The Jack Booted Thugs of the Open Borders Movement-Brown Berets MeCha

[Feenix566]

Their intention is to balkanize, so it has everything to do with open borders.

Are you serious? Please tell me you're kidding. Do you know what balkanization means? I mean, come on...

all he does is stereotype. I remain unconvinced that he is a racist. A nationalist perhaps, but not a racist.

Stereotyping is what racists do. That's what makes you a racist. That's what racists are.

 

[Deborah K]

Balkanization is a geopolitical term originally used to describe the process of fragmentation or division of a region or state into smaller regions or states that are often hostile or non-cooperative with each other.

Now read about Atzlan, MECha, and La Raza


[http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

 

[Deborah K]

Are you serious? Please tell me you're kidding. Do you know what balkanization means? I mean, come on...



Stereotyping is what racists do. That's what makes you a racist. That's what racists are.

Did you not read the definition of racism that I posted? Please don't tell me you are one of those people who has merged the meanings of stereotyping, prejudice and racism into one definition. They are three distinct words with their own definitions. It is unfair to paint someone with a racist brush when they don't fit the definition of racism. I think this is a very dangerous practice.

 

[dannno]

It is preposterous to claim that Chosen is a racist because he used Obama's middle name.

Ya, plus we already know he's racist from his statements against Mexicans.

 

[pcosmar]

Ya, plus we already know he's racist from his statements against Mexicans.

Really, Just did some looking for my self. Might be a good exercise for others.

We Support Our Troops

http://www.aztlan.net/
caution,odd scripts running on that site

 

[dannno]

Did you not read the definition of racism that I posted? Please don't tell me you are one of those people who has merged the meanings of stereotyping, prejudice and racism into one definition. They are three distinct words with their own definitions. It is unfair to paint someone with a racist brush when they don't fit the definition of racism. I think this is a very dangerous practice.

If one believes that a particular race is inherently different from another, then isn't one "better" than the other in some form? Hold that thought.

Now, I will admit that black people may tend to be more athletic than people other races, but it is not an inherent trait. That doesn't make me racist because that is entirely different from saying that all black people are really good at sports so we should ship them to Nike island or something. Chosen is literally saying that all Mexicans are inherently socialist due to their traditionally maternal tendencies within the family unit. I have studied Chicana/La Raza shit in college and it has nothing to do with force or coercion. Do you want to know a secret? Mexicans are actually Native Americans and many of been able to carry over some of their very distinct and beautiful views regarding man's relationship with nature and with each other. Much has been lost due to the Spanish influence, but you would be surprised how much is still left. I encourage you to study La Raza material for yourself, you won't like all of it and neither did I, but there is a lot of really good stuff there about sustainable communities and existing peacefully. There are a lot of good people involved in the movement, and certainly bad people as well. Just like anything else. Now, I don't agree with any of their views if they are associated with violence, but since they are in fact Native Americans I respect their desire to regain the ability to live off of the land that they inhabited for thousands of years. I think it is our right to stop them, but it's also their right (as a human, not under the Constitution or anything) to fight for their land back, and we don't need to insult them or say that they are inherently bad people for wanting to do so. People think they just want handouts, and some of them receive handouts, but those are just individuals receiving those handouts, it has nothing to do with their mentality.

Anyway, Chosen is a real piece of work, and he is in fact very racist. I believe those terms overlap more than you think, but I agree that someone can be one without being the other.

 

[dannno]

Really, Just did some looking for my self. Might be a good exercise for others.

We Support Our Troops

http://www.aztlan.net/
caution,odd scripts running on that site

What do they have to do with all illegal immigrants?!?!

There are white militias, of course Mexicans are going to have militias.

 

[pcosmar]

What do they have to do with all illegal immigrants?!?!

There are white militias, of course Mexicans are going to have militias.

Just for awareness.
They claim 1/3 of the united states is theirs, They are also expecting a civil war.
I am far to the north and out of that area. They are a reality that must be considered.

 

[paulitics]

If one believes that a particular race is inherently different from another, then isn't one "better" than the other in some form? Hold that thought.

Now, I will admit that black people may tend to be more athletic than people other races, but it is not an inherent trait. That doesn't make me racist because that is entirely different from saying that all black people are really good at sports so we should ship them to Nike island or something. Chosen is literally saying that all Mexicans are inherently socialist due to their traditionally maternal tendencies within the family unit. I have studied Chicana/La Raza shit in college and it has nothing to do with force or coercion. Do you want to know a secret? Mexicans are actually Native Americans and many of been able to carry over some of their very distinct and beautiful views regarding man's relationship with nature and with each other. Much has been lost due to the Spanish influence, but you would be surprised how much is still left. I encourage you to study La Raza material for yourself, you won't like all of it and neither did I, but there is a lot of really good stuff there about sustainable communities and existing peacefully. There are a lot of good people involved in the movement, and certainly bad people as well. Just like anything else. Now, I don't agree with any of their views if they are associated with violence, but since they are in fact Native Americans I respect their desire to regain the ability to live off of the land that they inhabited for thousands of years. I think it is our right to stop them, but it's also their right (as a human, not under the Constitution or anything) to fight for their land back, and we don't need to insult them or say that they are inherently bad people for wanting to do so. People think they just want handouts, and some of them receive handouts, but those are just individuals receiving those handouts, it has nothing to do with their mentality.

Anyway, Chosen is a real piece of work, and he is in fact very racist. I believe those terms overlap more than you think, but I agree that someone can be one without being the other.

Does it make one racist for acknowledging Asians may be "generally and inherently "good at math? Is it sexist to think women are good with children, and men are good with fixing things? Are we even allowed to use humor anymore in this country, or is free speech only protected if you are a comedian like Chris Rock who makes a living off sterotyping blacks,whites, asians. You see, I don't want to lose that ability to be honest with each other, for humor or academic purposes, I think it should supercede political correctness. I have never been offended by what Chris ROck says. Perhaps Louis Farrakhan (can't think of who else
) if he says something about all whites being evil and damned to hell, etc. There is a huge difference between being racist and generalising, or stereotyping. I know the difference, and I believe overall there are very few racists among us, although the media would like us to think otherwise by broadening the definition of racism to the absurd. Chris Rock, Howard Stern, Eddie Murphy etc, has never offended me about race, although yes they have all been guilty of stereotyping.

I think we are way too uptight, to where nothing can be said anymore even for academic purposes. I remember the book on the bell curve IQ. Now, I did not read the whole thing, but it seemed as though there were discalimers throughout the whole thing about how it was generalising based on data, and for the purpose of study, to find out what groups have a higher or lower IQ and how income, education ties in with it. The book was NOT about race, but it would have been incomplete and nonsense to leave out race.
Of course, the authors who did an exhaustive study, were accused of being racists...even their own race were not found to have the highest IQ. There was no tangible evidence to prove they are the slight bit racist. Again, the authors who criticise Aipac are now predictably maligned as nothing but racist, because the book attakcs Aipec...not the Jewish people.
It just seems petty and overly poltically correct to accuse of racism until overt racism is propagated. This is only in response to what you said above, I have no idea about the original OP, and have not read or concerned myself with his other posts.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ya, plus we already know he's racist from his statements against Mexicans.

Personally, I adore Mexicans --- IN MEXICO, or here legally. If they legally immigrate, they are no longer Mexicans --- they are Americans.

I swear, those of you who have fallen for this multicultural BS, don't really get it. It's being used to rip us to shreds.

 

[paulitics]

Personally, I adore Mexicans --- IN MEXICO, or here legally. If they legally immigrate, they are no longer Mexicans --- they are Americans.

Agreed. I live in a heavy populated illegal Mexican area, and find them to be very polite and family oriented (oh wait, did I stereotype..polical correctness police are coming). Anyway,I am trying to learn Spanish now to adapt. lol. I would like them to legally migrate, learn English, learn the constitution, and assimilate. However, I despise the idea of the NAU that follows the same blueprint as the EU. I despise the agenda, and the Macheovelian way they are trying to implement it. No, I want to keep America free, laws and free market intact, although this is quickly being eroded away.

 

[dannno]

Does it make one racist for acknowledging Asians may be "generally and inherently "good at math?

That statement doesn't make sense. Generally and inherently are not the same, in a sense they are opposites. Asians are generally good at math from what I have seen and experienced, not inherently.

Is it sexist to think women are good with children, and men are good with fixing things?

It is sexist to think that women are only good at raising children and men are bad at it, and all women suck at fixing things. Yes. But not generally, because generally speaking you would probably be correct.

Are we even allowed to use humor anymore in this country, or is free speech only protected if you are a comedian like Chris Rock who makes a living off sterotyping blacks,whites, asians.

Dude, I'm not "PC" or whatever.

 

[Deborah K]

If one believes that a particular race is inherently different from another, then isn't one "better" than the other in some form? Hold that thought.

Now, I will admit that black people may tend to be more athletic than people other races, but it is not an inherent trait. That doesn't make me racist because that is entirely different from saying that all black people are really good at sports so we should ship them to Nike island or something. Chosen is literally saying that all Mexicans are inherently socialist due to their traditionally maternal tendencies within the family unit. I have studied Chicana/La Raza shit in college and it has nothing to do with force or coercion. Do you want to know a secret? Mexicans are actually Native Americans and many of been able to carry over some of their very distinct and beautiful views regarding man's relationship with nature and with each other. Much has been lost due to the Spanish influence, but you would be surprised how much is still left. I encourage you to study La Raza material for yourself, you won't like all of it and neither did I, but there is a lot of really good stuff there about sustainable communities and existing peacefully. There are a lot of good people involved in the movement, and certainly bad people as well. Just like anything else. Now, I don't agree with any of their views if they are associated with violence, but since they are in fact Native Americans I respect their desire to regain the ability to live off of the land that they inhabited for thousands of years. I think it is our right to stop them, but it's also their right (as a human, not under the Constitution or anything) to fight for their land back, and we don't need to insult them or say that they are inherently bad people for wanting to do so. People think they just want handouts, and some of them receive handouts, but those are just individuals receiving those handouts, it has nothing to do with their mentality.

Anyway, Chosen is a real piece of work, and he is in fact very racist. I believe those terms overlap more than you think, but I agree that someone can be one without being the other.

Are you purposefully ignoring the fact that Mexicans are a mix of spaniard blood and aztec blood? They were conquered by the spaniards, long before whites came into the picture. We didn't conquer them, we fought them for land and then purchased a lot of it via the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. They (the pro-illegal groups) should be pissed at the Spaniards and their own gov't for losing the war and accepting the sale. Like most collectivist groups, their anger is misplaced and their goals are misguided.

 

[dannno]

Are you purposefully ignoring the fact that Mexicans are a mix of spaniard blood and aztec blood? They were conquered by the spaniards, long before whites came into the picture. We didn't conquer them, we fought them for land and then purchased a lot of it via the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. They (the pro-illegal groups) should be pissed at the Spaniards and their own gov't for losing the war and accepting the sale. Like most collectivist groups, their anger is misplaced and their goals are misguided.

I agree, Mexicans should be pissed at the Spaniards. I personally don't understand why so many are proud of their Catholic heritage, but that's their choice I guess.

However I think where the misconception lies is that all Mexicans are a mix of Spaniard/Aztec when in fact there were millions of people belonging to indigenous tribes other than the Aztecs including many that were inhabitants of North America who all lived in Mexico just a couple of decades ago before NAFTA. You see, before the Spanish came Native American tribes frequently traversed north and south between present day Mexico and present day U.S., and many of them ended up in Mexico, I don't know how so many ended up there to be honest.

Most Mexicans are in fact Native American, or at least very predominantly Native American.

I think some illustrations will help.

Spaniard:

Native American:

Mexican:

Now, there are a lot of Mexicans with lighter skin, however as I have mentioned I lived in areas with migrant labor camps around and all of the Mexicans I saw looked Native American and not so much Spanish.. The La Raza and Chicano movements are actually focused on this concept that Mexicans are predominantly Native American with Native American heritage, and that the whole spanish blood mixing thing is pretty much a myth considering the vast majority of Mexicans have little to know Spanish blood.

 

[paulitics]

That statement doesn't make sense. Generally and inherently are not the same, in a sense they are opposites. Asians are generally good at math from what I have seen and experienced, not inherently.

I said may be in general terms inherently. I was giving a hypothetical, but do not have an opinion since I have done no research other than general observation. These topics generally don't interest me. My question was, if a researcher were to find that there may be some general correlation, does this make the research not true, or the research racist? It sounds like you are saying it is scientifically impossible, thus no research would be valid. You likely know more than me, and thus are right. My opinion is that it is not racist for someone to do the research on this topic.

It is sexist to think that women are only good at raising children and men are bad at it, and all women suck at fixing things. Yes. But not generally, because generally speaking you would probably be correct.

I was speaking in general terms. However, I don't think it is sexist to think that women may have biological maternal instincts that men don't. I don't think it is sexist to think the amygdala (the emotional center) in the brain is different among men and women if the research says it is so. For instance this information is useful in determining that homosexuality may be determined at birth, not by choice because of similarities between the female's brain and homosexual male's brain. You are going to have to include many scientists who discover this research to be true as sexist. To have a conversation about it, without accusations of sexism is necessary to advance knowledge.

Dude, I'm not "PC" or whatever.

I believe the difference between racism and PC is shown in a person's tendancy to think one race is inferior, and some level of hatred or intolerance is evident. By your definitions my grandparents would be racist. This is YOUR OPINION by your broad definitions, but I know them 100,000,000 times bettter and they are not racist.

By your definitions, you would have to include many researchers who inches close to these topics who may despise this same topics for fear of being called a racist.

I know myself I would be damn well sure someone was a racist before implying someone is. My opinion is that the one who always jumps to conclusions that a racist remark has been made, generally creates racist tensions, and (although probably unintentional) actually exascerbates the situation and puts down the group thought to be targeted., In other words a mountain is made out of a molehill, and division is created where before there may not have been any there. Yes I do think these precise definitions are silly and sort of P.C, with the inherent, general stuff, as people interechange them all the time, and they are not going to speak or write precisely. I understand what you meant, and again I would presume you are right about there being no inherent differences, and social pressures being the determinant.


So, I guess we can just agree to disagree and you call it racist and I call it P.C. This is why I usually stay out of these topics, yet I happened to break my own rule. This is not even in defense of O.P the person, just in defense of those who are defending the O.P's topic as valid.

 

[Deborah K]

Those are great pictures.

Look, the fact of the matter is, NO ONE is "indiginous" considering that we all migrated originally from the cradle of civilization. Some came via the Bering Strait, others came via the Atlantic Ocean.

We humans, throughout history, ALL of us, including Mexicans and Native Americans, have dabbled in the business of conquering other people and lands. It seems to be a human condition. Since borders and nationalities have been established, the only way to dis-establish them is through globalization, i.e. a one world gov't., one currency, one religion. That isn't a choice I like.

I would rather have it the way it is, but ideally I wish we all could travel back and forth freely as long as we follow the laws of the land in which we are visiting.

 

[pcosmar]

Now, there are a lot of Mexicans with lighter skin, however as I have mentioned I lived in areas with migrant labor camps around and all of the Mexicans I saw looked Native American and not so much Spanish.. The La Raza and Chicano movements are actually focused on this concept that Mexicans are predominantly Native American with Native American heritage, and that the whole spanish blood mixing thing is pretty much a myth considering the vast majority of Mexicans have little to know Spanish blood.

And all of that is completely irrelevant.

Let me make this clear. I am not a racist. As far a common usage goes, I am of mixed race.
I do not recognize races. As far as I am concerned there is only one race, Human.
I do however recognize political and national differences in the world.
If we are to have a country that is based on individualism, ( as it used to be) then we need to recognize and resist the forces of collectivism that are attacking us.

I see this an nothing else than a Marxist invasion, and they (by their own admission ) want to take a portion of our nation, by subversion or by force.

 

[Zuras]

Danno, please don't ever post in anything related to mexico or mexicans again, particularly as it relates to genes. Actually, don't ever talk about genetics again. As you have no idea WTF you are talking about. I actually have looked at the haplogroupings for mexicans, and they are predominantely spanish gnetically, though with a significant amerindian influence. The two studies I've seen put their spanish/caucasian genes at about 55-60%. All of them showed over 50%. Now post me some saggy titted nat-geo "babes" so I can rest assured that all non-white women have saggy tits. I'm sure they are on your hard drive, somehwere.

 

[Zolah]

Someone please show me just where on this forum the OP has suggested, or otherwise proclaimed that he hates Mexicans? I just love the way people jump to conclusions. All he has done is shown you the hate displayed from the other side and you twist it up into a pretzel and accuse Chosen of being the hater. Shameful.

Here's what I posted in a thread Chosen made (it was about 50 'Illegal Immigration' threads ago, so about 2 days ago..)

How many threads do you need about illegal immigration...we get it, you're against it, half a dozen threads in a day about it is a bit OTT and this alone raises questions, as does quotes from yourself such as...

"In my very humble opinion all people in Mexico are guilty."

and..

"I, as well as my "friends," would gladly lend a hand to sink the entirety of this scourge on humanity into the abyss."

Bearing in mind these are not contextualised right now, but those quotes don't look good in any context..I've only skimmed some of your posts but even so noticed an overwhelming zealotry that has already obscured any objectivity, in my opinion, I also saw you had a couple valid things to say about illegal immigration but the small amount of important things you may have said may go unnoticed completely due to, well, stuff like the quotes I posted ^.

Immigration isn't an issue with much importance for me, but importantly the difference here seems to be that I believe the illegal immigration problem is first and foremost a consequence of the American welfare state - then lax border control, whereas you seem to be plainly blaming the people of Mexico as a collective, which is quite bizarre, unlike anything I've ever come across.

Somewhat sorry for hijacking the thread but I was quite alarmed by the half dozen or so threads you've made on pretty much the same subject, how many do you need :\

And the language he often uses is what may be called "un-politcally correct", also known as generally being an asshole towards a collective of people as he sees them.

 

[Zuras]

Here's what I posted in a thread Chosen made (it was about 50 'Illegal Immigration' threads ago, so about 2 days ago..)

.

Actually, a lot of the posters here have a lot of "peave issues". If I lived in the SW United States and saw my state being sucked dry by the vampire of illegal immigration, it might be high on my list of concerns. Perhaps concerning me even more so than "Glean bek is t3h weetard" or "whe be u faborite floundering fadder?!" and a variety of claptrap that gets far more click-through traffic.