The Official Alt Right Thread

[idiom]

The third world is filled with individuals who exhibit r-selected psychology. Look at the high birth rates in the face of staggering poverty.There is no appreciation for resources in many of these societies. In layman's terms, think of the West as the wolf and the more simpler cultures as the rabbit. Contrast quality over quantity in the prioritization of the organism's survival goals.

I think you will find those who have grown up in abject poverty have a much better grip on the value of resources than the average American. No group on earth sits at home consuming resources like Americans. In the third world everything is life and death competition.

Your r/K selection is backwards. By focusing on a single stat you miss the broad picture.

"Look at me, I'm all K selected, I'm an Apex predator!" Horseshit. How many times have you killed someone for food or to survive in your own neighborhood? When have you ever had to fight for anything other than pride? You have food, water, heat, shelter, gasoline, transport, education all on demand.

The high-birth rate is a response to the expectation of losing off-spring. Plenty of apex predators have large litters.

You get one of these too

 

[AuH20]

I think you will find those who have grown up in abject poverty have a much better grip on the value of resources than the average American. No group on earth sits at home consuming resources like Americans. In the third world everything is life and death competition.

Your r/K selection is backwards. By focusing on a single stat you miss the broad picture.

"Look at me, I'm all K selected, I'm an Apex predator!" Horseshit. How many times have you killed someone for food or to survive in your own neighborhood? When have you ever had to fight for anything other than pride? You have food, water, heat, shelter, gasoline, transport, education all on demand.

The high-birth rate is a response to the expectation of losing off-spring. Plenty of apex predators have large litters.

You get one of these too

Why are you getting so emotionally worked up? For one, I never insinuated I was purely K, as if I'm taking down enemies with my bare hands. Secondly, your criticisms apply to the shadow that now describes American society. Nevertheless, American society successfully grew from the principles imbued into it by it's Protestant predecessors. In a K dominated society, resource scarcity typically reinforces conservative behavior and rejects the r psychology.

 

[AuH20]

If you wish to understand more about r/K selection theory & how it applies to humans, watch this dialogue between Stefan Molyneux and Bill Whittle.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Care to expand on the definition?

Well, first of all, it's debatable whether or not NRx is even a part of the alt-right, I'm of in the camp who says it is not, or, at best, tangentially related. Nick Land agrees:

http://www.xenosystems.net/what-is-the-alt-right/

I'm a NeoReactionary (though labels bore me). I sympathize with much of alt-right though, and I adhere to the adage "no enemies to the right". I am not one of them, however, and if you want a real definition of alt-right, ask someone like Richard Spencer (who I do like). What I can do is try to illustrate the differences between NRx (me) and the alt-right.

NeoReaction: Rejection of modernity (wholecloth, including the nation state), the right of exit, hierarchy, Darwinian ultra-capitalism, anti-democracy, anti-egalitarianism (races, genders, individuals, everything), traditionalism, transhumanism, techno-feudalism, a rejection of any state that claims to be doing good for "the people", whether through the ballot box or a Stalinist or Hitlerian takeover), esotericism, romanticism, anti-populism, a rejection of both nationalism (in principle, though not necessarily practically) and globalism (in principle and practically), anti-socialism (national, international, universal), castes, kings, the Carlylean "great man", imperialism, and counter revolution.

Alt-Right: Ethno-nationalism, ethno-socialism, right wing anti-capitalism, in-group egalitarianism, race struggle instead of class struggle, populism, fascism, national capitalism, "Third Way", neo-paganism, the idea that culture is a purely biological construct, archeo-futurism, anti-globalism, and racial identity.

As you can see, there is some overlap, but NRx is much more robust and a much better school of thought in my opinion. NRx has rejected modernity entirely, whereas the alt-right wants to salvage the modernity of centuries past (or at least their idea of it). They're modernity's bastard sons clamoring for their birthright. They will not get it, not in the way they expect.

Regardless of what happens with Trump, the alt-right will be a short lived fad, though memetically they will likely craft some important victories. Like progressives, they will eat each other. It's already started with the whole Roosh V fiasco recently. The SJW bubble popped in 2015, the alt-right bubble will do the same within the next five years or so.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Everything you need to know about the alt-right in a graphic

Google some of the terms on this graphic...it's ugly stuff.

There is nothing wrong with anything or anyone on that chart. Most of those people are pretty libertarian, especially in the Political Philosophy, Techno-Futurist and Economist camps.

 

[AuH20]

Well, first of all, it's debatable whether or not NRx is even a part of the alt-right, I'm of in the camp who says it is not, or, at best, tangentially related. Nick Land agrees:

http://www.xenosystems.net/what-is-the-alt-right/

I'm a NeoReactionary (though labels bore me). I sympathize with much of alt-right though, and I adhere to the adage "no enemies to the right". I am not one of them, however, and if you want a real definition of alt-right, ask someone like Richard Spencer (who I do like). What I can do is try to illustrate the differences between NRx (me) and the alt-right.

NeoReaction: Rejection of modernity (wholecloth, including the nation state), the right of exit, hierarchy, Darwinian ultra-capitalism, anti-democracy, anti-egalitarianism (races, genders, individuals, everything), traditionalism, transhumanism, techno-feudalism, a rejection of any state that claims to be doing good for "the people", whether through the ballot box or a Stalinist or Hitlerian takeover, esotericism, romanticism, anti-populism, a rejection of both nationalism (in principle, though not necessarily practically) and globalism (in principle and practically), anti-socialism (national, international, universal), castes, kings, the Carlylean "great man", imperialism, and counter revolution.

Alt-Right: Ethno-nationalism, ethno-socialism, right wing anti-capitalism, in-group egalitarianism, race struggle instead of class struggle, populism, fascism, national capitalism, "Third Way", neo-paganism, the idea that culture is a purely biological construct, archeo-futurism, anti-globalism, and racial identity.

As you can see, there is some overlap, but NRx is much more robust and a much better school of thought in my opinion. NRx has rejected modernity entirely, whereas the alt-right wants to salvage the modernity of centuries past (or at least their idea of it). They're modernity's bastard sons clamoring for their birthright. They will not get it, not in the way they expect.

Regardless of what happens with Trump, the alt-right will be a short lived fad, though memetically they will likely craft some important victories. Like progressives, they will east each other. It's already started with the whole Roosh V fiasco recently. The SJW bubble popped in 2015, the alt-right bubble will do the same within the next five years or so.

What do you think about Green Anarchists? Could they fit into the NeoReactionary camp?

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

What do you think about Green Anarchists? Could they fit into the NeoReactionary camp?

No, because NRx is pro-civilization and anarcho-primitivists are tribalist and ant-civ. They view tribes as egalitarian and civilization as inherently hierarchical. They're actually right, though. Anarchists claim they're against all hierarchy, they then must be against technology. No way around it.

There is an offshoot from NRx called Heroic (romantic) Reaction or HRx which dabbles in Luddism, but their theories are at best half-baked. NRx (at least as I identify it) doesn't reject technology and ertainly doesn't reject civilization.

Archeo-futurists would be the alt-right version of green anarchists.

 

[otherone]

No, because NRx is pro-civilization and anarcho-primitivists are tribalist and ant-civ. They view tribes as egalitarian and civilization as inherently hierarchical. They're actually right, though. Anarchists claim they're against all hierarchy, they then must be against technology. No way around it.

There is an offshoot from NRx called Heroic (romantic) Reaction or HRx which dabbles in Luddism, but their theories are at best half-baked. NRx (at least as I identify it) doesn't reject technology and ertainly doesn't reject civilization.

Archeo-futurists would be the alt-right version of green anarchists.

For someone bored by labels, you certainly seem interested in them.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

For someone bored by labels, you certainly seem interested in them.

Maybe. If a label has utility, there's no reason not to use it. My main problem with them is when they obfuscate more than they explain, and allow people to dismiss someone because they're associated with a label (whether self-described or otherwise).

 

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[r3volution 3.0]

ITT: No one (with the possible exception of the deceased American Spartan) knows what the alt-right is.

And no, I'm not a member or a devotee. The alt-right is a wave to be ridden, and it'll crash sooner rather than later.

Judging by the views of the people calling themselves alt-right, I'd say it's about 95% white nationalism these days.

Even neoreaction, the more intellectual subset of the alt-right, is being overrun by white nationalists.

It's a shame, since what's valuable in the alt-right/neoreaction (like opposition to democracy) is being crowded out.

 

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[r3volution 3.0]

Yes. There's a whole BLOB (category) on that graphic I posted that's labeled "ETHNO-NATIONALISTS"....whatever in the world could that mean? White-Nationalism, maybe? Google one of the examples that are linked to that category, and you'll have your answer. It'll be crystal clear. Just as crystal clear as ThePaleoLibertarian's (sic) opinions on the subject have always been.

Yup, and it's no secret; they're quite open about being white nationalists.

Read the blog "the right stuff," one of the most popular alt-right sites.

I like to monitor it to take their pulse, and it's pretty much all white nationalism all the time.

...and it's mostly not of the libertarian-ish sort we sometimes see here at RPF (keep out the Mexicans to protect liberty, etc).

They don't care about liberty; they want large authoritarian government; they are violently anti-capitalist, as much as any Bernie supporter.

In other words, they're neo-NAZIs, to put it bluntly.

 

[Voluntarist]

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[idiom]

If there is one thing I can identify about the alt-right, it doesn't see people as individuals, but as groups. Its collectivist quackery.

There is a mirror image of it called the alt-left. Its like white nationalists who prefer Bernie Sanders over Trump.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Judging by the views of the people calling themselves alt-right, I'd say it's about 95% white nationalism these days.

Even neoreaction, the more intellectual subset of the alt-right, is being overrun by white nationalists.

It's a shame, since what's valuable in the alt-right/neoreaction (like opposition to democracy) is being crowded out.

Really? Where do you see this? I read NRx blogs like are Social Matter, Radish (criminally under-updated), XenoSystems (Nick Land), Amerika, the Orthosphere and the tragially defunct Unqualified Reservations. I don't really see any of these places being overrun by white nationalism. These blogs do talk about race realism, HBD and the like, but you have to discuss those things to understand the modern world. I don't see them overrun by ethno-nationalism.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Really? Where do you see this? I read NRx blogs like are Social Matter, Radish (criminally under-updated), XenoSystems (Nick Land), Amerika, the Orthosphere and the tragially defunct Unqualified Reservations. I don't really see any of these places being overrun by white nationalism. These blogs do talk about race realism, HBD and the like, but you have to discuss those things to understand the modern world. I don't see them overrun by ethno-nationalism.

I've seen a lot of Trumplove in the past few months (which can only be based in ethno-nationalism).

Pick one of the aggregators and search back, you'll find an enormous number of pro-Trump articles.

It's not nearly as bad as the broader alt-right, but it's still there.

 

[AuH20]

I've seen a lot of Trumplove in the past few months (which can only be based in ethno-nationalism).

Pick one of the aggregators and search back, you'll find an enormous number of pro-Trump articles.

It's not nearly as bad as the broader alt-right, but it's still there.

I think there is an element of ethnonationalism involved for some, but it's not all about the pipe-dream of salvaging a white nation (the white race is a purely 19th century creation by the way) that never really existed in America. What made the humble beginnings of this country special were the Protestant core beliefs and British enlightenment ideals. Any further deluge of nonconforming immigrants (including white Europeans) into a nanny-state of this size & scope will likely finish off what the progressives started with the Wilson administration. The prospect of literally paying for my own demise does not thrill me one bit.

 

[Voluntarist]

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