Tom McClintock pays tribute to Ron Paul

[sailingaway]

Some day I may forgive this guy, but I still remember in 2008 he said Ron Paul 'didn't have the stature to be president', and then turned around and asked for his endorsement in his race - which Ron gave because Ron is more of a saint than I will ever be.

I'll watch and see if today is the day I get over that. McClintock is better than 90% of those on the Hill.

 

[sailingaway]

As someone who supervised a crew, i can tell you there are other techniques and managerial skills that can be implemented without being a bossy bossy asshole boss, and found my supervisor skills were successful. I should tell you though that my crew knew they couldn't fuck with me. Respect given, respect earned and recipricated in return. If you couldn't follow my lead, then we have a problem. The BOSS is always right. Ron has a ifferent approach, but alas, we were never given the chance to see how he would have handled his Executive abilities. Personnally, i truly believe he would have made a great President.

so do I.

when was the last time we had a president whose ACTIONS, not just rhetoric, inspired people?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Annoying is a subjective term. Works both ways in this case....apparently.

You annoy me because you are assigning your imaginary positions to me as though I believe them. I annoy you because you think I believe the imaginary positions you assign to me.

Totally different categories, don't you think?

 

[JK/SEA]

You annoy me because you are assigning your imaginary positions to me as though I believe them. I annoy you because you think I believe the imaginary positions you assign to me.

Totally different categories, don't you think?

bullshit, but thanks for your opinion.

ok, you win. I'm annoying, you're not. I don't know what the hell i'm talking about, you do. There, better now?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

ok, you win. I'm annoying, you're not. I don't know what the hell i'm talking about, you do. There, better now?

I'm pretty sure that I know when someone is attributing to me positions I do not hold. If you think otherwise, then yes, I would say you are wrong.

 

[JK/SEA]

I'm pretty sure that I know when someone is attributing to me positions I do not hold. If you think otherwise, then yes, I would say you are wrong.

so, you meant what exactly, in your comment in agreeing with Klamath that Ron lacks Executive cajones?....you can't have it both ways, or do you actually believe Ron has this 'perceived' flaw?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

so, you meant what exactly, in your comment in agreeing with Klamath that Ron lacks Executive cajones?....you can't have it both ways, or do you actually believe Ron has this 'perceived' flaw?

Please quote me where I said "Ron lacks Executive cajones"

Or....

is that in fact what YOU said?

 

[SpreadOfLiberty]

It's interesting that two of the closest people to Ron Paul in Congress in terms of voting records, Tom McClintock and Jimmy Duncan, pay tribute to him and then some say they are just latching on for the Ron Paul supporters because they didn't endorse him. But why don't other people do it then, besides those that are most like Ron Paul?

 

[JK/SEA]

Please quote me where I said "Ron lacks Executive cajones"

Or....

is that in fact what YOU said?

your post #7. Granted, taking the LIBERTY to use the term cajones is mine, but i have this knack of cutting to the chase by using colorful descriptions of what people say...or mean. Irrelevant actually. Still carry's weight either way.

I think you are waay off base in your critique of Ron.

 

[JK/SEA]

It's interesting that two of the closest people to Ron Paul in Congress in terms of voting records, Tom McClintock and Jimmy Duncan, pay tribute to him and then some say they are just latching on for the Ron Paul supporters because they didn't endorse him. But why don't other people do it then, besides those that are most like Ron Paul?

"Beware of those who claim association with Ron Paul, but who promote compromise and appeasement. Beware of those who would trade on Ron Paul's name for their own personal agendas. Beware of those who claim Ron Paul's pedigree, yet who are nothing more than establishment insiders--or who want to be. Ron Paul was never intimidated by, or enamored with, the establishment. He could not be bullied or bribed. He was an indefatigable, courageous champion of liberty. And those who claim his legacy, but who seek the approbation of the establishment elite, never understood the first thing about Ron Paul."

---Chuck Baldwin

 

[Brett85]

It's interesting that two of the closest people to Ron Paul in Congress in terms of voting records, Tom McClintock and Jimmy Duncan, pay tribute to him and then some say they are just latching on for the Ron Paul supporters because they didn't endorse him. But why don't other people do it then, besides those that are most like Ron Paul?

^^Thread winner.

 

[SpreadOfLiberty]

"Beware of those who claim association with Ron Paul, but who promote compromise and appeasement. Beware of those who would trade on Ron Paul's name for their own personal agendas. Beware of those who claim Ron Paul's pedigree, yet who are nothing more than establishment insiders--or who want to be. Ron Paul was never intimidated by, or enamored with, the establishment. He could not be bullied or bribed. He was an indefatigable, courageous champion of liberty. And those who claim his legacy, but who seek the approbation of the establishment elite, never understood the first thing about Ron Paul."

---Chuck Baldwin

And that doesn't apply whatsoever.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

your post #7. Granted, taking the LIBERTY to use the term cajones is mine, but i have this knack of cutting to the chase by using colorful descriptions of what people say...or mean. Irrelevant actually. Still carry's weight either way.

I think you are waay off base in your critique of Ron.

Not only does that not look like a quote, you are once again attributing to me positions I do not hold.

I have, in fact, IN THIS VERY THREAD called the distaste for authoritarianism a strength as opposed to a weakness.

Now either quote me where I said "Ron lacks Executive cajones," or admit that you are just randomly applying positions to me that I do not hold because it makes it easier for you to hate me by doing so.

 

[klamath]

Executive leadership has nothing to do with being bossy. It has to do with being able to pick a staff and follow up how they are representing you. To me this is where RP failed. Newsletters being one example. What would have happened had that been the head of CIA or NSC? He trusted people not to follow their agenda and mess him over and that came back to bite him. I also have problems with his selection of campaign staff.
Dondero was another poor choice. Being able to judge someones charactor you are appointing to represent you is an important part of executive leadership.
Even with my belief that RP was not strong in this type of leadership he still could have made a wonderful president but there was a fair chance people he appointed in his administration would not have represented what RP wanted.

 

[SpreadOfLiberty]

We have 5 Congressmen who have gotten JBS Voting Index scores of 90+ in each of the last two sessions of Congress. They are Ron Paul, Justin Amash, Jimmy Duncan, Paul Broun, and Tom McClintock. In that order if my memory is correct. Because they are like minded, they often work together and are friends. But yeah, it must be some plot to get the Ron Paul supporters support. And I'm sorry, but as a voting block and donor base politicians are better off cursing us than praising us.

For those wondering about Walter Jones, he has actually done poorly until the most recent session, when he scored an incredible 98% which was second to Ron Paul's 100%.

 

[JK/SEA]

Not only does that not look like a quote, you are once again attributing to me positions I do not hold.

I have, in fact, IN THIS VERY THREAD called the distaste for authoritarianism a strength as opposed to a weakness.

Now either quote me where I said "Ron lacks Executive cajones," or admit that you are just randomly applying positions to me that I do not hold because it makes it easier for you to hate me by doing so.

i'd rather quote post #4 of which you defended. And stop with this hurt feelings BS.

'' but real low on executive leadership and it takes a lot of executive leadership to be president.''

THIS...is bullshit, and YOU agreed with it. You applied YOUR own position by agreeing to this quote.

 

[sailingaway]

We have 5 Congressmen who have gotten JBS Voting Index scores of 90+ in each of the last two sessions of Congress. They are Ron Paul, Justin Amash, Jimmy Duncan, Paul Broun, and Tom McClintock. In that order if my memory is correct. Because they are like minded, they often work together and are friends. But yeah, it must be some plot to get the Ron Paul supporters support. And I'm sorry, but as a voting block and donor base politicians are better off cursing us than praising us.

For those wondering about Walter Jones, he has actually done poorly until the most recent session, when he scored an incredible 98% which was second to Ron Paul's 100%.

I support McClintock as one of our best members in the House, I'm just peeved at him.

 

[JK/SEA]

Executive leadership has nothing to do with being bossy. It has to do with being able to pick a staff and follow up how they are representing you. To me this is where RP failed. Newsletters being one example. What would have happened had that been the head of CIA or NSC? He trusted people not to follow their agenda and mess him over and that came back to bite him. I also have problems with his selection of campaign staff.
Dondero was another poor choice. Being able to judge someones charactor you are appointing to represent you is an important part of executive leadership.
Even with my belief that RP was not strong in this type of leadership he still could have made a wonderful president but there was a fair chance people he appointed in his administration would not have represented what RP wanted.

seriously?...lol...you beat the hell out of Ron, then say he would have been a good President?...you make zero sense, but hey Gunny agrees with you, so all is not lost...lol...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

i'd rather quote post #4 of which you defended. And stop with this hurt feelings BS.

'' but real low on executive leadership and it takes a lot of executive leadership to be president.''

THIS...is bullshit, and YOU agreed with it. You applied YOUR own position by agreeing to this quote.

You are still claiming that I have said things I did not say.

Just admit that you were wrong.

Why on Earth would you insist on attributing to me positions I do not hold?

And when I call out that practice, you act like I don't even know what I believe, but continue to insist that I believe what YOU claim I believe?

Either quote me saying the things you keep pretending that I am saying, or apologize and admit that you are wrong.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

seriously?...lol...you beat the hell out of Ron, then say he would have been a good President?...you make zero sense, but hey Gunny agrees with you, so all is not lost...lol...

LOL even after I said that I disagreed, and given the whole point of his post was to state how he disagrees with me.

Why are you doing this JK/SEA?

Are you seriously trying to tell the people of RPF's that you know what I believe better than I know what I believe? Are you seriously saying that?

Because that's just crazy!

I admit however, that it strikes me very similarly to what the media does to Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and myself.