The Jack Booted Thugs of the Open Borders Movement-Brown Berets MeCha

[Chosen]

Si se puede! Is the mantra of both B Hussein Obama and the entire Open Borders Community. This movement, most especially from Mexico is basically run by ethnic national socialist racism. This manifests itself by a belief in the mythical Mexican (Aztec) homeland of Aztlan which encompasses the entire southwest up thru Oregon.

Part of this movement is fueled bya belief in Brown Pride and the opne borders message is violently employed by racists organization like the Brown Berets. They are beholden to an organization called Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan or MeCha for short. This organization is in turn funded by Nation Council of La Raza. Both gorups were given backroom access to help formulate the last amensty bill by Ted Kennedy and George W Bush.

MeCha's membership which includes Racist Mayor of Los Angelas, Villalogrosa has several college campus groups! Here is an excerpt from their racist "constitution" for membership:

"General membership shall consist of any student who accepts, believes and works for the goals and objectives of MEChA, including the liberation of AZTLAN, meaning self-determination of our people in this occupied state and the physical liberation of our land."

That perfectly demonstrates the ethnic nationalist socialist purpose of this organization, who is at the forefront of the open borders/illegal immigration movement.

Here is an example of MeCha tolerance:
La Raza

Here are the Brown Berets touting their own collectivist purpose and militarized identity. They are present at EVERY open borders event. Notice they also consider their leaders "commandantes." This is the enforcement wing of the open borders movement. And in this video they are bragging.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69wFvlZBB0o

Brown Supremacists attack freeman making video during an ethnic nationalist socialist event, praising the "race" of latinos and espousing a belief in open borders. As all authoritarian collectivists do, they try and limit free speech, even on public property:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9-ZsTpp6xg

The Terry Anderson show talks about illegal aliens who burn flags at a Veterans Cemetary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TisGp1CU3-g

La Raza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kffjz-1vcgA

 

[Freedom 4 all]

LOL, how many anti-immigrant threads would you say you make per day? Per hour? Seriously ese, why do you hate Mexicans so much?

 

[BenIsForRon]

Oh, so Obama's secret agenda is to try and restore the homeland of the Aztecs... I would have never guessed.

 

[pcosmar]

LOL, how many anti-immigrant threads would you say you make per day? Per hour? Seriously ese, why do you hate Mexicans so much?

Perhaps he and others are opposed to a foreign invasion.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/SPP.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Xs8bposCc

 

[dannno]

I'm opposed to a foreign invasion, but hating Mexicans isn't going to stop it.

We need to repeal NAFTA and help Mexico restore their constitution so that the indegenous can have their lands back and have more control over their resources so they can be prosperous. Right now they cannot be prosperous due to the intricacies of the international banking system and multinational corporations.

In the 10 years after NAFTA passed, the poverty rate in Mexico doubled. That is why we have a big influx of immigrants. It is because of NAFTA, which we essentially forced Mexico to sign onto, and we forced them to change their constitution. It certainly was not their citizens who gave up their sovereignty, because they rose up and fought, but the US backed the Mexican military and the Zapatistas lost.

Chosen is very mixed up as to the cause of the current situation.

 

[pcosmar]

We need to repeal NAFTA

Good luck with that.
How about we get out of the UN too?
Maybe end our cooperation in Agenda 21.


Sorry but I don't see it happening.

 

[Feenix566]

I think it's a shame that some people use the American flag to represent a message of hate.

 

[Deborah K]

Someone please show me just where on this forum the OP has suggested, or otherwise proclaimed that he hates Mexicans? I just love the way people jump to conclusions. All he has done is shown you the hate displayed from the other side and you twist it up into a pretzel and accuse Chosen of being the hater. Shameful.

 

[dannno]

Good luck with that.
How about we get out of the UN too?
Maybe end our cooperation in Agenda 21.


Sorry but I don't see it happening.

OK, but you see rounding up millions of illegals including families in prison and sending them back across the border as viable??

Not only is that sickening, but it is only going to make the problem worse. Mexico is our neighbor. Send back the ones who commit crimes, great. Stop subsidizing them with welfare, again great.

This movement isn't about shipping all the illegals back across the border, it is about restoring our freedom and sovereignty. We can do all of that and help out Mexico in the process. Or we can start a stupid race war like Chosen seems to want to do. Think about it.

 

[dannno]

Someone please show me just where on this forum the OP has suggested, or otherwise proclaimed that he hates Mexicans? I just love the way people jump to conclusions. All he has done is shown you the hate displayed from the other side and you twist it up into a pretzel and accuse Chosen of being the hater. Shameful.

Look up his posting history. He is a hate spewer.

One of his threads from the other day that went on for a few pages, somebody quoted some of his worst hate speech. Don't have time to search for it at the moment.

 

[Deborah K]

OK, but you see rounding up millions of illegals including families in prison and sending them back across the border as viable??

Not only is that sickening, but it is only going to make the problem worse. Mexico is our neighbor. Send back the ones who commit crimes, great. Stop subsidizing them with welfare, again great.

This movement isn't about shipping illegals back across the border, it is about restoring our freedom and sovereignty. We can do all of that and help out Mexico in the process. Or we can start a stupid race war like Chosen seems to want to do. Think about it.

Chosen is just trying to bring awareness to the fact that there is a war out there, Danno, whether you choose to admit it or not, and it's getting worse.

I don't think anyone wants to see millions of illegals rounded up. At least I don't. I think rather, that if our lame ass gov't would just enforce existing illegal immigration laws, they'd leave through attrition. Which is actually starting to happen anyway because our economy is tanking, so it's somewhat harder for them to get work and social services now.

 

[dannno]

Chosen is just trying to bring awareness to the fact that there is a war out there, Danno, whether you choose to admit it or not, and it's getting worse.

I don't think anyone wants to see millions of illegals rounded up. At least I don't. I think rather, that if our lame ass gov't would just enforce existing illegal immigration laws, they'd leave through attrition. Which is actually starting to happen anyway because our economy is tanking, so it's somewhat harder for them to get work and social services now.

No, he has plenty of hate speech out there.

I'm all for awareness, I know there's a problem, but blaming the Mexicans is not going to solve the problem. If he wants to talk about the open border community, great, I have no problem with 80-90% of his individual postings, but where I have a big problem with Chosen is that he lumps in all illegal aliens with the open borders community, and then blames illegal immigration on all Mexicans, because of their poor attitude and lifestyle. Not only is he wrong about their attitude and lifestyle, but he pretends not to be a collectivist while lumping everybody from these groups into a single group and then blames them all.

He is also wrong because the real problem is our foreign and domestic policy related to Mexico and immigration and welfare. The US is the country that directly caused the massive influx of immigration from Mexico.

 

[pcosmar]

OK, but you see rounding up millions of illegals including families in prison and sending them back across the border as viable??

Not only is that sickening, but it is only going to make the problem worse. Mexico is our neighbor. Send back the ones who commit crimes, great. Stop subsidizing them with welfare, again great.

This movement isn't about shipping all the illegals back across the border, it is about restoring our freedom and sovereignty. We can do all of that and help out Mexico in the process. Or we can start a stupid race war like Chosen seems to want to do. Think about it.

Nope, I don't see that happening either. But that was the premise of REX84 and the FEMA camps.
It was also the premise of the KBR contracts to upgrade facilities. But there has never been any "real" attempt to secure the border of to limit the influx of illegals.

That is window dressing. They have a couple of high profile media targeted raids, to show that they are doing something. When in fact they have no intention of securing the borders.

The plan of NAFTA, CAFTA , SPP is to integrate the continent.
They are moving ahead with plans regardless of what anyone thinks or likes.

 

[dannno]

The plan of NAFTA, CAFTA , SPP is to integrate the continent.
They are moving ahead with plans regardless of what anyone thinks or likes.

Ya, see that is my concern. Who cares about illegals when the international elite are looking to make them all legal anyway? Why not fight that? Let's fight the NAU and International Trade agreements, fight to stop giving socialism to illegals and end the war on drugs?


I mean, this Chosen guy is totally unnecessary and a giant scab of humanity.

"I, as well as my "friends," would gladly lend a hand to sink the entirety of this scourge on humanity into the abyss. If it meant that I had to exchange my life to ensure that Mexico gains nothing from the United States, I would gladly do this." - Chosen

 

[Feenix566]

Someone please show me just where on this forum the OP has suggested, or otherwise proclaimed that he hates Mexicans? I just love the way people jump to conclusions. All he has done is shown you the hate displayed from the other side and you twist it up into a pretzel and accuse Chosen of being the hater. Shameful.

Okay

Si se puede! Is the mantra of both B Hussein Obama and the entire Open Borders Community. This movement, most especially from Mexico is basically run by ethnic national socialist racism.

First, he refers to Obama as "B Hussein Obama". There is only one reason for which he could be doing this: to attempt to associate Obama with Saddam Hussein. Of course, such an association is ridiculous. If Chosen were to make it overtly, he would be laughed off of any but the most right-wing forum. So he doesn't make the association overtly. He tries to conceal his intent and pretend as though he's not intending to make this association.

I have no doubt at all that if Chosen reads this post, he will respond to the accusation by saying that Hussein is Obama's middle name and there's nothing wrong with calling someone by their middle name. This is, of course, complete horse shit. No one called Bush G. Walker Bush. No one called McCain by his middle name. No one calls Ron Paul by his middle name. None of us even know what Ron Paul's middle name is. Calling someone by their middle name is totally abnormal, and simply isn't done without a reason.

Now that we've gotten through the first half of the first sentence of Chosen's post, let's move on to the rest of the sentence and the second sentence. He goes on to associate Obama (who's already been associated with Saddam Hussein) with the Open Borders movement. Then he goes on to associate the Open Borders movement with Mexican nationalists, socialists, and racists.

He even goes so far as to use the word "ethnic". Why do you suppose he would use this word? It's not typical for an intellectual debater to use the word "ethnic", except when talking about issues related to racism. That fact seems to contradict your assertion that Chosen is not motivated by racism.

So, getting back on topic, Chosen has just subvertly associated the Open Borders movement with nationalism, socialism, and racism. These three ideologies have very negative connotations in modern discourse. Why do you suppose Chosen would choose to make this association?

On its face, an Open Borders policy has absolutely nothing to do with any of these ideologies. Nationalism is the tendancy to identify an individual according to their nation of birth rather than the content of their character. An Open Border policy is the exact opposite of nationalism. Socialism is the forced reditribution of wealth by a central decision-making authority. Again, no connection to the idea of open borders. Racism is the practice of judging a person by their ethnic backgrouns. Again, an open borders policy goes directly against this ideology.

So, since the open borders idea has nothing to do with any of these ideologies, why has Chosen chosen to associate it with them?

Probably because he doesn't want you to think about the idea of having open borders. He just wants you to associate it with bad things, and therefore think of it in a negative light. He doesn't want to discuss the merits and/or drawbacks of an open borders policy in an open debate. He probably hasn't even thought about those things, because those things aren't what motivate him.

So what does motivate him? The most ironic part of all of this is that Chosen is motivated by nationalism and racism, two ideologies of hate he has just tried to associate with the open borders policy in order to discredit it.

That's just the first two sentences. I could go on, but I won't. I've made my point. Chosen is making dishonest arguments for his case, because he doesn't want to have an honest debate. He knows that in any honest debate, he would be forced to peel away the layers of his beliefs and reveal their core, which is racism.

 

[pcosmar]

Ya, see that is my concern. Who cares about illegals when the international elite are looking to make them all legal anyway? Why not fight that? Let's fight the NAU and International Trade agreements, fight to stop giving socialism to illegals and end the war on drugs?

Because you are NOT going to stop them.

The sooner people get it trough their heads that the Illusion of a representative govt is only an illusion., and that we are living under a foreign occupation, the better.

Being aware of foreign invasion is the first step in resistance.
I actually see the Mexicans as pawns in the game, but the pawns do get in the way of the more important pieces.

 

[dannno]

Because you are NOT going to stop them.

The sooner people get it trough their heads that the Illusion of a representative govt is only an illusion., and that we are living under a foreign occupation, the better.

Being aware of foreign invasion is the first step in resistance.
I actually see the Mexicans as pawns in the game, but the pawns do get in the way of the more important pieces.

I completely agree that we are essentially, if not literally living under a foreign occupation.. but that foreign occupation isn't Mexico, it's fucking rich European elitist bankers. Why do you want to put a group of innocent people in the middle of this? It seems like that is part of their plan to sew seeds of confusion. It is just muddying the waters and distracting us from the real issue of WHO is occupying our government.

This is just another Problem -> Reaction -> Solution.

I already showed you how the elite created the problem with NAFTA.. then they exacerbated it by providing benefits lots and lots of jobs with a rapidly rising economy through credit expansion on the other side of the fence.

Don't fall for the elite's tricks. Stick to your principles and KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

 

[dannno]

Yes I know my enemies
Theyre the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams
All of which are american dreams

-Rage Against the Machine

 

[pcosmar]

I completely agree that we are essentially, if not literally living under a foreign occupation.. but that foreign occupation isn't Mexico, it's fucking rich European elitist bankers. Why do you want to put a group of innocent people in the middle of this? It seems like that is part of their plan to sew seeds of confusion. It is just muddying the waters and distracting us from the real issue of WHO is occupying our government.

This is just another Problem -> Reaction -> Solution.

I already showed you how the elite created the problem with NAFTA.. then they exacerbated it by providing benefits lots and lots of jobs with a rapidly rising economy through credit expansion on the other side of the fence.

Don't fall for the elite's tricks. Stick to your principles and KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

I agree. That is why I call the Mexicans ( and others ) Pawns in the game. I suspect they are the "shock troops" Many in our armed forces will follow orders that Americans would not.
I think Chosen is trying to raise awareness of the problem. It is largely ignored.

 

[Deborah K]

Okay



First, he refers to Obama as "B Hussein Obama". There is only one reason for which he could be doing this: to attempt to associate Obama with Saddam Hussein. Of course, such an association is ridiculous. If Chosen were to make it overtly, he would be laughed off of any but the most right-wing forum. So he doesn't make the association overtly. He tries to conceal his intent and pretend as though he's not intending to make this association.

I have no doubt at all that if Chosen reads this post, he will respond to the accusation by saying that Hussein is Obama's middle name and there's nothing wrong with calling someone by their middle name. This is, of course, complete horse shit. No one called Bush G. Walker Bush. No one called McCain by his middle name. No one calls Ron Paul by his middle name. None of us even know what Ron Paul's middle name is. Calling someone by their middle name is totally abnormal, and simply isn't done without a reason.

Now that we've gotten through the first half of the first sentence of Chosen's post, let's move on to the rest of the sentence and the second sentence. He goes on to associate Obama (who's already been associated with Saddam Hussein) with the Open Borders movement. Then he goes on to associate the Open Borders movement with Mexican nationalists, socialists, and racists.

He even goes so far as to use the word "ethnic". Why do you suppose he would use this word? It's not typical for an intellectual debater to use the word "ethnic", except when talking about issues related to racism. That fact seems to contradict your assertion that Chosen is not motivated by racism.

So, getting back on topic, Chosen has just subvertly associated the Open Borders movement with nationalism, socialism, and racism. These three ideologies have very negative connotations in modern discourse. Why do you suppose Chosen would choose to make this association?

On its face, an Open Borders policy has absolutely nothing to do with any of these ideologies. Nationalism is the tendancy to identify an individual according to their nation of birth rather than the content of their character. An Open Border policy is the exact opposite of nationalism. Socialism is the forced reditribution of wealth by a central decision-making authority. Again, no connection to the idea of open borders. Racism is the practice of judging a person by their ethnic backgrouns. Again, an open borders policy goes directly against this ideology.

So, since the open borders idea has nothing to do with any of these ideologies, why has Chosen chosen to associate it with them?

Probably because he doesn't want you to think about the idea of having open borders. He just wants you to associate it with bad things, and therefore think of it in a negative light. He doesn't want to discuss the merits and/or drawbacks of an open borders policy in an open debate. He probably hasn't even thought about those things, because those things aren't what motivate him.

So what does motivate him? The most ironic part of all of this is that Chosen is motivated by nationalism and racism, two ideologies of hate he has just tried to associate with the open borders policy in order to discredit it.

That's just the first two sentences. I could go on, but I won't. I've made my point. Chosen is making dishonest arguments for his case, because he doesn't want to have an honest debate. He knows that in any honest debate, he would be forced to peel away the layers of his beliefs and reveal their core, which is racism.

It is preposterous to claim that Chosen is a racist because he used Obama's middle name. Just because he has an islamic name doesn't mean Chosen is a racist for pointing that out in his argument. Obama is a globalist, who likely wants the merge, and who wanted the latino vote.

On its face, an Open Borders policy has absolutely nothing to do with any of these ideologies. Nationalism is the tendancy to identify an individual according to their nation of birth rather than the content of their character. An Open Border policy is the exact opposite of nationalism. Socialism is the forced reditribution of wealth by a central decision-making authority. Again, no connection to the idea of open borders. Racism is the practice of judging a person by their ethnic backgrouns. Again, an open borders policy goes directly against this ideology.

You're missing the point here. Nationalism is what the pro-illegals display when they flaunt the flags of their countries of origin. Their intention is to balkanize, so it has everything to do with open borders. And socialism is what they are used to, since every country south of our border is socialistic, naturally they will want the same here. And your definition of racism is just wrong:

Main Entry:rac*ism
Pronunciation:*r*-*si-z*m
Function:noun

: a belief that some races are by nature superior to others; also : discrimination based on such belief
–rac*ist \-sist\ noun

Using the word "ethnic" does not a racist make. Chosen makes a pretty good argument against the pro-illegal movement in this country. I dont agree with his entire stance, but at worst, all he does is stereotype. I remain unconvinced that he is a racist. A nationalist perhaps, but not a racist.