The GOP will change its tune on Donald Trump. Just wait.

[AuH20]

What you said does nothing to refute what he said, in fact you simply confirmed it. Your lack of economic understanding leads you to believe that low tariffs are the reason those manufacturing jobs are gone. Like if the government takes a bigger cut those jobs will come back. Instead of moving to India those employers would be closing up shop for good.

We have the highest corporate tax in the world.

 

[CaptUSA]

You do realize that we are not picking the ideal candidate and essentially the best of the rest? Rand is out. Rubio and Cruz can't be trusted due to their donor and campaign staff ties. That leaves only Trump.

You do realize that there is no "best of the rest"? The GOP had their chance and blew it again. Trump isn't deserving by default. Wishful thinking on your part doesn't make him any better than the rest. If you have any evidence of that being untrue, I'd love to see it.

 

[AuH20]

You do realize that there is no "best of the rest"? The GOP had their chance and blew it again. Trump isn't deserving by default. Wishful thinking on your part doesn't make him any better than the rest. If you have any evidence of that being untrue, I'd love to see it.

No donors.
A political past tied to third party politics. It's not like he just appeared out of the blue to run for POTUS.

It's a no brainer.

 

[openfire]

Trump doesn't want to decrease the number of Mexicans here either. He just wants a symbolic touchback gesture. He's for amnesty. A wall is irrelevant.

Trump doesn't want to audit the Fed either. If he did, why has he never said so until last week? Where was he on that when the Senate actually had a vote on it in the midst of this campaign? It's not like he didn't have ample opportunity to say he was for it.

The establishment doesn't want trade wars and tariffs, except when they can be used to incite real wars. And they're right not to. I guess it remains to be seen if Trump will follow through on that. If he does, then it's hardly a selling point.

If an audit the Fed bill were to pass in congress, do you think that the establishment is confident that Trump would veto it?

 

[CaptUSA]

No donors.
A political past tied to third party politics.

It's a no brainer.

HE IS THE DONOR!!!

His political past is buying politicians to do him favors!

But, I will cede your last point. To believe Trump is a no-brainer.

 

[kahless]

What you said does nothing to refute what he said, in fact you simply confirmed it. Your lack of economic understanding leads you to believe that low tariffs are the reason those manufacturing jobs are gone. Like if the government takes a bigger cut those jobs will come back. Instead of moving to India those employers would be closing up shop for good.

That is always the excuse free traders and open border types use, that we all simply lack economic understanding or "we hate freedom" bullshit.

I never said the corporate income tax does not play a role, the topic was trade. Trump's plan lowers the corporate income tax. Using child and slave labor, slave hours and no regard for the environment is a cheaper way of doing business overseas. You can punish companies doing so and lessen the incentive for them to move offshore by raising tariffs.

As far as closing up shop, I am talking about companies that went offshore that were already doing well here and some even had record profits. You are completely naive or have been drinking Kool Aid by failing the recognize the destruction to our manufacturing base due to the trade imbalance, currency manipulation and high corporate taxes. If you want that to continue then keep bashing Trump so you can achieve more of the same with a Rubio or Clinton Presidency.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

If an audit the Fed bill were to pass in congress, do you think that the establishment is confident that Trump would veto it?

He wouldn't veto it. He'd throw the bill in the trash, rename the Fed "Trump Bank" and then wiggle his fingers and thumb his nose at Congress going "neener neener neener."

 

[Ronin Truth]

We have the highest corporate tax in the world.

Corporations pay no taxes.

The customers of the corporations always pay for everything.

DUH!

 

[erowe1]

If you want a laugh, go over to Redstate. Please do.

What I've seen at Redstate ever since Rand dropped out of the race this election cycle has been pretty right on, especially as it relates to Trump. What are you referring to?

 

[The Gold Standard]

That is always the excuse free traders and open border types use, that we all simply lack economic understanding or "we hate freedom" bullshit.

I never said the corporate income tax does not play a role, the topic was trade. Trump's plan lowers the corporate income tax. Using child and slave labor, slave hours and no regard for the environment is a cheaper way of doing business overseas. You can punish companies doing so and lessen the incentive for them to move offshore by raising tariffs.

As far as closing up shop, I am talking about companies that went offshore that were already doing well here and some even had record profits. You are completely naive or have been drinking Kool Aid by failing the recognize the destruction to our manufacturing base due to the trade imbalance, currency manipulation and high corporate taxes. If you want that to continue then keep bashing Trump so you can achieve more of the same with a Rubio or Clinton Presidency.

Trump is the same piece of shit Rubio and Clinton are. Hell, most if not all of his own products are made in China or Mexico or BFE. He's not going to jeopardize his own fortune, no matter how much you believe in the guy.

I completely recognize the loss of manufacturing in the U.S., but trade imbalance has nothing to do with it. Taxes always play a role. Currency manipulation by the Federal Reserve is the number one culprit. If we had real money here, input prices would be cheaper than anything anyone else does overseas. If not for government imposed burdens, any manufacturing that was done overseas would be replaced by something else here, and we would be grateful to the Indians or Chinese that want to make shit for us for free. Tariffs do absolutely nothing to solve the problem, and would just further destroy the middle class here.

 

[MarcusI]

...

I understand your attitude. You hate the political establishment for a good reason. You want to see them burned to ashes. Same I feel, here in Germany, often. But dont let the hatred deceive you. It wont become better with Trump. That man has no intellectual substance, he is not a man of reason. Maybe he is too rich to be bribed, but that doesnt mean he will take better decisions.

As a historian I would love to see what will happen if he becomes president. But as a human I can tell you, there isnt much you will like about it from a rational point of view, if you let go your hatred. Much more, there will be much which will piss you off, which you dont (like to) see yet.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

That is always the excuse free traders and open border types use, that we all simply lack economic understanding or "we hate freedom" bullshit.

I never said the corporate income tax does not play a role, the topic was trade. Trump's plan lowers the corporate income tax. Using child and slave labor, slave hours and no regard for the environment is a cheaper way of doing business overseas. You can punish companies doing so and lessen the incentive for them to move offshore by raising tariffs.

As far as closing up shop, I am talking about companies that went offshore that were already doing well here and some even had record profits. You are completely naive or have been drinking Kool Aid by failing the recognize the destruction to our manufacturing base due to the trade imbalance, currency manipulation and high corporate taxes. If you want that to continue then keep bashing Trump so you can achieve more of the same with a Rubio or Clinton Presidency.

The 'anti-Trumpers' were pumping Hillary as the strategic alternative to Rand even before he had dropped out. I guess they only like strategic alternative talk when it's coming from their mouth.

 

[openfire]

Just to clarify, I'm no Trump supporter. Hell no.

What I find gratifying about the Trump phenomenon is that he is demonstrating that the main stream media and Wall st money no longer determine who the President will be. The fact that an outsider is winning is what excites me. Back in 2008 and 2012, I felt that this was impossible.

Trump is the first person to demonstrate that presidential candidates not beholden to the establishment can win. That excites me because it gives me hope that a future Liberty candidate can actually win.

Maybe I'm wrong about Trump and he is a merely a Trojan horse for TPTB as others have posited... I hope that's not the case.

 

[timosman]

He wouldn't veto it. He'd throw the bill in the trash, rename the Fed "Trump Bank" and then wiggle his fingers and thumb his nose at Congress going "neener neener neener."

He would consult with his best people who know what to do about these things.

 

[erowe1]

If an audit the Fed bill were to pass in congress, do you think that the establishment is confident that Trump would veto it?

I think he's more likely to veto it than Cruz or Rubio.

 

[erowe1]

No donors.

Source?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

No donors.

You are delusional.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=All&id=N00023864&type

Manchester Financial Group $50,000
AON Corp $27,700
Ajd Construction $25,000
MDC Holdings $10,800
Crown Acquisitions $10,000
Iron Hound Management Co $10,000
Ralph Lauren $10,000
Equitable Adjusters LLC $10,000
SpaceX $10,000
In Mocean Group $10,000
Adjfam Management $10,000
Rainbow Apparel Companies $10,000
Gellert Global Group $10,000
Braha Brothers LLC $10,000
Milwaukee Rheumatology Center $5,400
Emergency Care Dynamics $5,400
Heritage Bag Co $5,400
Dorya USA $5,400
Auburn Manor Holding $5,400
HH Williams Trucking $5,300
Meridian Capital $5,000
Midtown Equities $5,000
Cushman & Wakefield $5,000
Century 21 $5,000
US Navy $4,256
US Dept of Defense $3,567
Berkshire Hathaway $3,500
Object Systems Group $3,241
Price Point $3,078
One Hour Ac $3,000
Tiger Global Management $2,972
Pixarbio Corp $2,959
National Amusements Inc $2,847
Robinson Holdings $2,813
Avair $2,757
Jensen & Assoc, Apc, Trial Lawyers $2,398
Capellon Inc $1,000
Rouses Markets $500
Uic Inc $500
Premier Event Management $500

 

[CaptUSA]

Just to clarify, I'm no Trump supporter. Hell no.

What I find gratifying about the Trump phenomenon is that he is demonstrating that the main stream media and Wall st money no longer determine who the President will be. The fact that an outsider is winning is what excites me. Back in 2008 and 2012, I felt that this was impossible.

Trump is the first person to demonstrate that presidential candidates not beholden to the establishment can win. That excites me because it gives me hope that a future Liberty candidate can actually win.

Maybe I'm wrong about Trump and he is a merely a Trojan horse for TPTB as others have posited... I hope that's not the case.

Just to clarify, you still don't get it. Trump is part of the establishment and always has been. It's the establishment that uses the force of government to screw some people while getting special favors for themselves.

He is no "outsider" - that is your wishful thinking taking over.
He is not "anti-establishment" - that is your misplaced "hope".
He is not knocking down barriers for a liberty candidate - that is your fantasy.
And he is not a "Trojan horse" - that would suggest that he's sneaking through. He's smashing right through the walls, but your wishful thinking, hope, and fantasy aren't allowing you to see it.

 

[MarcusI]

What I find gratifying about the Trump phenomenon is that he is demonstrating that the main stream media and Wall st money no longer determine who the President will be.

Actually, Trump proves how much influence mass media has - check his air time.

Having said that, yes, they dont like him, they cover him for the viewing figures. But that they don't like him doesn't make him better. :/

 

[erowe1]

You do realize that we are not picking the ideal candidate and essentially the best of the rest? Rand is out. Rubio and Cruz can't be trusted due to their donor and campaign staff ties. That leaves only Trump.

So your selling point on Trump is that he can be trusted?