell here.

Exactly.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Trump seems to be caught up in a tough spot, is any group happy with his border control policies?


Right is unhappy

[QUOT]Rhetorical fireworks aside, there is some bad news for GOP as Trump has started to alienate some of his core "base".





Trump’s immigration meeting was lowest day of presidency: Ann Coulter

[/QUOTE]



Left is unhappy


'S---hole' projected onto Trump hotel

By Jacqueline Thomsen - 01/13/18

The word “shithole” was projected onto President Trump’s D.C. hotel Saturday.
Video shows the word, along with the poop emoji, being projected onto the property.
“Pay Trump bribes here,” “emoluments welcome” and “we are all responsible to stand up and end white supremacy” were also projected onto the building.Trump has faced intense backlash for calling Haiti, El Salvador and African nations “shithole countries” during an Oval Office meeting on immigration this week.
“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump reportedly said, before suggesting that the U.S. bring in more immigrants from countries like Norway.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/368937-shithole-projected-onto-trump-hotel

 

[johnwk]

Exactly.

 

[shakey1]

If Trump had even actually said the descript verbiage, you'd think some kind of audio or video proof would've surfaced by now... much ado about nothing... now it's the MSM story of the week.

 

[Schifference]

Offer free beer and taco's 24/7/365 on the other side of the border. Post warning signs and plant land mines on this side.

 

[Superfluous Man]

So, tell us, why are we allowing the poverty stricken, poorly educated low and unskilled populations of poverty stricken nations come here? It is utter insanity to do so!

Because the alternative is not allowing them, by way of doing unethical things to stop peaceful people from engaging in harmless activities.

You have the right to keep them off of your own privately owned property. But you have no right to keep them off of any property that is not rightfully yours, such as the workplace of an employer who wants to hire them.

You may not want to welcome them. But when others of us want to, it's none of your, or Trump's, business.