Thomas Massie, forum member & elected official, is running a winnable race; let's help!

[Krtek]

It looks to me he is being stealthy and doing what it takes to get elected, his donations clearly show that he is a hardcore Ron Paul supporter. When the general public is so misguided it might take some guerrilla warfare to take the country back.

 

[Sweman]

Don't throw ridiculous and intellectually dishonest straw man arguments in people's faces. This is not about a cult of personality, and everyone with reservations has their own reasons. I don't doubt that Massie supports Paul; his donations prove that, and he's donated far more than I can. However, educating people is extremely important to me, and courage is extremely important for me. Massie looks like a good guy, but I can't get excited about someone who is afraid to own his viewpoints and publicly support the same people he supports in private. We are finally making massive inroads with the public thanks to more and more people gaining the courage to openly stand up for liberty. "Social proof" is largely working, which is precisely why the media is doing everything they can to fight against the rising tide. Meanwhile, Massie is backpedaling and publicly treating Ron Paul like some kind of political leper, that he still has to distance himself from? Exactly how is that supposed to spread the message of liberty? How does that say, "Liberty is popular?" How does that help us intellectually defend Constitutional and/or libertarian positions?

On a more emotional level, I've have my own life experiences with fair-weather friends willing to throw me under the bus to maintain their social status. Ron has been fearlessly fighting this battle for 35 years, most of the time totally alone, and he has been ignored, mocked, scorned, dragged through the mud, and called every name under the sun for standing up for his principles. This movement is not about him, but he deserves some open respect and recognition. It is no fun to be a pariah and abandoned by your friends, and I have far more respect for true friends who publicly stick around even when it's socially/politically inconvenient for them. In short, courage and integrity are extremely important to me. Yes, I understand that sometimes liberty candidates will need to play politics if they want to influence their colleagues within the system...but there's a sliding scale here, and the further you go down that road, the less enthusiastic I become. I can accept that Rand wants to pick his battles instead of casting lone ineffectual "no" votes...but I will not pretend it doesn't sadden me. However, throwing someone under the bus, who has already suffered far more undeserved abuse than any person should have to put up with? Sorry, but count me out.

Thomas, if you're reading this, I'm not trying to crap on you. You're doing your part in your own way, and you're doing far more than I am. I know that you're running a tough race in a tough district, and I know you don't want to become a pariah yourself...but you must understand that you are competing for limited funds and support with other liberty candidates who ARE willing to stick their necks out and put their own reputations on the line. You're competing for limited funds and support with other liberty candidates who are not afraid to openly and fearlessly represent the liberty movement, and who intellectually challenge the totally monstrous status quo instead of trying to plead and reason with it. I wish you all the luck in the world...but if you want us to fully stand by you, you really need to fully stand by us.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mini-Me again.

 

[Sweman]

I'm not posting in this thread to crap on his candidacy or divide. If you're happy to support him, I'm happy for you, and I have no intention of dissuading you. I'm posting in this thread to offer constructive criticism and say what it will take for Thomas to earn my support, and the support of others who think like me.

This is why I support Mini-Me for Thread Winner.

 

[brenton]

i think the litmus test for "real" supporter is a bit tough for some of you guys. the deck is still heavily stacked against us. i'll definitely support thomas. i don't think it could be more apparent that he is the real deal.

 

[mmadness]

Why is this flagged with Priority and why is it in Grassroots Central when there is already a forum for this candidate that this thread is perfect for?

Not that I'm saying don't support Massie, but there are much higher priorities, such as helping out Dr. Paul's campaign, which is close to $2 million.

 

[Adrock]

The word needs to get out about Thomas. If he wins the primary, he will easily win in the general. In Congressional elections even a little bit makes a huge difference, and the earlier the money gives a better effect than later money. The RP campaign is very important, but so is the future. We need to make sure we are supporting liberty candidates like Thomas, Karen, and Amash. I would rather see money siphoned off to these candidates than going to the Super Brochure.

 

[TheDriver]

If you believe there should be no federal government, please stop posting in this thread. *pun intended*

 

[mmadness]

I would rather see money siphoned off to these candidates than going to the Super Brochure.

Well yeah, but you don't have to bring those up. That's like saying you'd rather the sky is blue and the grass is green.

 

[Adrock]

Well yeah, but you don't have to bring those up. That's like saying you'd rather the sky is blue and the grass is green.

Just an example. Most spend time here and in the General Politics board. It is obviously up to an individual on who\what they want to support. At least more people will know their is another option that would need attention immediately if deemed worthy. Having a candidate like this positioned in a district like this should be low hanging fruit.

 

[One Last Battle!]

This isn't Gunny is it? Cause I know for a fact that Gunny is worth supporting.

Otherwise, this IS a bit of a turnoff, tripping over your own feet to distance yourself from Ron.

He's still worth supporting, though. Every candidate who's even a little better than the previous one ought to get support. Incremental change is better than regression.

 

[Occam's Banana]

This isn't Gunny is it?

No, it isn't Glen Bradley (aka GunnyFreedom).
It's Thomas Massie (aka thomas-in-ky).

 

[One Last Battle!]

No, it isn't Glen Bradley (aka GunnyFreedom).
It's Thomas Massie (aka thomas-in-ky).

Whoops, silly me

Anyhow, my point still stands.

 

[TheDriver]

A smart candidate would not endorse anyone, as there is simply no need to take on the baggage. Also any Ron Paul supporter turned candidate, without baggage, should start his campaign fighting for the establishment vote. No need to alienate any voters. And unlike B.J. Lawson's district, if Massie wins the primary, he would breeze through the general.

 

[Adrock]

bump

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Hey, I'm giving him slack. Just keep bringing out his record, posting more evidence. The video Bama posted was good and does make me like him a lot more. It's the record that counts, though (I see he's not actually a judge at all). What has he done and voted for and against (hopefully most against) as Executive?

A county judge in Kentucky is more the "County Manager." He in one year cut hundreds of thousands of dollars in waste. In a county with a lack of funds and tax base it's a huge accomplishment. He's not a professional politician. He's an inventor. You should check out his blog on his house he is building completely off the grid.

 

[Crotale]

[/B]P.S.
Don't have any money to donate? Like his Facebook page instead!

What's his twitter handle?

 

[vechorik]

He met my purity test (Which doesn't contain the test that a candidate must mention Ron Paul's name)

Thank you for your generous donation!

Amount: $50.00
Transaction ID: EWMP3D55C057
Transaction date/time: 2012-01-21 10:30:10

 

[Adrock]

Bump

 

[BamaFanNKy]

He met my purity test (Which doesn't contain the test that a candidate must mention Ron Paul's name)

Thank you for your generous donation!

Amount: $50.00
Transaction ID: EWMP3D55C057
Transaction date/time: 2012-01-21 10:30:10

+ rep

 

[RipperNT]

I'm a Northern KY voter and just watched the video. I like his Domestic Policy but not his Foreign Policy. Just got back from talking with a bunch of Neocon Fox Lovers (family members) and pretty much they told me that they love Rand but even Rand doesn't even like or believe in Ron Paul. Even he thinks that Dr Paul is a kook? Guess Rand really did throw Ron under the bus when he campaigned in KY apparently. I know what Mr Massie is up against to get elected, but my biggest thing is getting the influence out of Washington so hopefully he will be it. Really want that liberty loving second coming of Ron Paul that isn't afraid to be a Ron Paul supporter and didn't really like a few of the answers. Justin Amash seems to be on it. I'll still sway as many people though as I can as I believe in what you guys do here.