They are dogging RP hard

[JS4Pat]

You know, I hate to say this, but I don't think people like Darc (Edward) really hate Ron Paul, (he and others may think they do) but I think it's that they hate Ron Paul supporters because so many of us act like stupid bitches (guys included). WE are the ones who have turned people off to Ron Paul. This HAS to be it because anyone with half a brain who thoroughly researches the man, comes to realize that he is right about most (not all) of what he says. When we go on other forums and act like the asses we sometimes act like on THIS forum, it's no wonder certain people react the way they do.

It's not just about foreign policy either. They, most likely, never even gave Dr. Paul a chance because we, as representatives of the Ron Paul Revolution, did a crappy job of winning people over. You can't beat people over the head and expect them to agree with you about anything. And if we are ever going to get our country back, we have to do a better job convincing people like this guy that we are more alike than we are different.

There is some of that - but I think it is more a case of there being so many followers of politics who are conditioned & reactionary - thanks to the likes of the Bill O'Reillys and Hannitys of the world. They heard Ron Paul make statements like "we should talk to our enemies" "the Iraq War was a mistake" "they attack us because we've been over there". Like Pavlov's dog - they instinctively go into attack mode. It doesn't matter what is said after that.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

There is some of that - but I think it is more a case of there being so many followers of politics who are conditioned & reactionary - thanks to the likes of the Bill O'Reillys and Hannitys of the world. They heard Ron Paul make statements like "we should talk to our enemies" "the Iraq War was a mistake" "they attack us because we've been over there". Like Pavlov's dog - they instinctively go into attack mode. It doesn't matter what is said after that.

It sounds like there is just a war going on for information and your mind.

 

[angelatc]

It sounds like there is just a war going on for information and your mind.

I wouldn't mind that if the opposition weren't merely drones.

 

[Deborah K]

While I agree what is being said about acting like an ass and throwing RP's name around willy-nilly, it should be noted that was not the case here. The OP on RepRev called out RP supporters, asking us to explain RP's vote. The posts I saw, from RP people, were all respectful and intelligent. In fact, before I was banned, one of the posters acknowledged that the OP should never have called us out.

Their posts, OTOH...

Wish I could have seen all of the posts. I got as far as the bibl77 or whatever the name was and tried to respond and got banned before my post even hit the forum. Apparently, the damage has already been done over there. I would really like to know why they hate us and RP so much. It just seems too personal, as if one of us went on the attack or something.

I wonder why Edward has not rejoined us? Can't come up with a logical rebuttal?

 

[Deborah K]

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[Deborah K]

I agree with your message. There are also some people who aren't really conservative based on their own reasoning, but simply follow whatever Hannity et all say. Hannity's against foreign intervention under Clinton? No nation building!! We'll create enemies and it's too expensive!! Hannity's for foreign intervention under Bush? More nation building!! We'll nip terrorism in the bud and print the money!!

And, there are people who are very reluctant to admit they were wrong. Especially for these people, it can be helpful to promote the message of liberty, without tying it to Ron Paul so much. Some people just will not change their mind on these things, or they really believed the newsletter crap. Hey, if someone believes in the message and will promote it, I don't care if they don't like RP.

True dat! I almost NEVER bring up Ron Paul in the beginning, although you'd be surprised how many people STILL have never heard of him. I've talked to people who don't even know the difference between a liberal and conservative!

 

[Deborah K]

I'm still dumbfounded by the way that played out. Ask someone for their opinion and then get it-- respectfully and intelligently-- and then run around hollering "GET OUT OF HERE RON PAUL KOOKS!!!" It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Interestingly I joined earlier this week, never posted anything except for answering the questions on the sign up page-- I never mentioned foreign policy or Ron Paul. I received 4 friend requests but didn't add them because I was new and didn't know if I really wanted to be friends with them or not. As of yesterday afternoon I was no longer able to access my account.

I hate that they called their site GOP Revolution because from my position on the Executive Committee of my county committee (and having been introduced to people at the Inaugural Ball as a "rising star") the real GOP revolution looks nothing like Chimpsy.

Now that is kewl!!! Way to go, girl!

 

[AdamT]

I don't think he said he was a Christian. I was just hoping that he didn't call himself one after the throat-slitting comment.

Me, too. And you do a fine job of it, Deborah.

I think to a large degree you are right. I became an instant zealot when I first discovered him and had to learn the hard way to tone it down a LOT if I wanted people to take me seriously.

This happens to me fairly often. I agree that we must move past the man to his message when we are proselytizing for liberty. I attended the Governor's Inaugural Ball last week and I was able to casually tag team the room with another GOP RP supporter talking about the Campaign For Liberty. We got a lot of good reactions but there were some people whose bulb completely blew out at the mention of Ron Paul's name. The whole idea, what we are trying to accomplish here in VT made so much sense and sounded so good until "Ron Paul" was said. And as always it IS the foreign policy. That and the War on Drugs are the hardest nuts to crack with these folks. But we agree on SOOO much more.

Yep. Absolutely.

This kind of thing never ceases to amaze me! "Oh yeah, those are great ideas, blah blah blah.........wait, did you just say Ron Paul (needle ripping off record sound here).......no, no those are bad ideas, blah blah blah."

This has to be some kind of mental disorder!

It's like this: they are listening to your ideas, giving you lip service to get you on board. The whole "we're open to new ideas, bring new people into the GOP, etc". Pretending to care what you have to say. Then when they find out you're a RP supporter, it's almost like they know you're past their brainwashing BS and seeing everything through transparent glass. So you're instantly considered a threat to their empire of propaganda?

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

good god you gotta go through a barrage of bullshit in order to view anything. These people that scared that people will see what they are up to?

 

[TER]

Chimpsey:

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I don't know why you are all worked up over some middle aged, no name loser's radio station. It's not like he has any sort of influence like the big "conservative" radio shows.

From what I can tell, no one real cares about Chimpsy and they aren't worth pursuing....basically a small, tight knit group of stuck-up, self serving butt-holes.

We'd be better off using the energy arguing with these Chimpsy jerks in our local GOP.

 

[Deborah K]

I don't know why you are all worked up over some middle aged, no name loser's radio station. It's not like he has any sort of influence like the big "conservative" radio shows.

From what I can tell, no one real cares about Chimpsy and they aren't worth pursuing....basically a small, tight knit group of stuck-up, self serving butt-holes.

We'd be better off using the energy arguing with these Chimpsy jerks in our local GOP.

Yeah....well...this kind of crap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnEC3wasNE&feature=channel_page

gets my panties in a knot!

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Wish I could have seen all of the posts. I got as far as the bibl77 or whatever the name was and tried to respond and got banned before my post even hit the forum. Apparently, the damage has already been done over there. I would really like to know why they hate us and RP so much. It just seems too personal, as if one of us went on the attack or something.

I'm not even sure I saw all the posts, (over-zealous moderation'll do that...) ISTM, it had nothing to do with any damage, and everything to do with the Chimpsy's new policies. On the original site we had an open RP group with about 50 members, I never saw any problems, nor heated debate (granted I did not spend much time there). I was "friends" with a few "I liked RP, except..." people. It seemed like it could grow into the type of place where our two camps could interact (and fulfill the mission statement regarding building the party and getting back on track).

Then came Chimpsy (what kind of name is that?)... I have no idea what their angle is... Maybe they are just entertainers who have found a niche acting like "those who shall not be named." Maybe they are suffering from cognitive dissonance and just earnestly deluded. Maybe they are part of an opposition research outfit. Maybe they are pimply faced teens posting from their mothers basement.

IMO - What they are is a small fringe group, and pretty much irrelevant. Their group seems to be a mix of ops, trolls, and cheerleaders. Judging from what I have seen since the Chimpsy takeover, few will ever take them seriously.

I wonder why Edward has not rejoined us? Can't come up with a logical rebuttal?

Oh, I doubt we have seen the last of the Chimpsy crew. It is intersting that the viewcount in this thread is up so high

 

[TER]

You know what, maybe we should be spending more time in other forums (hannity, etc.) to try to educate others (in a respectable manner). Maybe some people are doing this, but perhaps we can do this as a joint effort.

 

[Deborah K]

I'm not even sure I saw all the posts, (over-zealous moderation'll do that...) ISTM, it had nothing to do with any damage, and everything to do with the Chimpsy's new policies. On the original site we had an open RP group with about 50 members, I never saw any problems, nor heated debate (granted I did not spend much time there). I was "friends" with a few "I liked RP, except..." people. It seemed like it could grow into the type of place where our two camps could interact (and fulfill the mission statement regarding building the party and getting back on track).

Then came Chimpsy (what kind of name is that?)... I have no idea what their angle is... Maybe they are just entertainers who have found a niche acting like "those who shall not be named." Maybe they are suffering from cognitive dissonance and just earnestly deluded. Maybe they are part of an opposition research outfit. Maybe they are pimply faced teens posting from their mothers basement.

IMO - What they are is a small fringe group, and pretty much irrelevant. Their group seems to be a mix of ops, trolls, and cheerleaders. Judging from what I have seen since the Chimpsy takeover, few will ever take them seriously.



Oh, I doubt we have seen the last of the Chimpsy crew. It is intersting that the viewcount in this thread is up so high

Good points, all.

 

[Deborah K]

You know what, maybe we should be spending more time in other forums (hannity, etc.) to try to educate others (in a respectable manner). Maybe some people are doing this, but perhaps we can do this as a joint effort.

I'm down widdat.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Yeah....well...this kind of crap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnEC3wasNE&feature=channel_page

gets my panties in a knot!

He doesn't show his face. He just posts stupid videos and pictures online bashing everyone who he doesn't agree with. And, for someone spending so much time trying to push an agenda with a youtube channel full of parody videos and a crappy radio station, it doesn't seem like too many people are interested in his opinion. I don't even think he's involved with his local government. The guy is just a net troll and he's not worth the time or effort.

We don't NEED him for anything. Even if we did manage to sway his opinion, who would he influence? 2...3.. people? The guy is a hypocrite who doesn't even have the spine to debate his opinion with facts...You know...the kind of person that will cuss, insult, and make stupid videos and remarks while avoiding the real debate?

Total nobody, total waste of time, total jackass, and totally irrelevant. He's just a troll that's obviously just trying to piss everybody off. That being said, he'll probably try to track down my IP, where I live, and my info Or maybe send me a threatening message

And, in response to discussing truly republican policy in the neo-conservative forums, it's not gonna' happen. Many of us have tried numerous times in many of those forums only to be banned for nothing other than either A) being a Paul supporter or B) supporting a non-interventionist foreign policy. It seems to be a common theme among those that have hijacked the party.

 

[AdamT]

Yeah....well...this kind of crap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnEC3wasNE&feature=channel_page

gets my panties in a knot!

These people are unreachable. Not until they lose everything they have in this world will they ever begin to understand. And even then they probably won't.

 

[angelatc]

Yeah....well...this kind of crap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnEC3wasNE&feature=channel_page

gets my panties in a knot!

I know , but look at the bright side. It looks like it was released about a year ago, when we were in the thick of it all.

He was probably hoping it would go viral. ALl he got was a few thousand measly hits, and so few comments that he felt compelled to answer almost every one.

My son does some YouTube stuff, and the most idiotic, nonsensical thing he has there has more hits than this guy's video.

So, it's a fail.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I know , but look at the bright side. It looks like it was released about a year ago, when we were in the thick of it all.

He was probably hoping it would go viral. ALl he got was a few thousand measly hits, and so few comments that he felt compelled to answer almost every one.

My son does some YouTube stuff, and the most idiotic, nonsensical thing he has there has more hits than this guy's video.

So, it's a fail.

Yep, and this guy lacks tact. A couple of his responses to reasonable and rational comments are "Fuck You." Charming, right?