The official ICE abusing American citizens thread

[Invisible Man]

Its not about how much of my money is taken from me.

Yes it is. To give money to them, it has to be taken from someone else.

If you support the redistribution of wealth from you to them, then fine. I commend you. Just keep your hands out of everyone else's pockets.

 

[nikcers]

Yes it is. To give money to them, it has to be taken from someone else.

If you support the redistribution of wealth from you to them, then fine. I commend you. Just keep your hands out of everyone else's pockets.

I support our nationalized economic system because we are in a 100 year great power competition and im not a traitor.

 

[acptulsa]

I support our nationalized economic system because we are in a 100 year great power competition and im not a traitor.

I don't know if that qualifies as leftist or not, but it certainly leads to the same place.

 

[acptulsa]

What's the natural level in a 80+ year cold war great power competition between other countries that want to overthrow the king and become king of the world?

You mean Israel, right?

 

[nikcers]

I don't know if that qualifies as leftist or not, but it certainly leads to the same place.

"Ever since the days of the French revolution, the political left has meant critics of the status quo. The political right means defenders of the status quo."

If the status quo is our economic system we have had for 100s of years than that doesn't make me a leftist.

 

[acptulsa]

If the status quo is our economic system we have had for 100s of years than that doesn't make me a leftist.

Federal Reserve Act: 112 years ago.

Decoupling silver and gold: 92 years ago.

Decoupling silver: 60 years ago.

Bretton Wood II decoupling gold: 54 years ago.

What is this imaginary system we have had for plural centuries again, ignorant, blind, deaf, spamming, disproved in one thread and repeating the lies in another thread, propaganda spewing Derailment Clanker leftist?

 

[nikcers]

Federal Reserve Act: 112 years ago.

Decoupling silver and gold: 92 years ago.

Decoupling silver: 60 years ago.

Bretton Wood II decoupling gold: 54 years ago.

What is this imaginary system we have had for plural centuries again, ignorant, blind, deaf, spamming, disproved in one thread and repeating the lies in another thread, propaganda spewing clanker?

Sure we became a global economy 54 years ago but the major nationalization of our economy started with the Smoot–Hawley act.

Thats how we got the industrial revolution and became a global super power.

Historians say it started when we became an empire and took Phillipines as a territory under Theodore Roosevelt.

 

[acptulsa]

Sure we became a global economy...

...in the seventeenth century after we imported cotton and tobacco seeds, jalopy.

 

[nikcers]

...in the seventeenth century after we imported cotton and tobacco seeds, jalopy.

We have to make the world safe for democracy they said.

Apparently once you take on that job it doesn't really ever end since some people don't really know that they want democracy.

 

[jmdrake]

I support our nationalized economic system because we are in a 100 year great power competition and im not a traitor.

In other words you're a Nazi. (National Socialist).

 

[jmdrake]

Funny thing. When I first started voting, a photo ID wasn't required and nobody thought anything of it. We also didn't have federal cops running the streets with masks on. If conservatism means doing things the way they used to be done then aren't you being the opposite of a conservative? (Rhetorical question).

And this is the funny part. Modern "conservatives" trip all over themselves on the question of ID. One day it's "National ID cards are BAD!" (I agree). The next day its "People should have to show ID to work, vote, get on an airplane, prove they are vaccinated." Oh, I'm sorry. It's the LIBERALS who want the last one (vaccination proof). And maybe conservatives don't want to show ID to get on an airplane. I don't know. I get confused with all of the flip flopping on the ID issue.

That said, I'm fine with ICE not showing ID. I JUST WANT THEM TO SHOW THEIR FACE! Nobody has ever claimed that people should be able to vote without showing their faces, but making an apples to apples comparison would mess up your meme wouldn't it?

 

[jmdrake]

This is the biggest lie. Thats why its repeated over and over again.

Mass migration is what's causing social security to become irrelevant.

I had to trace back to see how this thread shifted to your support of Nazism. That said, you're a complete moron if you think that "mass immigration is what's causing social security to becom irrelevant." There are not enough workers to keep the ponzi scheme going. Everybody with any sense (that excludes you) knows this.

Its becoming irrelevant because of the insane inflationary pressures that are placed on people who have fixed incomes and are on social security.

What good does social security do if the elderly become homeless because they cannot afford housing anymore because of the massive housing shortages.

What good does social security do if the birthrate in our country is plummeting because people cannot afford housing for their kids to live in because we are being invaded?

The birthrate is plummeting faster in South Korea which doesn't have a lot of immigration. South Korea has about 5% foreign born compared to the U.S. 19% foreign born. South Korea has a birth rate of 0.75 versus U.S. of 1.64.

Social security would have plenty of funding if we didn't globalize everything and leave the borders open.

Nope. It would still have the same problems.

 

[nikcers]

In other words you're a Nazi. (National Socialist).

Im an American and I support our American democracy.

Its not like I have any better options. If you want to you can go live in Mexico if you want. I like it here.

 

[nikcers]

I had to trace back to see how this thread shifted to your support of Nazism. That said, you're a complete moron if you think that "mass immigration is what's causing social security to becom irrelevant." There are not enough workers to keep the ponzi scheme going. Everybody with any sense (that excludes you) knows this.

The birthrate is plummeting faster in South Korea which doesn't have a lot of immigration. South Korea has about 5% foreign born compared to the U.S. 19% foreign born. South Korea has a birth rate of 0.75 versus U.S. of 1.64.


Nope. It would still have the same problems.

We can increase our birthrate we dont need to cut off peoples dicks and import more immigrants.

 

[Invisible Man]

Funny thing. We I first started voting, a photo ID wasn't required and nobody thought anything of it. We also didn't have federal cops running the streets with masks on. If conservatism means doing things the way they used to be done then aren't you being the opposite of a conservative? (Rhetorical question).

And this is the funny part. Modern "conservatives" trip all over themselves on the question of ID. One day it's "National ID cards are BAD!" (I agree). The next day its "People should have to show ID to work, vote, get on an airplane, prove they are vaccinated." Oh, I'm sorry. It's the LIBERALS who want the last one (vaccination proof). And maybe conservatives don't want to show ID to get on an airplane. I don't know. I get confused with all of the flip flopping on the ID issue.

That said, I'm fine with ICE not showing ID. I JUST WANT THEM TO SHOW THEIR FACE! Nobody has ever claimed that people should be able to vote without showing their faces, but making an apples to apples comparison would mess up your meme wouldn't it?

I would be interested in learning more of the details about this. But I believe that, even though ID was not required to vote, there were other means of accomplishing the same thing that ID does. Voting was typically limited to white, land owning, males (based on state or local laws, which I understand varied, so this generalization may not have held everywhere), and election officials had access to tax and land ownership records, and would typically know the voters personally. People whose status was not known to the election officials could swear oaths affirming they met the requirements with legal penalties if it turned out they didn't. And there were provisions made for people to vouch for others.

I don't support restricting voting to whites (although restricting it to land owners doesn't sound so bad, restricting it to men strikes me as a great idea, and I can think of some other restrictions that make a lot of sense). But I have trouble seeing what's controversial about requiring ID to vote.

 

[jmdrake]

I would be interested in learning more of the details about this. But I believe that, even though ID was not required to vote, there were other means of accomplishing the same thing that ID does. Voting was typically limited to white, land owning, males (based on state or local laws, which I understand varied, so this generalization may not have held everywhere), and election officials had access to tax and land ownership records, and would typically know the voters personally. People whose status was not known to the election officials could swear oaths affirming they met the requirements with legal penalties if it turned out they didn't. And there were provisions made for people to vouch for others.

I don't support restricting voting to whites (although restricting it to land owners doesn't sound so bad, restricting it to men strikes me as a great idea, and I can think of some other restrictions that make a lot of sense). But I have trouble seeing what's controversial about requiring ID to vote.

Drivers licenses used to not even have pictures on them. Eventually pictures of drivers licenses became ubiquitous. Photo ID for voting didn't start in Alabama until 2014 and it didn't start in Tennessee until 2012. Somehow we made it well into the 21st century without requiring photo ID for voting and there weren't mass protests about a "stolen election" until 2020. Yeah there was the 2000 election with the "hanging chads" but that had nothing to do with photo IDs. We survived all that time without masked ICE agents on the street too. It seems the more we try to get the government to "fix" things the worse things get. I'm not against voter ID because of race. There's been photo ID required in Georgia since 2006 and that didn't prevent Trump from LOSING Geogia in 2006 largel from black people voting. I just think this is all another step down the "Your papers please" rabbit hole that principled libertarians are always against and CONNEDservative libertarians are only against part of the time. And I say CONNEDservatives because I think those that support "You're papers please" half of the time are well meaning, just mislead by the CONservative politicians.

 

[jmdrake]

We can increase our birthrate we dont need to cut off peoples dicks and import more immigrants.

I seem to recall your plan for increasing the birthrate involved lowering the age of consent. Thanks but no thanks. And the number of teens cutting their penis off is not enough to significantly change the birth rate.

 

[nikcers]

I seem to recall your plan for increasing the birthrate involved lowering the age of consent. Thanks but no thanks. And the number of teens cutting their penis off is not enough to significantly change the birth rate.

I seem to recall your plan for increasing the birthrate involved importing foreign nationals to replace Americans and cutting peoples dicks off.

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Funny thing. When I first started voting, a photo ID wasn't required and nobody thought anything of it. We also didn't have federal cops running the streets with masks on. If conservatism means doing things the way they used to be done then aren't you being the opposite of a conservative? (Rhetorical question).

And this is the funny part. Modern "conservatives" trip all over themselves on the question of ID. One day it's "National ID cards are BAD!" (I agree). The next day its "People should have to show ID to work, vote, get on an airplane, prove they are vaccinated." Oh, I'm sorry. It's the LIBERALS who want the last one (vaccination proof). And maybe conservatives don't want to show ID to get on an airplane. I don't know. I get confused with all of the flip flopping on the ID issue.

That said, I'm fine with ICE not showing ID. I JUST WANT THEM TO SHOW THEIR FACE! Nobody has ever claimed that people should be able to vote without showing their faces, but making an apples to apples comparison would mess up your meme wouldn't it?

I never said we should.

My point is all of us are.

For everything except voting.

So why is this glaring inconsistency allowed?

Because the system uses invaders as a voting bloc.

And we all know it.

 

[jmdrake]

I never said we should.

My point is all of us are.

For everything except voting.

So why is this glaring inconsistency allowed?

Because the system uses invaders as a voting bloc.

And we all know it.

All of us are what? Wearing masks everywhere like ICE agents? Nope. Seriously, can you just be honest and admit that was a stupid comparison? And as I pointed out, Georgia had photo voter ID since 2005 and Trump still lost and he still lied whined like a baby saying the election in Georgia was stolen. And losing Georgia cost him the presidency in 2020. And if the election was stolen in Georgia, with a freaking REPUBLICAN president and REPUBLICAN secretary of state, then that just means that photo ID for voting doesn't do a damn to stop the system from stealing elections. That's what we "all know" or should all know if some of us were lying to ourselves. I just renewed my drivers license and I purposefully did NOT get a real ID because I am NOT going along with this system that you THINK "all of us are" going along with. What does that have to do with photo ID for voting? Did it never occur to you that the next step is you can't vote unless you have a "RealID?" The RealID act was pushed through by REPUBLICANS like Tennessee's own Marsha Blackburn because, supposedly, it will stop illegal immigration. You're hastening the beast system thinking you're somehow fighting it.