Today's the debate! OFFICIAL 9/7 debate thread!

Uriah said:
Someone made a comment about the expression on Ron's face as he walked off stage and greeted Carol. What was the expression?
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Ok, since two of you have asked about it and no one else has answered, either everyone had missed it or had stopped watching in disgust or were throwing things at the tv set. Ron sort of puffed up his cheeks and blew out a big breath, then shook his head. It was the most upset / angry / disgusted / frustrated I've ever seen him look. There was something there in his eyes that I've never seen before, he looked like he was ready to punch someone.
 
invisible said:
Ok, since two of you have asked about it and no one else has answered, either everyone had missed it or had stopped watching in disgust or were throwing things at the tv set. Ron sort of puffed up his cheeks and blew out a big breath, then shook his head. It was the most upset / angry / disgusted / frustrated I've ever seen him look. There was something there in his eyes that I've never seen before, he looked like he was ready to punch someone.
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Did that make it onto the official debate footage, and by extension, onto the YouTube vids?
 
BuddyRey said:
Did that make it onto the official debate footage, and by extension, onto the YouTube vids?
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Doubtful. It was at the end when they were doing the split-screen showing the people in the studio and different camera angles of the candidates post debate. Dr. Paul walked toward his wife and did one of those big sighs where your cheeks expand really big and your lips separate as the wind blows out (I have no idea how to better explain it.) He was shaking his head as he was doing and starting to talk to her.

They cut away before you could read his lips, but he looked really disappointed about something to me. I make that face when Bama or the Braves lose.
 
^ I know exactly what you mean. Kind of like how Ron sighed and shook his head back in '08 when McCain said Ron's kind of "isolationism" allowed Hitler to come to power? If so, there's two ways we can interpret this; either he was pissed off at not having received sufficient time by MSNBC staff during the debate, or he was venting as a reaction to something inappropriate and/or threatening that Perry might have said to him during their exchange.
 
BuddyRey said:
^ I know exactly what you mean. Kind of like how Ron sighed and shook his head back in '08 when McCain said Ron's kind of "isolationism" allowed Hitler to come to power? If so, there's two ways we can interpret this; either he was pissed off at not having received sufficient time by MSNBC staff during the debate, or he was venting as a reaction to something inappropriate and/or threatening that Perry might have said to him during their exchange.
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I didn't really take it that way. If we're thinking about the same thing (I think it was LE's avatar,) he looked confident and resolute in that exchange. The look on his face tonight was one of dejection. I don't want to overstate the situation because it was only a few seconds in split screen, but it was a look I haven't seen on Ron Paul's face before.
 
Just watched the Ron Paul highlights reel and without any rose-tinted glasses, I think he did well. He didn't even make any extremely controversial answers - he stressed that States can take care of alot what the Federal government is doing now if need to be.
 
FreedomProsperityPeace said:
They better air it on CNBC. :mad: If they were smart, NBC would air it on all their channels. They go to all this trouble and only air the GOP debate on their liberal news station?
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So all their channels can pretend the next day that only Perry and Romney were there. Controlling the thing isn't about airing it, it's about, well, controlling the news. You just haven't learned GEThink yet...
 
KurtBoyer25L said:
I don't see what was so bad about tonight's debate. Ron didn't make any gaffe that anyone's talking about. They froze him out and pushed the mainstream guys, big wow. We should expect that already.
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There was one comment that made me cringe. When he said he would remove the air conditions from the troops in Iraq, you and I know what he meant. But the average voter watching probably didn't hear it as a plea to bring the troops home. All they heard was he would take amenities away from troops in a war zone.
 
In the sound bite era from 1960 to 2008 you would be correct that Ron Paul's performance would be viewed as sub-par. And of course the bought and paid for media is still trying to cram that down our throats telling us that Perry and Romney won and that they are the front-runners. But they are missing the paradigm shift that has occurred in the country. Enough of us are awake and every human element of Dr. Paul’s struggle on the stage actually plays to his advantage. He is the only thing on the stage that is real. The moderators and all the other candidates are still playing to an audience they think is asleep. I’m awake. I was a delegate for Obama in ’08. Wake the person up next to you. We must return to the constitution and take back our civil liberties. Ron Paul knew what the country needed to do 30 years ago and now the rest of us are catching up to him.
 
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jrspc said:
In the sound bite era from 1960 to 2008 you would be correct that Ron Paul's performance would be viewed as sub-par. And of course the bought and paid for media is still trying to cram that down our throats telling us that Perry and Romney won and that they are the front-runners. But they are missing the paradigm shift that has occurred in the country. Enough of us are awake and every human element of Dr. Paul’s struggle on the stage actually plays to his advantage. He is the only thing on the stage that is real. The moderators and all the other candidates are still playing to an audience they think is asleep. I’m awake. I was a delegate for Obama in ’08. Wake the person up next to you. We must return to the constitution and take back our civil liberties. Ron Paul knew what the country needed to do 30 years ago and now the rest of us are catching up to him.
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Do you think that any part of Ron's replies were scripted?
 
jrspc said:
In the sound bite era from 1960 to 2008 you would be correct that Ron Paul's performance would be viewed as sub-par. And of course the bought and paid for media is still trying to cram that down our throats telling us that Perry and Romney won and that they are the front-runners. But they are missing the paradigm shift that has occurred in the country. Enough of us are awake and every human element of Dr. Paul’s struggle on the stage actually plays to his advantage. He is the only thing on the stage that is real. The moderators and all the other candidates are still playing to an audience they think is asleep. I’m awake. I was a delegate for Obama in ’08. Wake the person up next to you. We must return to the constitution and take back our civil liberties. Ron Paul knew what the country needed to do 30 years ago and now the rest of us are catching up to him.
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Welcome jrspc, not a bad 1st post.
 
(YumYum) Scripted??

I believe that Dr. Paul enters the debate prepared to answer the questions that he is asked to field as best he can once the question is posed. He probably does this by planning ahead about what he thinks he will be asked. And by reminding himself of what his most important points are to get across on the various issues. However, it is clear that the puppet master’s agenda is to try to paint him off in a marginalized corner as “crazy”. So the questions are loaded and purposeful in their content. I do not think Dr Paul spits out rehearsed answers or canned/scripted talking points. I think he speaks from the heart and soul of the person that he is who truly believes in what he is saying. And I believe enough of the country is looking for a President with a soul. A real person.

(Civuamericanus) I appreciate your kind words.
 
America is the most important country that has ever existed in known (recorded) human history. And like all organisms (or institutions) it has its own life force that is finite and must at some point end. I want our country to recognize that this is not just another day at the office. That our constitution and civil liberties must have breath pumped into to them or they will perish. It is up to each of those awake to find another spirit next to you that is calling for help. Obviously, many around us are so deep in REM that energy spent towards their potential recitation will be wasted. Thus, you must focus your attention not on the awakened and not the poor souls in profound hibernation but those that appear to be restless. Provide an alternative to people that seek change, or a new way to see things. Each of us must have the courage to do this because we understand that our country is worth fighting for.
 
Worst part of the debate, by far, was the amount of applause Perry got for his support of legal murder. How in hell can you believe in 'small government' and believe that the government has the right to eliminate something as precious as a human life? Support for the death penalty is just so unspeakably inhumane.
 
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