Tom McClintock pays tribute to Ron Paul

[compromise]

http://www.facebook.com/jointom/posts/10151115174841861

The Tea Party was the single biggest political movement in 2009 and 2010. This movement energized fully one-third of the American electorate across party lines. Long before the Tea Party, we had another name for that phenomenon. We used to call it the “Reagan Coalition.” But this year, those who tell us we need a bigger tent told the Tea Party to get out. And many did.

Ron Paul brought a tidal wave of young people into the party. His simple message of unadulterated freedom resonated deeply on college campuses. But this year, those who tell us we need a bigger tent told Ron Paul and his supporters to get out. And many did.

Republicans cannot build a majority by systematically ejecting the constituent parts of our base coalition. Working Americans of every race know instinctively that you cannot borrow and spend your way rich. We can be confident that our principles resonate, but only when we are true to them with our existing constituencies while we reach out with them to new constituencies.

 

[jbuttell]

and yet he couldn't endorse Ron Paul during the primaries.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

and yet he couldn't endorse Ron Paul during the primaries.

Precisely. A wink and a nod is nice, but it'd be much more considerate and genuine if this had come when it mattered, not when the man is no longer in Congress. These tributes and nice words....some of them, anyway, to me, don't offer much other than trying to cozy up with Paul's voter base long after the election has ended.

 

[klamath]

I have listened to mcClintock for years. He always was a friend of RP's and stuck up for him. In 2007 I felt stabbed in the heart when he praised RP but refused to endorse him for president saying RP wasn't cut from presidential timber. Since that time I have come to believe McClintock was right. RP is top of the apex when it comes to philosophic leadership but real low on executive leadership and it takes a lot of executive leadership to be president.

 

[JK/SEA]

fuck this jackal.

next.

signed, NO-COMPROMISE

 

[JK/SEA]

I have listened to mcClintock for years. He always was a friend of RP's and stuck up for him. In 2007 I felt stabbed in the heart when he praised RP but refused to endorse him for president saying RP wasn't cut from presidential timber. Since that time I have come to believe McClintock was right. RP is top of the apex when it comes to philosophic leadership but real low on executive leadership and it takes a lot of executive leadership to be president.

bullshit, but thanks for your opinion.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

bullshit, but thanks for your opinion.

To be fair, someone who finds it distasteful to tell other people what to do is going to have a hard time as an executive. I'm pretty sure that's what klamath was talking about. Ron had a hard time bossing his own campaign staff around. As a unitary executive, that problem would magnify.

Don't misunderstand me, I don't consider a distaste for bossing people around a weakness, rather I consider it a strength...inasmuch as the American form of liberty is based in the concept of a government that specifically does NOT boss its citizens around.

However, that character trait to be fair would make the role of executive specifically an order of magnitude more difficult.

 

[JK/SEA]

To be fair, someone who finds it distasteful to tell other people what to do is going to have a hard time as an executive. I'm pretty sure that's what klamath was talking about. Ron had a hard time bossing his own campaign staff around. As a unitary executive, that problem would magnify.

Don't misunderstand me, I don't consider a distaste for bossing people around a weakness, rather I consider it a strength...inasmuch as the American form of liberty is based in the concept of a government that specifically does NOT boss its citizens around.

However, that character trait to be fair would make the role of executive specifically an order of magnitude more difficult.

As someone who supervised a crew, i can tell you there are other techniques and managerial skills that can be implemented without being a bossy bossy asshole boss, and found my supervisor skills were successful. I should tell you though that my crew knew they couldn't fuck with me. Respect given, respect earned and recipricated in return. If you couldn't follow my lead, then we have a problem. The BOSS is always right. Ron has a ifferent approach, but alas, we were never given the chance to see how he would have handled his Executive abilities. Personnally, i truly believe he would have made a great President.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

As someone who supervised a crew, i can tell you there are other techniques and managerial skills that can be implemented without being a bossy bossy asshole boss.

I've done plenty of supervision myself. That doesn't change the basic fact that someone who has a hard time being the executive of a political Presidential campaign is going to have an even harder time being the executive of the biggest government on the planet. I mean, sure, that's WHY WE LIKE HIM, but it doesn't alter the basic objective reality of it.

I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who will have the same basic fundamental problem. There are loads of people in NC who want me to run for NCGOP Chairman now, and run for NC Governor in 2016 or 2020. I am more than capable of supervising a team of 7 or a crew of 14, or a division of 50. I am not, however, ignorant of the fact that I will find it difficult to be the executive of thousands.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

As someone who supervised a crew, i can tell you there are other techniques and managerial skills that can be implemented without being a bossy bossy asshole boss, and found my supervisor skills were successful. I should tell you though that my crew knew they couldn't fuck with me. Respect given, respect earned and recipricated in return. If you couldn't follow my lead, then we have a problem. The BOSS is always right. Ron has a ifferent approach, but alas, we were never given the chance to see how he would have handled his Executive abilities. Personnally, i truly believe he would have made a great President.

Of course he would have made a great President. That's not what's being discussed here. An executive over tens of thousands is a bit different than a supervisor over dozens.

 

[JK/SEA]

I've done plenty of supervision myself. That doesn't change the basic fact that someone who has a hard time being the executive of a political Presidential campaign is going to have an even harder time being the executive of the biggest government on the planet. I mean, sure, that's WHY WE LIKE HIM, but it doesn't alter the basic objective reality of it.

I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who will have the same basic fundamental problem. There are loads of people in NC who want me to run for NCGOP Chairman now, and run for NC Governor in 2016 or 2020. I am more than capable of supervising a team of 7 or a crew of 14, or a division of 50. I am not, however, ignorant of the fact that I will find it difficult to be the executive of thousands.

Wasn't aware that someone has to pass a litmus test of being a boss (to someones definition of) to whether or not they can be President. Reminds of this notion you have to have been in the Military to be qualified.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Wasn't aware that someone has to pass a litmus test of being a boss (to someones definition of) to whether or not they can be President. Reminds of this notion you have to have been in the Military to be qualified.

LOL are you even reading what I am writing, or are you just assuming what you think I am saying and responding to yourself? Because the latter is what it looks like you are doing to me.

 

[JK/SEA]

LOL are you even reading what I am writing, or are you just assuming what you think I am saying and responding to yourself? Because the latter is what it looks like you are doing to me.

hmmm..well Glen from what i'm reading, you were defending Klamath for alluding to Ron not having the Executive balls to be President because of the idea Ron didn't 'handle' his campaign staff the way you and he would have liked.

''I have come to believe McClintock was right. RP is top of the apex when it comes to philosophic leadership but real low on executive leadership and it takes a lot of executive leadership to be president.''

I don't agree with that last sentence.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I'm not even gonna get in on this but I see where Klamath and Gunny are coming from.

 

[JK/SEA]

I'm not even gonna get in on this but I see where Klamath and Gunny are coming from.

so why the hell did any of you promote Ron Paul for President?...or did you?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

so why the hell did any of you promote Ron Paul for President?...or did you?

So clearly you are not addressing what anybody here is saying, rather you are addressing what you believe 'people like us' would think. That being the case, what is the point in continuing this discussion?

You have already observed that we have worked our fingers to the bone to get Ron Paul elected, and made the logical conclusion that if we though Ron Paul would be a horrible President we would not have done so.

YET YOU CONTINUE TO ASSUME that we think that way.

Because somehow in your mind anybody who recognizes the difficulties of wielding executive power inherent in being a liberty minded person must therefore oppose everything Ron Paul stands for.

Stop inventing out of thin air what you think 'people like us' should believe, and it may actually become profitable to have this discussion with you.

 

[Brett85]

A lot of members of Congress didn't endorse Ron because they didn't think he had any chance to win at all, which was true. They shouldn't be personally attacked for a non endorsement, particularly when they give such a nice speech honoring Ron. They should be praised for that.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

hmmm..well Glen from what i'm reading, you were defending Klamath for alluding to Ron not having the Executive balls to be President because of the idea Ron didn't 'handle' his campaign staff the way you and he would have liked.

''I have come to believe McClintock was right. RP is top of the apex when it comes to philosophic leadership but real low on executive leadership and it takes a lot of executive leadership to be president.''

I don't agree with that last sentence.

That's fine. I don't entirely agree with it either. I believe Ron Paul would have made one of the best if not the best Presidents in American history.

Why do you assume that a singular point of disagreement on one item carries with it an entire mindset of your own invention?

You see, this is very much akin to my pet peeve of people who cram their own words in my mouth. In this case instead of words you are cramming an entire mindset I do not hold down my gullet and excoriating me for holding beliefs that YOU have assigned to me.

Surely you can understand why that is annoying, no?

 

[Deborah K]

I voted for McClintock when he ran for governor in Cali. I still think we would have been much better off if he had won.

 

[JK/SEA]

That's fine. I don't entirely agree with it either. I believe Ron Paul would have made one of the best if not the best Presidents in American history.

Why do you assume that a singular point of disagreement on one item carries with it an entire mindset of your own invention?

You see, this is very much akin to my pet peeve of people who cram their own words in my mouth. In this case instead of words you are cramming an entire mindset I do not hold down my gullet and excoriating me for holding beliefs that YOU have assigned to me.

Surely you can understand why that is annoying, no?

Annoying is a subjective term. Works both ways in this case....apparently.