The official ICE abusing American citizens thread

How does one post photos? Has that changed?
Click on the Insert Image icon, paste the url and then click OK.
What about local photos? From computer?
I don't think you can do that anymore. Find a hosting site, upload, and then link to that :up:
Never could. We've always been able only to hotlink.
Maybe this is the Mandela effect but I distinctly remember being able to post pics directly from my computer for a short time. Regardless, what I do now is upload to by blogger.com account.

IIRC, under the old forum software, you could post pics from your local computer directly to the forum in the form of "attachments", without using an intermediate host - but "under the hood", even that would still have involved uploading the pic from your computer to your RPFs account on the forum's servers (if only so that the pic would be available for others to see when you were offline). In no case would the copy of the pic on your local computer have been the one used to render the display for others; not only would renaming or moving the file on your computer break the link, but it would have been a serious security liability that most peoples' firewalls wouldn't have permitted anyway, unless they were badly misconfigured.
 
Without mass immigration, Social Security will collapse.

This is the biggest lie. Thats why its repeated over and over again.

Mass migration is what's causing social security to become irrelevant.

Its becoming irrelevant because of the insane inflationary pressures that are placed on people who have fixed incomes and are on social security.

What good does social security do if the elderly become homeless because they cannot afford housing anymore because of the massive housing shortages.

What good does social security do if the birthrate in our country is plummeting because people cannot afford housing for their kids to live in because we are being invaded?

Social security would have plenty of funding if we didn't globalize everything and leave the borders open.

Instead we went and sent all of that Social security money to other countries and made housing unaffordable for people who have aged out of the workforce.
 
This is the biggest lie. Thats why its repeated over and over again.

Mass migration is what's causing social security to become irrelevant.

Its becoming irrelevant because of the insane inflationary pressures...

Yes. Blaming the devaluation of the FRN on anything but Fed money creation is the biggest lie, Zippybot. And you are among the wind up toys repeating it over and over and over again.
 
Yes. Blaming the devaluation of the FRN on anything but Fed money creation is the biggest lie, Zippybot. And you are among the wind up toys repeating it over and over and over again.
Prices are determined by supply and demand.

You should know this. Not everyone has hundreds of millions to retire on pelosibot.
 
Prices are determined by supply and demand.

You should know this.

Of course I know that, I'm the one saying it and you're the one denying it. The number of Federal Reserve Notes is high, demand hasn't gone up much and isn't being met anyway (as far as the working class is concerned), and the price has gone down. You can buy a hell lot of them for a ribeye.
 
Of course I know that, I'm the one saying it and you're the one denying it. The number of Federal Reserve Notes is high, demand hasn't gone up much and isn't being met anyway (as far as the working class is concerned), and the price has gone down. You can buy a hell lot of them for a ribeye.

That has nothing to do with housing. Housing prices are high because of demand.

Too many illegal immigrants eating up supply so that american citizens can't afford housing. Especially people on social security who have aged out of the workforce.

The number of dollars aren't high unless you don't understand math or want to be a debt slave or you are a banker and want debt slaves.

If you have monetary deflation then you have to pay back debts using dollars that are more valuable than when the money was originally borrowed.

We have 37 trillion in debt.

So if there's too few dollars in the market that trillion dollar interest payment we have on the debt costs more because the dollars we spend on the interest are more valuable than when we borrowed them.

If the dollars cost less because there are a lot of dollars in the market then that trillion dollar interest payment costs less.
 
If the dollars cost less because there are a lot of dollars in the market then that trillion dollar interest payment costs less.

So we're better off letting the government borrow trillions to perform sex change operations in Namibia because then the dollars are worth less making it cheaper to pay the interest we wouldn't have to pay at all if the government hadn't borrowed trillions to perform sex change operations in Namibia.

That makes about as much sense as Vietnam was better off after we decimated its military aged population and left it war torn because then it was battle hardened and better able to resist the other invasion that never did happen.

We never should have allowed the Botcave to be wired for the net.
 
So we're better off letting the government borrow trillions ...making it cheaper to pay the interest

That's not what I argue at all.

We arent better off funding foreign aid scams that democrats pocket 90 cents for every dollar.

We also arent better off cutting all government spending to balance the budget if balancing the budget lowers the amount of dollars in the marketplace and makes paying off the debt more expensive.

If tarrifs increase the amount of dollars in the US market place because global corporations spend their money in the USA instead of other countries so they can avoid paying the tarrifs then that makes tarrifs profitable for the USA and makes our purchasing power stronger because there is more money in our market so the cost of the interest payments on the debt isn't higher so in that case then we should use tarrifs.
 
If tarrifs increase the amount of dollars in the US market place because global corporations spend their money in the USA instead of other countries so they can avoid paying the tarrifs then that makes tarrifs profitable for the USA and makes our purchasing power stronger because there is more money in our market so the cost of the interest payments on the debt isn't higher so in that case then we should use tarrifs.

None of that reduces the interest payments on the debt. Tell whoever programmed you to try to hide a completely false premise in a 75 word tweaker sentence with no punctuation that it didn't fool us.
 

Increased enforcement with less oversight has sparked concerns about due process, civil liberties and the public's trust in federal law enforcement. ((Al Seib/Los Angeles Times))

Increased enforcement with less oversight has sparked concerns about due process, civil liberties and the public's trust in federal law enforcement. ((Al Seib/Los Angeles Times))
Dayanne Figueroa was on her way to work in Chicago last month when she drove onto a street where an immigration enforcement action was in progress. As she attempted to drive around the chaos, an unmarked vehicle collided with her car. Masked men jumped out of the vehicle, guns drawn and dragged Figueroa from her car by her legs. She was thrown into a minivan, taken away and held by Immigration and Customs Enforcement for hours. Dayanne Figueroa is an American citizen.

Figueroa’s arrest, captured in a now-viral video, illustrates the growing number of U.S. citizens caught up in federal immigration actions. These arrests and detentions violate ICE guidelines as well as the Constitution.

Figueroa’s case is not an isolated incident. The nonprofit newsroom ProPublica has documented more than 170 cases of U.S. citizens, mostly Latinos, being detained at raids and protests since January.

Americans have been tackled, tased, beaten and shot by immigration authorities. Some citizens have been held without access to counsel or the ability to call their loved ones. They include a 79-year-old man who was body-slammed to the ground by agents in Van Nuys, an Army veteran in Camarillo who was tear-gassed before being thrown in detention for three days, and a Cal Poly Pomona grad who was knocked down by agents and spent two nights in jail.


There are likely many more cases of U.S. citizens held by immigration authorities that have not come to light. The actual numbers are unknown because the government does not release statistics about such encounters.

ICE policies state that “as a matter of law, ICE cannot assert its civil immigration enforcement authority to arrest and/or detain U.S. citizens.” These same guidelines say that agents are supposed to “carefully and expeditiously investigate” citizenship claims and to “handle these matters with the utmost care and highest priority.”

Clearly, agents are not following this guidance for dealing with citizens. An Alabama man was detained twice by ICE, despite having a REAL ID card on him. Figueroa, the Chicago woman dragged from her vehicle, was zip-tied and arrested by agents who refused to believe that her passport was real. These people were carrying valid proof of their citizenship — and were detained anyway.
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The wrongful arrest of U.S. citizens by immigration agents is not new; it happened under Presidents Biden and Obama, and during President Trump’s first term. What is new is that Homeland Security and ICE are dramatically ramping up enforcement actions, while operating with less oversight than in the past. This has resulted in greater potential for mistakes — and for more traumatized or injured Americans.

The government denies that these episodes are happening. “There’s no American citizens that have been arrested or detained,” Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said in October. “We focus on those that are here illegally.” Any evidence to the contrary, she asserted, was “simply not true.” Noem’s claim was rated “Pants on Fire!” by the website Politifact. It also is contradicted by Homeland Security press releases explaining why some citizens have been arrested or detained.


When citizens are arrested by immigration agents, it is frequently on the grounds of assaulting or impeding officers. The ProPublica report, however, found that such charges often were dismissed later or dropped. That’s what happened to Figueroa in Chicago. A Homeland Security spokesperson called her “an agitator” who was arrested “for assault on a federal agent.” Yet once Figueroa was released from detention, no charges were filed against her.

A recent Supreme Court ruling allows immigration agents to use factors including race, ethnicity and language as grounds for stopping people who they suspect of being in the country illegally. But this decision is not a license for ICE to harass, assault or abuse citizens. All Americans still have the right to due process, to equal protection under the law and to be free from illegal search and seizures under the 4th Amendment.

Democratic lawmakers are right to demand more scrutiny of ICE activities. Immigration agents must be certain that they are acting within their jurisdiction before detaining any individual, and they should be better trained to handle encounters involving citizens. The government should track statistics on such incidents. These proposals are not unreasonable; under the spending bill signed in July, ICE has more than $28 billion at its disposal for this year alone.

At stake here are not only the rights of U.S. citizens but also trust in federal law enforcement. An October YouGov poll found that 60% of Americans believe that ICE is arresting citizens “Often” or “Sometimes.” This is a low vote of confidence for an agency that is already unpopular with the public.

ICE practices endanger the safety, due process and civil liberties of U.S. citizens. The unlawful arrests and detention of Americans must end.

Raul A. Reyes is an immigration attorney and contributor to NBC Latino and CNN Opinion. X: @RaulAReyes; Instagram: @raulareyes1

This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.
 
None of that reduces the interest payments on the debt. Tell whoever programmed you to try to hide a completely false premise in a 75 word tweaker sentence with no punctuation that it didn't fool us.

If the dollar deflates than the interest payment on the debt is much higher.

Right now its over a trillion dollars but lets say it deflated to the levels of 1980s dollars it would be well over 4 trillion dollars.

So yeah it does matter how much money is in the economy and how big the economy is.

We don't want to pay back the debt using dollars that cost more than when we borrowed them.

 
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That has nothing to do with housing. Housing prices are high because of demand.

Too many illegal immigrants eating up supply so that american citizens can't afford housing.
In other words, the market has its own mechanism to allocate scarce goods. Central planners deciding who gets to buy what are not needed.

If we allow the price of living in the USA to rise up to its natural level, the demand to immigrate here by people who can't afford that will decrease on its own.
 
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In other words, the market has its own mechanism to allocate scarce goods. Central planners deciding who gets to buy what are not needed.

If we allow the price of living in the USA to rise up to its natural level, the demand to immigrate here by people who can't afford that will decrease on its own.

What's the natural level in a 80+ year cold war great power competition between other countries that want to overthrow the king and become king of the world?

Are we supposed to just let in a bunch of fruit pickers and subsidize their living standards and let them vote on collapsing the US constitution and creating a world government where we are second class citizens and slaves?
 
A bunch of old timers commiting suicide because their government stole their retirement money is a good thing?
No. But if you are worried that not enough of your money is being taken from you and given to them, you can always just give them more. You don't actually need the government to be the middle man.
 
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Well you can't not subsidize their standard of living because our entire economic system is nationalized.

So the only option you have is to either subsidize them or deport them.

You aren't going to denationalize the economy. Thats just how our economic system works.

Anyone who says you can do that is a scammer.
 
No. But if you are worried that not enough of your money is being taken from you and given to them, you can always just give them more. You don't actually need the government to be the middle man.
Its not about how much of my money is taken from me.

It's about how much money is taken from them.

Our whole country has been ripped off for 50 years.

 
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