Thought y'all would want to know what Occupy DC thinks of Ron Paul

[nobody's_hero]

Problem with the two party system is how, in order to create two big ones, a lot of little parties have had to compromise away all their ethics and principles. When we bought into the two party system, we cheated ourselves. The real progress beyond The Declaration of Independence and The U.S. Constitution for the American people was the advent of the American Movement which were bipartisan efforts that returned the people to revering our Founding Fathers and the original establishment of our American Civil Purpose.

I agree that we cheated ourselves. In a nation of 300 million people, we've successfully narrowed down our categorizations (basically) to 2 main parties, republican, or democrat. I'd love it if we had 100 or even 1,000 parties. Nothing would ever get done in Washington and we could all rest easy.

But I stand by my comment. If we intend to rely only on the existing republicans in the GOP to win Ron Paul the nomination, we will fail miserably in seeing that he gets to the White House.

Sure, we can sit back and laugh at OWS or shake our heads and remind ourselves of how ignorant these people are, and ultimately we'll follow Ron Paul into irrelevancy, as someone other than the doctor takes the oath of office in January of 2013, and Ron Paul hangs up politics and goes off to enjoy his well-deserved retirement years.

Or we can approach these OWS people and make a case for Ron Paul that might start some gears turning in their heads. I suggest education about the Federal Reserve and how it funds the wars. That should perk up some ears. Then if they start getting worried that ending the Fed means no more welfare, remind them that the reason we have so much welfare and benefits is because the government is trying desparately to fill the void left by a weakening fiat dollar. If our money was actually backed by something, then the dollar would be stronger and we could actually save our money without seeing it stolen from underneath us via inflation.

 

[AuH20]

I agree that we cheated ourselves. In a nation of 300 million people, we've successfully narrowed down our categorizations (basically) to 2 main parties, republican, or democrat. I'd love it if we had 100 or even 1,000 parties. Nothing would ever get done in Washington and we could all rest easy.

But I stand by my comment. If we intend to rely only on the existing republicans in the GOP to win Ron Paul the nomination, we will fail miserably in seeing that he gets to the White House.

Sure, we can sit back and laugh at OWS or shake our heads and remind ourselves of how ignorant these people are, and ultimately we'll follow Ron Paul into irrelevancy, as someone other than the doctor takes the oath of office in January of 2013, and Ron Paul hangs up politics and goes off to enjoy his well-deserved retirement years.

Or we can approach these OWS people and make a case for Ron Paul that might start some gears turning in their heads. I suggest education about the Federal Reserve and how it funds the wars. That should perk up some ears. Then if they start getting worried that ending the Fed means no more welfare, remind them that the reason we have so much welfare and benefits is because the government is trying desparately to fill the void left by a weakening fiat dollar. If our money was actually backed by something, then the dollar would be stronger and we could actually save our money without seeing it stolen from underneath us via inflation.

Ron Paul isn't winning. If Ron had any true traction, he would have filled the void Cain leapt into. He's the John the Baptist of the movement. There is another to come. Not sure if it's Rand but there will be others.

 

[pacelli]

looks like cointelpro had their mitts in the oven on that one! Nice job exposing them Adam!!

 

[noneedtoaggress]

I know Adam personally, and I wanted him to know that I appreciate his tireless work for liberty. I also wanted him to understand that I believe the State to be a beneficial construct for society.

You are trying to tell him this by simply agreeing with a post which basically misunderstands what he's trying to accomplish?

Adam knows that fiat money is the root of the problem and honest sound money is the solution as prescribed by Dr. Ron Paul. I'm encouraging him to stay focused and win rather than divide.

Adam knows that there's a root to the problem of fiat currency, and that fiat currency is not the ultimate problem. You're taking that quote in your sig out of context and compartmentalizing it. Sound money is the only [monetary system] compatible with peace and prosperity. Ancap is compatible with sound money, and prescribes it.

This discussion is for a different thread, if you wish to discuss it further, then start one in political philosophy and I'll respond.

I may later, but I'm not particularly looking to start a very involving exchange over that at the moment... I just wanted you to explain what you meant by that statement... it basically sounded like you were calling myself, and those who also believe the state is an unnecessary institution of men, heretical for our position.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

XD hahahahahahahahaha

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I wonder who payed them to be there and say those things. Looks staged.

 

[Travlyr]

You are trying to tell him this by simply agreeing with a post which basically misunderstands what he's trying to accomplish?

Yes, because I don't talk to Adam on a regular basis and he started this thread. So I figured he would read my response even though we may disagree on societal constructs.

Adam knows that there's a root to the problem of fiat money, and that fiat money is not the ultimate problem. You're taking that quote in your sig out of context and compartmentalizing it. Sound money is the only [monetary system] compatible with peace and prosperity. Ancap is compatible with sound money, and prescribes it.

The quote in my signature is the final paragraph "conclusion if you will" Ron Paul drew in his powerful monograph "Gold, Peace, and Prosperity." The quote is not taken out of context. When you read Ron's work you learn that he is not an AnCap, and he always refers to the constitution as the basis for the rule of law and honest sound money as the basis for peace and prosperity.

I may later, but I'm not particularly looking to start a very involving exchange over that at the moment... I just wanted you to explain what you meant by that statement... it basically sounded like you were calling myself, and those who also believe the state is an unnecessary institution of men, heretical for our position.

Good, because it is a total distraction from regaining liberty, peace, and prosperity in America.

 

[AGRP]

My raydar says Poindexter is on someones bankroll. The only other times Ive heard that much conviction of stupid is from the likes of Neocon talking heads and Union leaders.

 

[Romulus]

Did anyone else giggle when Edward Scissorhands was being pushed out of the doorway of the Newseum by the security staff?

LOL! What building were they trying to get into? A museum?

 

[AuH20]

What's a professional student? LOL

 

[Sola_Fide]

This might even be better than the last video. Please don't forget to share it if you appreciate it!

Thanks Adam. The end was the best.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I just realized that the first sentence wasn't in a form of a question, so you can disregard my plural use of questions (though I still don't understand why you would agree with that statement if you did in fact realize what Adam was advocating.)

Why is anarcho-capitalism a "false idol"?

You seem to be implying that "the state" is a true god to be worshipped and that anarcho-capitalism is a heretical ideology.

You seem to believe that the state equals all government and that is not true.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

Yes, because I don't talk to Adam on a regular basis and he started this thread. So I figured he would read my response even though we may disagree on societal constructs.

So the purpose of that response was for you to remind Adam that you personally disagree with his views of the state, by agreeing with someone who misunderstood what Adam was up to, although you were well aware that they weren't on the same page as Ad. Is that correct?

The quote in my signature is the final paragraph "conclusion if you will" Ron Paul drew in his powerful monogram "Gold, Peace, and Prosperity." The quote is not taken out of context. When you read Ron's work you learn that he is not an AnCap, and he always refers to the constitution as the basis for the rule of law and honest sound money as the basis for peace and prosperity.

That's great. I have a different perspective of Ron than you do.

Perhaps it has less to do with Ron's personal beliefs and more to do with reaching an audience of people like you who cry 'heresy against the state'.

See 5:50 @


& 2:48 @

Good, because it is a total distraction from regaining liberty, peace, and prosperity in America.

Seriously?

 

[noneedtoaggress]

You seem to believe that the state equals all government and that is not true.

Define "government", and I'll tell you if I agree with that statement or not.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You guys do realize that Adam is advocating ancap, right?

Well, see, I was giving Adam the benefit of the doubt. I assumed he knew the difference between the state and government. But, if you are insisting that he doesn't, ok.

Assuming you are correct, it would be asinine to go to this event that has become entwined with George Soros, put out a video mentioning Ron Paul and then advocating anarchy. Especially in light of the fact that we are in the middle of a campaign to win the Republican nomination and Ron Paul does not himself advocate that position. Nice fodder for the nightly news.

Myself, I couldn't imagine Adam doing something like that and figured he wasn't. You seem to be arguing otherwise.

In the end, only Adam can say what he was meaning. Maybe he will step forward and do that.

 

[kuckfeynes]

These people are more terrifying to me than any al Qaeda plot.
It's seriously like watching a horror flick with these things.

 

[Brendan Wenzel]

I'm really trying to figure out what to say after watching thisbut honestly I'm at a loss of words. Good job Adam.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Define "government", and I'll tell you if I agree with that statement or not.

Ask Lew Rockwell. I did several years ago.

 

[jkr]

My bro Adam!

they are simply the sith apprentice shouting at their masters for a BUDGET!
they still must use teh force to get what tehy want instead of doing it themselves.

the next generation of $tatusquoatitions...they are MORE THAN HAPPY to tell their neighbor EXACTLY what to do.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

Well, see, I was giving Adam the benefit of the doubt. I assumed he knew the difference between the state and government. But, if you are insisting that he doesn't, ok.

Assuming you are correct, it would be asinine to go to this event that has become entwined with George Soros, put out a video mentioning Ron Paul and then advocating anarchy. Especially in light of the fact that we are in the middle of a campaign to win the Republican nomination and Ron Paul does not himself advocate that position. Nice fodder for the nightly news.

Myself, I couldn't imagine Adam doing something like that and figured he wasn't. You seem to be arguing otherwise.

In the end, only Adam can say what he was meaning. Maybe he will step forward and do that.

LOL, the only thing he said about Ron Paul, was when he asked if the protester was "one of those anti-RP people here" after the protester mocked him for talking about the federal reserve. This seems to be more about how you personally feel about 'the anarchist element' in RP's following.