The Official Alt Right Thread

[idiom]

ITT: No one (with the possible exception of the deceased American Spartan) knows what the alt-right is.

And no, I'm not a member or a devotee. The alt-right is a wave to be ridden, and it'll crash sooner rather than later.

The alt-right is a right-wing movement of ideologies that are an alternative to mainstream American conservatism.[1] It has "more in common with European far-right movements than American ones"[2] and is unified by nationalism,[3] opposition to multiculturalism and immigration, rejection of egalitarianism,[2][4] and support for Donald Trump.[2][5][6] The alt-right encompasses neoreaction, racialism, identitarianism, archeofuturism,[7] white nationalism, Southern-secessionism,[2] and other right-wing beliefs. The term was introduced by Richard Spencer’s AlternativeRight.com in 2010, gained prominence in 2015 after being identified by critics, and became more popular in 2016 after being mentioned on television.[2][5][8] The alt-right is younger than mainstream conservatism.[2][5][6]

Some in the alt-right describe it as a big tent or collection of belief systems.[7][14] The alt-right encompasses neo-reactionaries, white nationalists, nativists, and many other political positions. Commonalities shared across the otherwise loosely defined alt-right include anti-Jewish and anti-Zionist views, disdain for mainstream politics, and strong support for Donald Trump.[6][15][16] This support is largely based on the heavy value the alt-right places on strength and authority.[6][17] Adherents view mainstream conservatives with ridicule and have also been credited for originating and using the term "cuckservative",[2][18] a neologistic epithet described by some as racist.[19] In addition, sources like Newsday and the Cornell Review note the alt-right’s strong opposition to both legal and illegal immigration and their hardline stance on the European migrant crisis.[6][20] In addition, the alt-right has a strong focus on identity.[21] Members of the alt-right use social media and the internet to organize and share their beliefs,[21][22] particularly on image boards like /pol/. The alt-right rejects terms like racist and bigot as meaningless and displays a contempt for political correctness.[18][20]

Alternative Right refers to two publications, a website created by Richard Spencer and Colin Buchan Liddell which was hosted at AlternativeRight.com[1] and funded by NPI America,[2] and the "New Alternative Right" webzine which is edited by Liddell and Andy Nowicki.

The magazine addressed the need for an "alternative" to mainstream right-wing ideas that embraced ideas current in the European New Right and other post-war right wing writing.[3] Its nationalist stance attracted criticism from left-wing groups such as the Anti-Defamation League[4] and it has been accused by The Atlantic of being a "white supremacist" site.[5]

In 2012, Alternative Right published an article entitled "Is Black Genocide Right?" The article stated that the black race "has contributed almost nothing to the pool of civilization" and asked "whether Black Genocide is something worth considering"; after drawing widespread criticism, the article was deleted from the site.[8]

Care to expand on the definition?

 

[cajuncocoa]

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[mczerone]

Lol, "but nothing"? Someone with such a high IQ should be able to write a clear and concise sentence.

This is something that I'm seeing more and more. Not just typos, text-speech, or slang, but plain incoherence.

It seems to correlate with the alt-right and Berners.

 

[AuH20]

I wish I could cram all of this on a bumper sticker:

Like Cormac McCarthy says, good people hardly need governing, and bad people can't be governed at all. The world is filling with people incapable of any level of independent living. They require authoritarian levels of institutional support or they just devolve into chaos, like Libya, Syria, Honduras, Guatemala, Somalia, etc. This is why immigration is cultural and political suicide for libertarians. A libertarian country would have to be ringed with barbed wire and patrolled with machine guns, to keep out all the people who will out-thug, out-vote and out-breed the libertarians.

Our prospects are not bright. It's the revenge of the third world, and a part of me can't entirely blame them. Nevertheless, they will destroy the remnants of Western Civilization in the process.

 

[cajuncocoa]

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[AuH20]

Everything you need to know about the alt-right in a graphic

Google some of the terms on this graphic...it's ugly stuff.

It depends what branch we are talking about.

 

[cajuncocoa]

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[otherone]

I wish I could cram all of this on a bumper sticker:

 

[juleswin]

I wish I could cram all of this on a bumper sticker:

Like Cormac McCarthy says, good people hardly need governing, and bad people can't be governed at all. The world is filling with people incapable of any level of independent living. They require authoritarian levels of institutional support or they just devolve into chaos, like Libya, Syria, Honduras, Guatemala, Somalia, etc. This is why immigration is cultural and political suicide for libertarians. A libertarian country would have to be ringed with barbed wire and patrolled with machine guns, to keep out all the people who will out-thug, out-vote and out-breed the libertarians.

Our prospects are not bright. It's the revenge of the third world, and a part of me can't entirely blame them. Nevertheless, they will destroy the remnants of Western Civilization in the process.

Its posts like these from Trump supporters that make it impossible for me to join any kind of temporary alliance with them. We have a situation where France, Britain, Germany, US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel, UAE are all attacking one country with foreign mercenaries and they look at all the evidence and come to the conclusion that says that Syrian natives resisting is a sign that they need a tyrant to rule over them.

You know, I have always read the Gandi response to the question "what does he think of western civilization?" and always think his response was over the top but when you look at the way the west treats their colonies and areas they want to dominate, that answer of "it would be a good idea" is not that crazy.

 

[Occam's Banana]

On average, groups with higher IQs tend to favor things like gun control and other statist measures

This. The warfare-welfare regime under which we live was not created by stupid people.

I'd much rather live in country of mostly sub-100 IQs where people just "live and let live" than in a country of mostly over-100 IQs where people arrogantly imagine that they're clever enough to make the world a better place (whatever that means) if only they were in charge.

Intelligence and wisdom are entirely different things - and "smart" people are at least as prone to being fools as "dumb" people are, if not more so.

IOW: The problem isn't with "dumb" people - the problem is with "smart" people who ought to know better ...

 

[AuH20]

Its posts like these from Trump supporters that make it impossible for me to join any kind of temporary alliance with them. We have a situation where France, Britain, Germany, US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel, UAE are all attacking one country with foreign mercenaries and they look at all the evidence and come to the conclusion that says that Syrian natives resisting is a sign that they need a tyrant to rule over them.

You know, I have always read the Gandi response to the question "what does he think of western civilization?" and always think his response was over the top but when you look at the way the west treats their colonies and areas they want to dominate, that answer of "it would be a good idea" is not that crazy.

I think you're conflating the grievous sins of the elites with this particular viewpoint on the state of the world. I desire the internal maintenance of Western Civilization without exploitation and global dominance. I do not have any illusions that I can somehow interfere with the established natural order of life on this planet and socially engineer cultures to be compatible with Western Civilization. That is simply a preposterous notion and something the neoconservatives deeply believe at their core.

In the affairs of nations, the American conservative feels that his country ought to set an example to the world, but ought not to try to remake the world in its image. It is a law of politics, as well as of biology, that every living thing loves above all else—even above its own life—its distinct identity, which sets it off from all other things. The conservative does not aspire to domination of the world, nor does he relish the prospect of a world reduced to a single pattern of government and civilization. —Russell Kirk

 

[AuH20]

Doom would likely be a fan of Curtis Yarvin. heh.

 

[juleswin]

I think you're conflating the grievous sins of the elites with this particular viewpoint on the state of the world. I desire the internal maintenance of Western Civilization without exploitation and global dominance. I do not have any illusions that I can somehow interfere with the established natural order of life on this planet and socially engineer cultures to be compatible with Western Civilization. That is simply a preposterous notion and something the neoconservatives deeply believe at their core.

And who exactly do you think enables the elites to commit their sins? I have yet to see an elite man a military base in some foreign land or fly and land an attack helicopter. Likewise the sins of the elite come back to benefit the Average man living in the west, do you ever sit and wonder what would happen to the value of your money if the dollar lost its reserve status tomorrow, what would happen to the state budgets, county budgets etc etc?

So yes, I am conflating the two groups because they enable each other.

 

[AuH20]

And who exactly do you think enables the elites to commit their sins? I have yet to see an elite man a military base in some foreign land or fly and land an attack helicopter. Likewise the sins of the elite come back to benefit the Average man living in the west, do you ever sit and wonder what would happen to the value of your money if the dollar lost its reserve status tomorrow, what would happen to the state budgets, county budgets etc etc?

So yes, I am conflating the two groups because they enable each other.

Mortal creatures with material needs will rationalize anything, even murder. I don't think this is a purely American flaw. The way we can ween or alleviate others from embracing this path is through the promotion of free enterprise without any strings attached. Do you really think that U.S. military's recruitment drives would be as successful, if there was a greater variety of employment or business creation? Of course not.

 

[idiom]

I wish I could cram all of this on a bumper sticker:



Our prospects are not bright. It's the revenge of the third world, and a part of me can't entirely blame them. Nevertheless, they will destroy the remnants of Western Civilization in the process.

Its not the third world that is full of co-dependent adults.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Care to expand on the definition?

Definitions that all include Trump? Must be a brand new political category. No doubt those with a subscription to SPLC Daily can keep up with all of the new collectives of people that must be grouped together, guilted by association and demonized.

 

[Origanalist]

This is something that I'm seeing more and more. Not just typos, text-speech, or slang, but plain incoherence.

It seems to correlate with the alt-right and Berners.

Well; the afrcans and Incas are all sub' cottage chese and fruit.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

All of this talk about IQ. Is this part of this new alt-right movement? Is Stefan Molyneux considered a member of this wide ranging category of people? He seems to mention it a lot now. Where's Dannno to explain?

Seems to me that Molyneux has violated a basic principle:

 

[AuH20]

Its not the third world that is full of co-dependent adults.

The third world is filled with individuals who exhibit r-selected psychology. Look at the high birth rates in the face of staggering poverty.There is no appreciation for resources in many of these societies. In layman's terms, think of the West as the wolf and the more simpler cultures as the rabbit. Contrast quality over quantity in the prioritization of an organism's survival goals.

A concept in biology which postulates that nature will tend to produce two different psychologies, each adapted to a specific environment. It states that animals which are competitive and protective of family, sexually selective and monogamous, imbued with regard for two parent family life, desirous that offspring wait until mature to mate, and loyal to in-group are designed to produce highly fit and competitive offspring, designed to compete in an environment of resource scarcity.

Animals that exhibit a cowardly nature, promiscuous mating strategy, single parenting style, early sexualization of young, and no loyalty to in-group are designed to exploit a resource glut by producing as many offspring as possible, as fast as possible, without regard to offspring quality.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Too bad we can't test for wisdom as opposed to something as singular as IQ.

There is a test that is as old as mankind. It isn't perfect, it's prone to error and corruption, but it has a very long history. We call them criminals.

Criminals are bad for society. Always have been, always will be. The more complex the definition of criminal, the more prone to corruption. As a simple rule, murder, theft, robbery, assault, destruction of others property are pretty universal in defining a criminal.