The Zimmerman Trial

CHANGES IN THE REPORT
On March 13, Sanford police changed their final report on the Trayvon Martin shooting at least four times in five hours.
9:40 a.m.: A 10-page case summary. It recommends a second-degree-murder charge.
1:31 p.m.: No substantive changes.
1:54 p.m.: One page of proposed additions that downgrades the charge to manslaughter. It also adds criticism of Zimmerman for assuming Trayvon was about to commit a crime and for getting out of his truck and confronting the teenager.
2:06 p.m.: A 13-page rewrite adds that a doctor’s office the next day diagnosed Zimmerman with a fractured nose and scalp wound.
2:23 p.m.: The last version, 13 pages. It points out that Zimmerman had called Sanford police four other times since August, complaining about suspicious young black men in his neighborhood.

SOURCES: Sanford Police Department, Orlando Sentinel reporting

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...d-4-times-george-zimmerman-case#ixzz2YNlAK1Ir

The second was a strongly worded section condemning Zimmerman’s actions, pointing out that there was no need for a confrontation with Martin.

“The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party’s concern. There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.”

In that same new section, added in the third of the five drafts released Tuesday and left in each version thereafter, Serino and his bosses faulted Zimmerman for assuming that Martin was about to break into a home.

“Zimmerman ... made it clear that he had already reached a faulty conclusion as to Martin’s purpose for being in the neighborhood,” the revised report says.
 
Save for the fact that Zimmerman was under no legal obligation to remain inside of his vehicle, or not to search around the area, or to even question Martin. Martin, as claimed by Zimmeran, was observed to have been walking along the private properties of the townhouses (as opposed to walking along the street or sidewalk areas), appearing to look into the windows as he walked by—known as ‘casing' the area.

It is unknown if it belonged to Martin, but a burglar tool was found in the bushes nearby the crime scene.

Additionally, Martin had publicly bragged about the many thefts he had committed against women (likely to sustain his marijuana habit).

Placing blame upon Zimmerman for Martin jumping him is akin to placing blame upon a rape victim for wearing a short skirt, low-cut blouse, and stilettos.
 
Also pretty sure me and the people in my life are 100 times likelier to get shot by a Zimmerman type than a drone. Different people have different priorities.

Short sighted. Drone deaths have an upward trajectory and the cost curve of this technology will ensure its use increases dramatically:

120703074500-bergen-drone-pakistan-story-top.jpg

Better images: http://billmoyers.com/content/drones-by-the-numbers/

I'd rather have drone-proof armor than Zimmerman-proof armor. Twenty years from now, when your neighborhood is under 24x7 curfew, who will you fear, the Zimmermans or the drones?
 
“The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party’s concern. There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.”

Do you feel safer following police orders? Anyway, note how this "encounter" with a black male is treated as avoidable. Note how bashing in Zimmerman's face is not "criminal activity at the time of the encounter". Note how there is zero explanation as to why Zimmerman ought to avoid encountering this dangerous creature.

Anyway, here are tips for avoiding bear attacks:

Bear attacks happen as fast as lightning!!!

...

• Always have Bear Deterrent Pepper Spray in its holster ready for immediate use. Don’t bury it in your pack.

• Be alert where recent bear activity has been documented by park officials, Fish and Game, Forest Service, and other public service people.

• Use extreme caution when traveling on trails at night or at either end of day.

Watch for fresh bear sign (scat or bear tracks) on the trail or near possible camp sites.

• If possible, make plenty of noise on the trail [See above, Zimmerman should have announced himself!], especially on blind curves, in dense vegetation or areas with limited vision.

• Be conscious of the wind - bears have an excellent sense of smell.

Keep dogs under control - dogs can lead an angry bear back to you.

• We advise not to travel alone in bear country. Invite a friend. It is always safer to travel in groups if possible.

http://www.udap.com/safety.htm
 
Sounds smart to me.

Smart would have been staying in the truck.

The kid was as big as any grown man. Much bigger and stronger than GZ.

George Zimmerman outweighed Trayvon Martin by 20 to 30 pounds. Trayvon Martin weight 168. (I last weight that when I was 15 and I was considered skinny.) Zimmerman weight either 185 or 200 depending on different police reports. If this had been an MMA fight, Zimmerman would have been the clear favorite based on weight. In fact Zimmerman wouldn't have even been in Martin's weight class. He would be a middle weight and Martin a lightweight.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts_weight_classes

The meme that Trayvon was "bigger and stronger" than Zimmerman is as dishonest as the claim that Martin was a 12 year old kid.

GZ claims that he wasn't looking to confront him and TM attacked HIM first.

Yep. That's the claim. He also (apparently) claimed he was getting out of the truck to "find a house number." (I don't know if he claimed that. Somebody here claimed he claimed that.) The "I was getting a house number" claim is obvious bollocks for various reasons. Did TM attack first? I dunno. But if Zimmerman lied about one thing he might lie about something else. Who knows? Jury will decide.

If you're not ready to face consequences then you shouldn't attack someone because they might be armed and be ready to defend themselves as GZ rightfully did.

Whether Zimmerman "rightfully" did is your opinion, not fact. Anyway, whether Zimmerman was "right" or not, he was armed and Trayvon wasn't. Lesson learned. Be armed. If Trayvon had been armed he'd be alive and on trial right now instead of Zimmerman.
 
Save for the fact that Zimmerman was under no legal obligation to remain inside of his vehicle, or not to search around the area, or to even question Martin. Martin, as claimed by Zimmeran, was observed to have been walking along the private properties of the townhouses (as opposed to walking along the street or sidewalk areas), appearing to look into the windows as he walked by—known as ‘casing' the area.

It is unknown if it belonged to Martin, but a burglar tool was found in the bushes nearby the crime scene.

Additionally, Martin had publicly bragged about the many thefts he had committed against women (likely to sustain his marijuana habit).

Placing blame upon Zimmerman for Martin jumping him is akin to placing blame upon a rape victim for wearing a short skirt, low-cut blouse, and stilettos.

Your example is idiocy. if anything it applies to Trayvon much more than Zimmerman. Blaming Trayvon for being followed is like accusing your rape victim that is wearing a short skirt, low-cut blouse, and stilettos, of prostitution and therefore deserving of the consequences.

And just accepting Zimmerman's word that Martin jumped him is amazing to me- BTW- Martin's gun has NO prints or DNA from Martin.

Just sayin'.
 
I think that Zimmerman should be convicted because even if Trayvon initiated the fight and was going to beat Zimmerman to death, he's black so he should be allowed to get away with it. Anything else is racism.
 
Your example is idiocy. if anything it applies to Trayvon much more than Zimmerman. Blaming Trayvon for being followed is like accusing your rape victim that is wearing a short skirt, low-cut blouse, and stilettos, of prostitution and therefore deserving of the consequences.

And just accepting Zimmerman's word that Martin jumped him is amazing to me- BTW- Martin's gun has NO prints or DNA from Martin.

Just sayin'.

1. Nobody is blaming Martin for being followed or anything similar. The blame is on Martin for beating the hell out of Zimmerman to the point of causing Zimmerman to feel the need to use his firearm in an effort to terminate the battery against him.

2. My example did not pertain to a "lady of the night", just a rape victim in general that was attacked because of her expressing her sexuality.

3. We can do more than simply accept Zimmerman's word on being jumped; we can infer that from the evidence, i.e., the bodily damage he had sustained by the only known suspect, i.e., Trayvon Martin, who himself other than a GSW and knuckle abrasions, has zero bodily damage.

4. Martin had no gun. Zimmerman's firearm however, had no prints or DNA from either individual... Also noting that it was rainy that day. Ultimately, that point is moot either way.
 
Short sighted. Drone deaths have an upward trajectory and the cost curve of this technology will ensure its use increases dramatically:

120703074500-bergen-drone-pakistan-story-top.jpg

Better images: http://billmoyers.com/content/drones-by-the-numbers/

By your curve seems like a downward trajectory. Not to mention that in 2012 it was only militants killed. Is that even true? Seems off.

Regardless talking about me and the people in my life - I've known more than one person that's been shot. I know zero people who even know anyone who has been targeted by a drone.

I'd rather have drone-proof armor than Zimmerman-proof armor. Twenty years from now, when your neighborhood is under 24x7 curfew, who will you fear, the Zimmermans or the drones?

I'm not going to live in fear of some hypothetical Alex Jones style future when there are real things killing people I know now.

Anyway - my point was not to downplay drones. It was more of a response to a number of posts I've seen saying "you are all sheeple... this is only a media event.... who cares about this trial...etc..."

No it isn't. Whether or not people can get away with shooting unarmed kids is something that impacts me and people I know now. In 2013. Also I hate when some smug ass calls everyone "sheeple" just because I happen to care about something that they don't.
 
I see people here always trying to smear Trayvon with incidents or articles involving his past, but no one has ever brought this one up about Zimmerman. I mean, not that it's surprising since people who have a horse to root for will do anything to keep it from losing, but I thought it was interesting especially in the interest of fairness.

George Zimmerman Molested Cousin for More Than a Decade, Says Family is Blatantly Racist

Of course, I wouldn't put it past people here to dismiss it because it doesn't fit their view of the case or personal bias.
 
I see people here always trying to smear Trayvon with incidents or articles involving his past, but no one has ever brought this one up about Zimmerman. I mean, not that it's surprising since people who have a horse to root for will do anything to keep it from losing, but I thought it was interesting especially in the interest of fairness.

George Zimmerman Molested Cousin for More Than a Decade, Says Family is Blatantly Racist

Of course, I wouldn't put it past people here to dismiss it because it doesn't fit their view of the case or personal bias.

I've seen just as many articles smearing Zimmerman as I have smearing Trayvon. Both are shitty ways to decide this case. And you say "no one" has brought it up about GZ, yet you post that article, disproving yourself.
 
I've seen just as many articles smearing Zimmerman as I have smearing Trayvon. Both are shitty ways to decide this case. And you say "no one" has brought it up about GZ, yet you post that article, disproving yourself.

Come on, Amy- there are now 616 posts on this thread. How many are Zimmerman biased?

If Antischism finds a negative post on Zimmerman it at least balances out the POV.
 
I've seen just as many articles smearing Zimmerman as I have smearing Trayvon. Both are shitty ways to decide this case. And you say "no one" has brought it up about GZ, yet you post that article, disproving yourself.

You're kidding yourself if you think there are an equal amount of articles smearing Zimmerman's past on these boards. Hell, there's a thread solely on the theory that Trayvon may have been thinking of using Skittles and AIT to concoct a drug! It's like Breitbart-Lite here when it comes to this case. Not only that, but I was specifically referring to the article I linked when I said I wasn't aware of anyone bringing that up specifically.

I agree that the past doesn't matter when determining the case. However, if people are going to dredge up Trayvon's past in an attempt to smear his image here, it's only fair that the same is done for the other side as well.

I don't even understand your logic about me bringing it up, therefore disproving myself. The reason I posted it was because I hadn't seen it being posted at all, which was the reason for posting it in the first place. It's freely available information that people are willingly ignoring while theorizing about PURPLE DRANK or whatever because it fits their narrative. Instead, if they're going to analyze one person's past, they should be doing it with both individuals.
 
Come on, Amy- there are now 616 posts on this thread. How many are Zimmerman biased?

If Antischism finds a negative post on Zimmerman it at least balances out the POV.

I'm not talking about this thread, I'm talking about **articles**. This thread is the product of this small group of people who are more likely to lean right, politically, so it's not shocking to me that you'd find more sympathy for GZ over TM.

I don't have solid opinions on this case, but I do know that both have been smeared, and it seems equal if you tend to read left and right sources--and Antischism just said that NOBODY smeared GZ, which is obviously not true.

The only things I'm reasonably sure of is that TM did try to beat the crap out of GZ and he did look pretty banged up, and that GZ should not have gotten out of his truck and followed him in the first place.

Neighborhood watches need to have some sort of alert system for the residents when the watcher sees anyone suspicious.
 
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