Thought y'all would want to know what Occupy DC thinks of Ron Paul

[anaconda]

Cute that those guys were mocking the notion of ending the Fed when they obviously had no idea what they were talking about.

 

[Brett85]

Why would libertarians even consider being associated with a Communist movement to begin with?

 

[Brett85]

I don't see how there's so much confusion.

According to Ron, his ideal society is a fully voluntary one ("I believe voluntary interaction is the best way to go"). He has clearly decided that his best chance at affecting change is through government (He's running for president). If he is serious about affecting change through government, then the closest he can get to his ideals while allowing for the opportunity of his political success is via championing a constitutionally bound America similar to the "relative voluntary society" he believes we had in our early history ("I'm a defender of the Constitution"). He has not abandoned his ideals of a voluntary society ("I believe voluntary interaction is the best way to go") - he has simply decided that binding the current government to the existing constitution is the best, quickest, and closest option we have to a fully voluntary society at this time ("I'm a defender of the Constitution").

It's not that complicated. Either he's ultimately a voluntaryist and it makes perfect practical sense why he claims to be a "defender of the constitution," or he is ultimately a constitutionalist and has lied and contradicted himself in saying "the non-initiation of force and voluntary interaction is the best way to go."

So you're saying that we're actually trying to elect an anarchist as President?

 

[noneedtoaggress]

I lol'd.

Hey, if it quacks like a duck... it just might be a duck. That's all
I'm sayin'.

 

[Travlyr]

So you're saying that we're actually trying to elect an anarchist as President?

Liberalism, State and Government
Liberalism is not anarchism, nor has it anything whatsoever to do with anarchism. - Ludwig von Mises

No, Ron Paul is an honest, consistent, classical liberal who firmly believes in the rule of law.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

Ron: Well, I tell you what... I don't critisize Lysander....
but... and his point is very well taken.
Maybe someday we'll mature to that point.

Heresy, Ron! Blasphemy! You're only distracting everyone from true liberty [defined as my interpretation of a case you were making for sound money]!

 

[lucky_bg]

O for Christ sake people, stop wasting time and energy. If You wanna talk about occupying something, let's talk about occupying something for Ron Paul, that would be usefull for his campaign, like about occupying MSM in New York as a way to promote BlackThisOut moneybomb on this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?321514-Occupy-MSM-FOX-CNN-MSNBC

 

[Becker]

Don't jump to conclusions and write them off.

Frankrep jumping to conclusions? No way, he'd never do that.

He always provides citations from the most credible and infallible sources : JBS, TNA, Communist Manifesto, Ron Paul.

Don't question the guardians of this forum, Conza88 and FrankRep, they've never been wrong.

 

[Revolution9]

Last I heard he is running for president because his supporters convinced him to.

You didn't pay attention then. Probably typical in that you are running with the backslapper contingent now. They like to ignore shit, grand swaths of it generally, so it looks like they are being propped in their illusions.



Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

I lol'd.

Hey, if it quacks like a duck... it just might be a duck. That's all
I'm sayin'.

Or it might just be a quack.

Rev9

 

[noneedtoaggress]

I paid plenty of attention. Ron decided to run for president after being prodded to by those who supported his message, not out of a personal desire to hold a seat of power. He felt it was his duty to run because the support of those who believed in what he was saying. He entered politics out of a motivation to educate about sound money issues after Nixon decoupled the dollar from gold.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

Or it might just be a quack.

Rev9

Anything relevant to add or are you just out to ruffle some feathers?

 

[ClayTrainor]

Anything relevant to add or are you just out to ruffle some feathers?

Rev9 attacks people, not their arguments.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

The funny part is how it's the people who try to control the perception of Ron's association with "anarchism" that end up bringing that association into even greater and greater examination.

This thread wouldn't have become what it has if LibertyEagle hadn't gotten all tripped up over the fact that Adam Kokesh mentioned Ron Paul's name in a segment where he was personally advocating voluntaryism on his own show.

It was a completely minor event, and now it's a thread examining Ron's "anarchist leanings" in close detail with evidence.

Whoops.

 

[Travlyr]

If people would have enough respect for Ron Paul to let him promote himself rather than label him with their agenda, then there would be no need for anyone to defend him.

 

[Revolution9]

Rev9 attacks people, not their arguments.

I deal effectively and audaciously with posters on threads who think they can just stroll over folks, misquote RP for their propagandized line of BS, or stealthily introduce topics in forums where those topics are prohibited due to forum rules and this being primary campaign season, which alot of your backslappers contingent could give two flying fux about. As for your redundantly overwrought and repetitive arguments. I have answered them in other threads and do not feel the need to reiterate them over and over whenever your propaganda pops its weary head up. My role here since almost the first week was to deal humorously with trolls, later to be a grassroots whip and sargeant-at-arms. Don't like it? Chew on it. Stop fuxing with folks and the board and I won't come around and take potshots at your gambits for the elucidation of the readers. Travlyr has attempted to have appropriate discussions with your bunch and you just potshot him and fall back to accusatory mode. Now yer gonna whine about me not scraping and bowing beneath your underhanded tactics. My heart pumps dirty dishwater for ya.

Firing Range Instructor
Rev9

 

[Lothario]

If people would have enough respect for Ron Paul to let him promote himself rather than label him with their agenda, then there would be no need for anyone to defend him.

I just really do not get why you cover your eyes and ears when videos come up where he labels himself a "voluntaryist." It really, really makes no sense to me. You say let Ron speak for himself, and when he does...somehow you think it's someone else's voice...hopeless.

I really have no idea why I even posted this comment - of course it'll be turned around on me.

It's pretty funny, I ran into a fellow RP supporter yesterday and said, "so it's pretty crazy, I was watching some RP interviews today and it turns out RP's ideal society is voluntaryism. He's an anarchist!"

His response: "of course he's an anarchist! are you kidding me? that's nothing new, have you not seen the stuff he says and writes in his books?"

lol...who knew? I guess it's clear to everyone not trying to play campaign manager.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

If people would have enough respect for Ron Paul to let him promote himself rather than label him with their agenda, then there would be no need for anyone to defend him.

Ron: Well, I tell you what... I don't critisize Lysander....
but... and his point is very well taken.
Maybe someday we'll mature to that point.

These are Ron's very own words Travlyr.

What agenda do these words imply?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

If people would have enough respect for Ron Paul to let him promote himself rather than label him with their agenda, then there would be no need for anyone to defend him.

If anything, the anarchist contingent arguing that Ron is one of them should further enforce that Ron isn't going to sell out when he assumes office.

You're looking at it from a half-empty perspective. The glass is half-full.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

I just really do not get why you cover your eyes and ears when videos come up where he labels himself a "voluntaryist." It really, really makes no sense to me. You say let Ron speak for himself, and when he does...somehow you think it's someone else's voice...hopeless.

It's just black magick falsehoods weaved by the heretics. Ron Paul would never believe in the blasphemy they speak, anything but the godstitution is a false idol and Ron Paul knows this better than anyone.