The Russia-Ukraine War

[nikcers]

Zelensky on 60 minutes said he will never accept Russian control of the conflict regions, and he wants US boots on the ground and in the air to secure a peace deal. He is absolutely psychotic and wants WWIII over his shit hole country.

Not really world war 3 unless you call the boots on the ground we had in west Germany after World War 2- World War 3.

They were there to freeze the conflict. The same way that Korea became a frozen conflict.

 

[Voluntarist]

PS: Am I the only one who finds it endlessly irritating when the talking heads pronounce Kiev as "KEEV"? I must be getting old and cranky because I find myself wanting to bitchslap their dentures to the moon.

I'm not sure when it started. I think it was sometime after Russia took control of Crimea - at which point Ukrainian nationalism took off, and they starting replacing the Russian voice with the Ukrainian voice for cities and other locations. I wasn't really aware of it until about 2021 when I saw a city in Ukraine being written as Kyiv. I had to grab a map and try to look it up; and never did find it, because the maps I used predated the renaming. But correlating old maps with current maps, I figured out that Kyiv was the former Kiev. And most of the talking heads don't say the Ukrainian name properly. There's an embouchure with the Ukrainian "yi" that's difficult for English speakers to handle - it produces something akin to a soft "L" sound (some people say they hear a rolling "R" as well). Listen to the following:

 

[nikcers]

That's just the American pronunciation and American accent. Some people find an American accent annoying I guess but I like it.

 

[acptulsa]

That's just the American pronunciation

No it isn't.

 

[spudea]

Not really world war 3 unless you call the boots on the ground we had in west Germany after World War 2- World War 3.

They were there to freeze the conflict. The same way that Korea became a frozen conflict.

During the Korean War, only the United States possessed nuclear weapons. The Soviet Union had only just conducted its first nuclear test in 1949 and did not have a large or readily deployable nuclear arsenal at the time of the Korean War.

Thus, this is entirely different than Korea. Zelensky wants to play nuclear war games with all our lives on the line.

Ukraine is not part of NATO, and will never be part of NATO. Despite all the lies told to him it, it's on him to accept this reality and agree to a ceasefire and armistice.

 

[nikcers]

During the Korean War, only the United States possessed nuclear weapons. The Soviet Union had only just conducted its first nuclear test in 1949 and did not have a large or readily deployable nuclear arsenal at the time of the Korean War.

Thus, this is entirely different than Korea. Zelensky wants to play nuclear war games with all our lives on the line.

Ukraine is not part of NATO, and will never be part of NATO. Despite all the lies told to him it, it's on him to accept this reality and agree to a ceasefire and armistice.

Korea was a frozen conflict... even after the Soviet Union and China had nukes.

We froze the conflict because the Soviet Union didn't want to fight a war against the United States.

Eisenhower threatened to take the war to Moscow.

The power dynamics haven't changed. In fact Russia is weaker and we are stronger than we were post WW2.


We just haven't frozen the conflict because when this war started Ukraine refused to freeze the conflict and Joe Biden didn't force them to.

 

[nikcers]

No it isn't.

Of course it is. I can go ask 10 of my neighbors and they all pronounce it that way.

Even my neighbor who immigrated here from a country whose second language is Russian. When she speaks in her American accent in English she says it that way.

 

[acptulsa]

Of course it is.

Of course it isn't. It's currently being pronounced here as a single syllable. Americans have been pronouncing it as a two syllable word ever since they first sampled a certain chicken and ham loaf.

 

[Snowball]

It was always Kiev - Key/Evv. Until the program started.

 

[nikcers]

Bill Clinton went to Ukraine when they became independent and that is the name of their country.

 

[osan]

The nuclear option just isn't economical for Russia. They don't have a button they can press to win the war.

For one thing they want to take Ukraine so they can grow food there- it's a war of conquest- they don't want to poison the land they want to take.

Another thing is the materials needed to make bombs are already in use technically in order to fuel their war in a more efficient manner.

They use nuclear energy to keep the lights on in their war factories and keep their country going.

There is just simply a lot of wasted energy when you use nuclear that way especially when tnt is cheap.

You may think so, but the Russian mindset is different. For one thing, not so terribly unlike the Chinese, they value life less than do we... so long as those in charge are not the ones doing the suffering and dying, that is. In Russia, "government" is God, same with China. They are bred to obedience. Russia has sent over a million of their own to the slaughter. In America, we would not be sitting idly for it, degraded as we are now, whereas in Russia the people just take it as unavoidable and accept it.

As for Ukraine, I do not disagree, but much as I'd shed no tear, were Moscow to go up in a thermonuclear cloud, I feel compelled to be fair even to them. It seems quite obvious that Putin was waiting like a hungry vulture for an excuse for rolling into Ukraine, and the imbecile Ukrainians handed it to him on a silver platter by pawing at NATO's door for years. IIRC, Ukraine was warned and that little douchebag trash Jew Zelensky ignored it. Now there's two million dead between the idiots, no end in sight, and if Russia feels pushed, do not for a moment think that they will not give a launch order. If they believe they are in an existential crisis with nothing to lose, they will launch - certainly against Europe, if not. America. NATO is a raft of pussies who barely know which end the bullets come out, so Russia's only deterrent is the American threat, and I can easily see Putin making a back-door deal with America: any attack on Europe including nukes, will exclude the involvement of America so long as America keeps its nose out of it. America won't go for that, you say? Trump would. He's a businessman and a fine strategist who knows that the EU is rotten in its marrow and if they push Russia, which is foolishness exemplified, then why should we cover their asses? I'd let Europe burn to the waterline since they seem to think they are so smart and tough. They are nitwitted sissies who dream about large black missiles between their teeth.

The Russians are political idiots. The Ukrainians are even worse. I say leave them to extinguish each other. The more of them that die in this war of raving and rank stupidity, the happier I feel. I don't give a shit about their women, hot as they tend to be - and I say this as the mother of my daughters was Ukrainian, and she drank herself to death, the idiot - their men, or their children. I've had a bellyful of human stupidity and no longer give a shit who kills whom in those far flung dung heaps. Asshole Palestinians and asshole Israelis going at it again, Russia/Ukraine, and so on down the line. We are a sad species, but I digress.

Put NOTHING past Russia, especially dirty dealing from the bottom of the deck. Putin is a scoundrel, but so is Zelensky. I say leave it until they reach at least 125 millions dead. Since they are stupid in the same vein as the Serbs and Croats, mark my word that if Ukraine can keep up the fight, they will be still going at it in 25 years, and that would suit the rest of the world just fine.

 

[osan]

I'm not sure when it started. I think it was sometime after Russia took control of Crimea - at which point Ukrainian nationalism took off, and they starting replacing the Russian voice with the Ukrainian voice for cities and other locations. I wasn't really aware of it until about 2021 when I saw a city in Ukraine being written as Kyiv. I had to grab a map and try to look it up; and never did find it, because the maps I used predated the renaming. But correlating old maps with current maps, I figured out that Kyiv was the former Kiev. And most of the talking heads don't say the Ukrainian name properly. There's an embouchure with the Ukrainian "yi" that's difficult for English speakers to handle - it produces something akin to a soft "L" sound (some people say they hear a rolling "R" as well). Listen to the following:

I know Ukrainian and Russian are different. I used to be fluent in Russian - I no longer remember anything hardly. Not even sure I can conjugate a verb any longer, but Ukrainian is different by all means. Even their alphabet has an extra character or two.

 

[nikcers]

You may think so, but the Russian mindset is different. For one thing, not so terribly unlike the Chinese, they value life less than do we... so long as those in charge are not the ones doing the suffering and dying, that is. In Russia, "government" is God, same with China. They are bred to obedience. Russia has sent over a million of their own to the slaughter. In America, we would not be sitting idly for it, degraded as we are now, whereas in Russia the people just take it as unavoidable and accept it.

As for Ukraine, I do not disagree, but much as I'd shed no tear, were Moscow to go up in a thermonuclear cloud, I feel compelled to be fair even to them. It seems quite obvious that Putin was waiting like a hungry vulture for an excuse for rolling into Ukraine, and the imbecile Ukrainians handed it to him on a silver platter by pawing at NATO's door for years. IIRC, Ukraine was warned and that little douchebag trash Jew Zelensky ignored it. Now there's two million dead between the idiots, no end in sight, and if Russia feels pushed, do not for a moment think that they will not give a launch order. If they believe they are in an existential crisis with nothing to lose, they will launch - certainly against Europe, if not. America. NATO is a raft of pussies who barely know which end the bullets come out, so Russia's only deterrent is the American threat, and I can easily see Putin making a back-door deal with America: any attack on Europe including nukes, will exclude the involvement of America so long as America keeps its nose out of it. America won't go for that, you say? Trump would. He's a businessman and a fine strategist who knows that the EU is rotten in its marrow and if they push Russia, which is foolishness exemplified, then why should we cover their asses? I'd let Europe burn to the waterline since they seem to think they are so smart and tough. They are nitwitted sissies who dream about large black missiles between their teeth.

The Russians are political idiots. The Ukrainians are even worse. I say leave them to extinguish each other. The more of them that die in this war of raving and rank stupidity, the happier I feel. I don't give a shit about their women, hot as they tend to be - and I say this as the mother of my daughters was Ukrainian, and she drank herself to death, the idiot - their men, or their children. I've had a bellyful of human stupidity and no longer give a shit who kills whom in those far flung dung heaps. Asshole Palestinians and asshole Israelis going at it again, Russia/Ukraine, and so on down the line. We are a sad species, but I digress.

Put NOTHING past Russia, especially dirty dealing from the bottom of the deck. Putin is a scoundrel, but so is Zelensky. I say leave it until they reach at least 125 millions dead. Since they are stupid in the same vein as the Serbs and Croats, mark my word that if Ukraine can keep up the fight, they will be still going at it in 25 years, and that would suit the rest of the world just fine.

Using nuclear weapons on Ukraine would be like lighting a house on fire before you steal it.


Using nuclear weapons on NATO would be like lighting NATO's houses on fire, if you do that then they will light yours on fire.


They have a lot of nuclear weapons but they simply have to conserve them because they don't have an unlimited supply- so that they can be used against high value military targets in any potential war against NATO or China that they cannot defeat using conventional weapons and tnt is cheap and virtually unlimited.


I don't doubt that they have a different perspective than me but they wage war logically. Every single action they have taken has been logical.

 

[acptulsa]

They have a lot of nuclear weapons but they simply have to conserve them because they don't have an unlimited supply-

That's stupid.

Enough to destroy the world is an unlimited supply.

 

[nikcers]

That's stupid.

Enough to destroy the world is an unlimited supply.

The Soviet Union had 5 times the nuclear weapons as Russia has today but they lost a war against Afghanistan.

 

[acptulsa]

The Soviet Union had 5 times the nuclear weapons as Russia has today but they lost a war against Afghanistan.

Used them up, did they?

Correlation isn't causation. Surely that fact is mentioned several thousand times on the web. Why do you ignore it?

When somebody created you they didn't create AI. They created Artificial Stupidity Software.

 

[nikcers]

Used them up, did they?

Correlation isn't causation. Surely that fact is mentioned several thousand times on the web. Why do you ignore it?

When somebody created you they didn't create AI. They created Artificial Stupidity Software.

No they just had them for a theoretical war against China or the United States.

They almost deployed them against China atleast once.

Nixon intervened and said it would be a declaration of World War 3 and that he would deploy his nuclear weapons.

Just because you have a stockpile of nuclear weapons doesn't mean you can deliver every single weapon.

Even during the Cold War era our spy planes were simply shot down or intercepted. That's not a capability that doesn't exist.

When you intercept a nuclear weapon the nuke part of it doesn't even detonate.

We even exploded nuclear bombs over the United States accidently and because the nuclear bombs weren't triggered by the nuclear detonation they had only the yield of a conventional weapon.

So in fact in any nuclear war against China or the United States you have a number of them that just will simply be defeated and some of them won't deliver and some of them will fail to detonate and there are potentially thousands of high value military targets you need them for.

The only end of the world it would be is it would be a new world order since whoever is left alive after the dust settles they are going to try to grab power.

 

[osan]

Using nuclear weapons on Ukraine would be like lighting a house on fire before you steal it.


Using nuclear weapons on NATO would be like lighting NATO's houses on fire, if you do that then they will light yours on fire.

NATO is a raft of fagg-0s. Were Russia to get desperate enough to issue launch orders, I have yet to be convinced that NATO would respond. Bear in mind that NATO has about three nukes of their own, the rest belonging to America. Now consider this: Russia tells America that they will be turning Europe into a glow in the dark parking lot and that if you stay out of it, we will not launch against you. I'd give at least 50:50 that we would stand aside. In this regard, Russia is crazier than a shithouse rat and we owe Europe nothing, NATO alliance or no. The EU sucks so hard no, I would be hesitant to give them the time of day, so if doing nothing was going to spare America from a similar fate, I'd be keeping it in my pants.

They have a lot of nuclear weapons but they simply have to conserve them because they don't have an unlimited supply- so that they can be used against high value military targets in any potential war against NATO or China that they cannot defeat using conventional weapons and tnt is cheap and virtually unlimited.

Have you forgotten the Uranium One deal? Nonetheless your point is well taken. HOWEVER, I must reiterate the point that EU/NATO is pushing Russia's buttons and if the threat becomes existential in the Bear's mind, they may well decide they have nothing to lose by launching because just as we used to say "better dead than red", I'm sure the Russians harbor similar sentiments toward us, and by all means toward the EU, who are a raft of crooked scumbags unworthy of any trust. God knows they seem unable to grasp the enlightened self-interest angle in all this. Otherwise, they would have told Ukraine to shut it, and that they were not going to admitted to NATO because they gave their word. Had they done so, any incursion into Ukraine by Putin would have been immediately and easily assessable as pure aggression, denying Vlad any defense argument. But nope, those dopey Dans just had to screw around just as they did with the other 15 or so nations they let in after promising they would not.

I don't doubt that they have a different perspective than me but they wage war logically. Every single action they have taken has been logical.

Logic is not always rational. That aside, logic is not always the underpin of honest goals. I know I beat a dead horse, but the fact that we cannot say with sufficient certainty that the invasion wasn't self defense against fears of NATO parking missiles ten feet from Russia's border is 100% the fault of douchebag Ukraine and douchebag EU. Had they shut it and the invasion came, I would be 100% behind Ukraine, if only morally. But they didn't. They just had to fuck around and hand Putin precisely what he wanted: an excuse. And so now we're looking down both barrels. Do you not agree that all the players here are just Costco-sized douches? Saber rattling between nuclear powers is ultra-bad juju.

My first wish would have been for everyone to be cool. They predictably were not because humans. So now my wish is for a prolonged war of attrition where the population if Ukraine reaches zero, and hopefully a mirable occurs and Russia follows suit. And I don't give a shit about the children. At some point tolerance and good moral measure buys you bupkis, so I won't waste my time. Kill them all for all I care these days because they seem to give no whit about so much as themselves, much less anyone else. Nukes and crazy is a really bad combo.

 

[Snowball]

Seems to me like Ukraine is really trying to use the mineral deal as fish bait to suck in Trump for more involvement, and the notion of a stake in the outcome. Greed is one of Trump's weaknesses. Trump should understand that he's not free to make deals with Ukraine which are antagonistic towards Russia. Ukranews says the mineral deal may happen within 24 hours.

Any deal he makes with Ukraine must be aligned with Russia's blessing. Otherwise, it's just another AMPING UP of the US commitment.

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[wizardwatson]

Of course it isn't. It's currently being pronounced here as a single syllable. Americans have been pronouncing it as a two syllable word ever since they first sampled a certain chicken and ham loaf.

Yeah, when I was questioning the roomba and I used Russian, it said "I see you speak Ukrainian".

Apparently, Ukro-Nazi propaganda is a primary directive. Ukro-Nazi's want to erase Russia, that's why they banned the language.

So it knew I posted something in Russian, and would not acknowledge it was Russian. I don't think it's stupid, I think it's programmed to sound stupid.

I notice people interact with it to correct it a lot which is the point. To waste time.

It's a forum porn model for mental-masturbators.

EDIT: Think about the Matrix. Why did the machine invented paradise not work? Why do humans need imperfection? If the AI was super-smart, you'd learn something, you'd like the post, etc. By sounding stupid, you think you're smart.

It is the FORMULA: