*The Size of Nations*

People will still seek to take advantage of one another in Anarcho-Capitalism. The only way to reduce it is to have small, localized government.

Small government, won't remain so.

And no they won't. And if they do - there are private insurance companies & protection services.

Seek to take advantage of one another - HOW exactly? :rolleyes:

Freedom to own a gun... defend your own property would still exist. ;)
 
Small government, won't remain so.

And no they won't. And if they do - there are private insurance companies & protection services.

Seek to take advantage of one another - HOW exactly? :rolleyes:

Freedom to own a gun... defend your own property would still exist. ;)

People will use their weapons against one another. What is to prevent one of these "protection agencies" to make war against the others if their customers are willing to pay for it.
 
People will use their weapons against one another. What is to prevent one of these "protection agencies" to make war against the others if their customers are willing to pay for it.

Then the protection agency, will be fighting another protection agency.

It would be economically retarded for them to do so... ONLY property destruction and COSTS will come from it. One of their employees dies... bam, life insurance payout. Rates go up. Employees may consider it foolish or wrong and leave the company... and go to the COMPETITION or some other firm in the industry that is responsible and reliable - that is NOT at war with someone else.. :rolleyes:

The branding of that company will take a massive hit, no-one wld want to deal with it. It is considered "owned" by people with dubious forces.. it would get black balled.

Other protection services could team up, if the nefarious continued. There is private law courts - they would deal a summons, you have destroyed private property - you must compensate the victims.

Google Walter Block's lecture of reparations..

And what is the point of this imaginary "war" of yours. Why did it happen? Theres got to be a reason... :rolleyes: Something plausible please. ;)
 
Then the protection agency, will be fighting another protection agency.

It would be economically retarded for them to do so... ONLY property destruction and COSTS will come from it. One of their employees dies... bam, life insurance payout. Rates go up. Employees may consider it foolish or wrong and leave the company... and go to the COMPETITION or some other firm in the industry that is responsible and reliable - that is NOT at war with someone else.. :rolleyes:

The branding of that company will take a massive hit, no-one wld want to deal with it. It is considered "owned" by people with dubious forces.. it would get black balled.

Other protection services could team up, if the nefarious continued. There is private law courts - they would deal a summons, you have destroyed private property - you must compensate the victims.

Google Walter Block's lecture of reparations..

And what is the point of this imaginary "war" of yours. Why did it happen? Theres got to be a reason... :rolleyes: Something plausible please. ;)

Same reason as most wars throughout history have happened: one group of people wants to dominate another.

Some of the few times true monopolies have been created is through the use of force, such as Standard Oil blowing up its competitors. Just because some protection agency opposes the other protection will lose, it could have better men and better generals, and have a customer base that is willing to fight. The army raised might be too much for all the other protection agencies combined.

A monopoly obtained through force, making the protection agency a government, would produce a lot of profit. They no longer need to compete fairly in the marketplace, they simply need to raise taxes at the expense of other groups to the benefit of their own. It has happened in every political system so far, why would Anarcho-Capitalism be any different? Because it would require a war that is far too expensive and will cause property damage? While they might not cause property damage, political campaigns are really expensive, and yet they are still funded to take advantage of other people. Wars are expensive in today's world, and yet populations still choose to wage them. Why would they, all of the sudden, stop seeking to control their fellow man? The only way to prevent them from doing that would be to have small, local government that is constitutionally limited to be too small to fight wars.
 
Landmass is unimportant so much as the cultures within.. America is united in shared common history and language. Though with high rates of immigration this could be jeopardized.
 
Same reason as most wars throughout history have happened: one group of people wants to dominate another.

Some of the few times true monopolies have been created is through the use of force, such as Standard Oil blowing up its competitors. Just because some protection agency opposes the other protection will lose, it could have better men and better generals, and have a customer base that is willing to fight. The army raised might be too much for all the other protection agencies combined.

A monopoly obtained through force, making the protection agency a government, would produce a lot of profit. They no longer need to compete fairly in the marketplace, they simply need to raise taxes at the expense of other groups to the benefit of their own. It has happened in every political system so far, why would Anarcho-Capitalism be any different?

LMAO, because there is no state. You don't get "taxed" on anything. The people do not recognise the institution. You try claim something like that. It's theft. Period. Compete fairly in the market place?! The only market that company is competition in - is protection. It is going to be facing the whole industry, the consumers who will endlessly be defending themselves or HIRING the protection of special services to defend against that organization... people will leave that company in droves.... no-one will do business with it... its revenue will COLLAPSE.

ALL the consumer will take their business to the OTHER company's who are legitimately defending against property rights violations. They will get a MASS influx of RESOURCES, i.e CAPITAL to defend. They will be hiring professionals like crazy, and they will be making a profit - they will be able to outlast the other company in the long run.

Because it would require a war that is far too expensive and will cause property damage? While they might not cause property damage, political campaigns are really expensive, and yet they are still funded to take advantage of other people. Wars are expensive in today's world, and yet populations still choose to wage them. Why would they, all of the sudden, stop seeking to control their fellow man? The only way to prevent them from doing that would be to have small, local government that is constitutionally limited to be too small to fight wars.

Excuse me? Political campaigns are expensive - but the reward far outweighs the "cost"... spending $400,000,000.00 dollars on a campaign, for which the 'prize' is roughly $400,000 annually is pretty much the definition of corruption. Running the last super power on earth.

Populations still want to wage wars? ARE YOU INSANE? That is utter fcken bullshit. The world has consistently been anti-iraq war. And the people of the United States have been so - since like 04'. 60-70% pull out. And the people don't choose to finance them - they are taxed, via inflation.

They USED to - with "Liberty bonds" <-- :rolleyes: yeaaaaah, liberty.... thats a good one. But the populace would laregly have to accept it - there would be a war tax, and it was whilst the gold standard - so it is another provision - the state can't print the money.... and the WAR can only go on as long as there is gold to back it... so to raise it, they have to raise taxes. It makes wars fundamentally negative, because someone has to pay for it - and if the people see 10-15% of their cheque going to the war.... that they are NOT benefiting from, then they want it ended so they get their money back. :)

Wars = state vs state. What is there to fight, when there is no state structure to over take? :rolleyes:

Your love of the state is irrational.

For throughout history - FREE PEOPLES have never opted for war, for unjust anyway. It has been the elite or rulers who have pushed it on them.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/stagnaro5.html

Be honest, you've never read any anarcho-capitalist, private law, private security books have you... I think I've ask this of you before, and I don't much expect a different result.
 
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Protection and the Market for Security (lecture 28 of 32)

These notes are from the lecture Protection and the Market for Security, given at the Mises University. Any errors are mine, feel free to point them out so that I can correct them. This lecture was given by Prof. Hoppe

Argument Against the Constitution

* It is impossible to use a State to obtain protection.

* The State is a geographical monopoly on taxes, that is supposed to protect property.

* There is an inherant contradiction: The State is supposed to protect propery, yet it necessarily expropriates property. How can an institution which is always the judge possible by just? There is a permanent perversion of justice in favor of the State.

o Constitutional courts are part of the institution of the State.
o Inherently, the State will expand its own power.

* How many resources does the State need to produce its "services"?

o On private markets, consumers direct resources.
o The State will use more rather than fewer resources.
o As soon as the consumers do not determine this, the answer will always be the same -- more resources to produce security, while the quality of the work (security) decreases, because the State can tax.


Alternative: Free-Market Protection

* Competing insurance companies:

o Police
o Courts
o Detectives
o Prisons
o Etc, all either joined or separate

* All would be voluntary, being able to exchange one thing for another.

* In contrast to the State, the tendency would be for prices to protect property would fall. Prices, the premium we'd have to pay for protection, would tend to fall.

* No over-production. Whatever is spent on one thing can not be spent on another. Consuemrs determine how many resources to allocate to security vs. other things.

* Insurance companies indemnify you if they haven't fulfilled their obligations. Does the government do that? No. Why should they.

* Prevention:

o What is the incentive of the government to prevent crime? Very little to none: lots of crime, yet the State can always ask for (take) more money.
o Insurance companies want to prevent crime, so as not to have to pay out.
o Insurance companies also want to prevent crime to compete for customers.

* Compensation -- want to be compensated for any wrong done against you

* Catch criminal:

o Try to catch the criminal. Usually, the State doesn't even find the criminal.
o Do they force the criminal to compensate the individual? No.
o Private insurance companie have a motive to do that.
o Instead, the State puts criminals in prison with luxeries (paid for by the taxpayers, which includes the victim).
o Private agencies would put criminals to work to pay their victims.

* Stability:

o State changes laws yearly, all year round.
o Private agencies would have constant rules, to compete with one-another.

* De-arment:

o States de-arm you, so they're a protection racket.
o Insurance companies would encourage weapon ownership, encourage competence, and charge lower rates for it.

* Wealth-redistribution:

o No geographical wealth-redistribution under insurance.
o Pay more dpending on the region and desire for safety.
o State forces one group of people to support another group of people.

* Insurance agencies would encourage peaceful behaviour, so they wouldn't have to pay out.

* Victimless crimes -- insurance agencies wouldn't waste resources on victimless crimes.


Alternatives: Courts

* If the conflicting parties have the same agency, then they'd go to that agency.

* If the conflicting parties had different agencies:

o Companies agree -- verdict enforced.
o Companies disagree: provisions offered:
+ Independent arbitrators.
+ The independent arbitrators incentive would be to come up with a judgement that insures they'll be selected for appeal again.
+ Won't b e chosen again if their judgements aren't considered fair.
+ Incentive is to come up with a universally accepted set of principles of judgement guiding the situation.
+ As unrealistic as this may sound, it already exists and works on the international level between citizens.


Alternatives: How do these free, Stateless territories defend themselves against States?

* They'd be much wealthier than States.

* Heavily armed.

* Whenver a State attacks somebody it needs a justification for invading -- soldiers might not follow orders:

o No provocation from free territories.
o Incentive to repress crazies.
o Very difficult to persuade a nation to attack an area that has done nothing; so, no public support, and need public support all the way down to soldiers.

* If the State invades, it would be a guerilla war.

* Anarcho-capitalistic societies would have an incentive to specifically kill the aggressors -- the politicians. Anarcho-capitalistic societies would have precise technologies.
 
So why don't you anarchists hire a private security company to protect you from government infringement on your rights?
 
So why don't you anarchists hire a private security company to protect you from government infringement on your rights?

Who are these "anarchists" you speak? :confused:

If you mean anarcho-capitalists - well there isn't any private courts to back them up.
 
So why don't you anarchists hire a private security company to protect you from government infringement on your rights?

Ever heard of Waco? The government doesn't like it when people try to just live a quiet life away from the government.
 
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