the constitutionality of paper money

[Danke]

who do you think think started the fed?

Bankers.

 

[WilliamC]

who do you think think started the fed?

Certainly you know the story.

You've already claimed to have read Mullins and Griffin, and despite your ad homminum attacks against them they aren't lying when they report the documented facts as to its establishmet.

The politicians just played along, on Christmas break at that, while most of them were away from DC.

Who do you think is running the show today, Congress and the White House?

DD don't be that dumb I don't think, DD just be playing dumb to cover for the cartel.

Carry on...

 

[dennis dujac]

Bankers.

bankers didn't have the authority to do it, the 63rd united states congress and president wilson did have the authority

Certainly you know the story.

You've already claimed to have read Mullins and Griffin, and despite your ad homminum attacks against them they aren't lying when they report the documented facts as to its establishmet.

The politicians just played along, on Christmas break at that, while most of them were away from DC.

Who do you think is running the show today, Congress and the White House?

DD don't be that dumb I don't think, DD just be playing dumb to cover for the cartel.

Carry on...

the christmas story you're referring to is fiction, congress debated the issue for months

the fed is overseen by congress and the president, bernanke doesn't spend all that time sitting in front of them answering questions for fun

 

[Travlyr]

bankers didn't have the authority to do it, the 63rd united states congress and president wilson did have the authority

the christmas story you're referring to is fiction, congress debated the issue for months

the fed is overseen by congress and the president, bernanke doesn't spend all that time sitting in front of them answering questions for fun

The New York Times reported on the front page, Monday, December 22, 1913 in headlines:

MONEY BILL MAY BE LAW TODAY--CONFEREES HAD ADJUSTED NEARLY ALL DIFFERENCES AT 1:30 THIS MORNING--NO DEPOSIT GUARANTEES--SENATE YIELDS ON THIS POINT BUT PUTS THROUGH MANY OTHER CHANGES
"With almost unprecedented speed, the conference to adjust the House and Senate differences on the Currency Bill practically completed its labours early this morning. On Saturday the Conferees did little more than dispose of the preliminaries, leaving forty essential differences to be thrashed out Sunday. . . . No other legislation of importance will be taken up in either House of Congress this week. Members of both houses are already preparing to leave Washington."

Correction: The bill passed 282 - 60 in the House and 43 - 23 in the Senate which means that 76 Representatives and 27 Senators were absent for the vote on the most important legislation in the history of the republic.

Edit: Correction the Senate vote was 43 - 25 and the House vote was 298 - 60.

 

[Danke]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?228913-Quotations-On-banking-money-freedom-and-liberty

 

[dennis dujac]

The bill passed 282 - 60 in the House and 43 - 23 in the Senate which means that 93 Representatives and nearly 1/3 (30) Senators were absent for the vote on the most important legislation in the history of the republic.

After months of hearings, debates, votes and amendments, the proposed legislation, with 30 sections, was enacted as the Federal Reserve Act. The House, on December 22, 1913, agreed to the conference report on the Federal Reserve Act bill by a vote of 298 yeas to 60 nays, with 76 not voting. The Senate, on December 23, 1913, agreed to it by a vote of 43 yeas to 25 nays with 27 not voting. The record shows that there were no Democrats voting "nay" in the Senate and only two in the House. The record also shows that almost all of those not voting for the bill had previously declared their intentions and were paired with members of opposite intentions.

wiki - Voting record on the conference report of the Federal Reserve Act. Vol. 51 Congressional Record, pages 1464 and 1487-1488, December 22 and 23, 1913.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17234309/Congressional-Record-Dec-23-1913

 

[Revolution9]

i don't see how you reached that conclusion since i posted their material with links and etc



most of my comments are pretty pithy

what does autolatristic mean, are you trying to say altruistic?

You may have posted links but your estimation of the content made them seem full of fictions. They are not. But they do have many opinions on facts one can begin to form ones own opinion from. As I stated in a more compact and to the point fashion, your commentary on to cogent sources of information on this subject are much too dismissive considering the nature of the source materials. This then begs the question of whether you are an agenda pusher considering the nature of this board at this time in history.

The bottom line is the FedRes are counterfeiters of real money and siphoners of true wealth through debasing with their amulet charged magick paper chitlets. Philosophical defense of these paltroons and their boobocracy is tantamount to agreeing that bootblack can make a nice cocktail if shaken not stirred, over ice.

And no..I did not mean altruistic. Your comments certainly do not fall under that purview for me. You may look up "autolatry" and then apply the suffix standard modifiers interpretation to get the intended meaning.

Best
Rev9

 

[dennis dujac]

Philosophical defense of these paltroons and their boobocracy is tantamount to agreeing that bootblack can make a nice cocktail if shaken not stirred, over ice.

yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

 

[Danke]

 

[WilliamC]

bankers didn't have the authority to do it, the 63rd united states congress and president wilson did have the authority




the christmas story you're referring to is fiction, congress debated the issue for months

the fed is overseen by congress and the president, bernanke doesn't spend all that time sitting in front of them answering questions for fun

Your insisting that Congress controls the FED is simply amusing in it's naiveity seeings how the FED hasn't even been audited ever.

And you still have to pay sales tax and capital gains tax in order to use gold or silver as money.

But please keep apologizing for the bankers and those trying to control the world through their control of money, it's fun to watch.

 

[Travlyr]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?228913-Quotations-On-banking-money-freedom-and-liberty

"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That board administers a finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. That system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. This (Federal Reserve) Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the president signs this bill, the invisible governments by the monetary power will be legalized. The people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed, the worst legislatives crime of the ages perpetrated by this banking bill." - Charles A. Lindbergh, Representative, MN

 

[dennis dujac]

"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That board administers a finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. That system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. This (Federal Reserve) Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the president signs this bill, the invisible governments by the monetary power will be legalized. The people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed, the worst legislatives crime of the ages perpetrated by this banking bill." - Charles A. Lindbergh, Representative, MN

Hermann Göring presents Lindbergh with a medal on behalf of Adolf Hitler; Anne Lindbergh is far left. Photo taken on July 28, 1936.

Hermann Göring (commander of the nazi Luftwaffe) presented Charles Augustus Lindbergh with the Commander Cross of the Order of the German Eagle

Your insisting that Congress controls the FED is simply amusing in it's naiveity seeings how the FED hasn't even been audited ever.

the federal reserve is audited regularly


INDEPENDENT AUDITORS' REPORT

To the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System 
and the Boards of Directors of the Federal Reserve Banks:

We have audited the accompanying combined statements of condition of the Federal Reserve Banks (the "Reserve Banks") as of December 31, 2009 and 2008, and the related combined statements of income and comprehensive income and changes in capital for the years then ended, which have been prepared in conformity with accounting principles established by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System. These combined financial statements are the responsibility of the Division of Reserve Bank Operations and Payment System's management. Our responsibility is to express an opinion on these financial statements based on our audits.

We conducted our audits in accordance with generally accepted auditing standards as established by the Auditing Standards Board (United States) and in accordance with the auditing standards of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (United States). Those standards require that we plan and perform the audit to obtain reasonable assurance about whether the financial statements are free of material misstatement. The Reserve Banks are not required to have, nor were we engaged to perform, an audit of their internal control over financial reporting. Our audits included consideration of internal control over financial reporting as a basis for designing audit procedures that are appropriate in the circumstances, but not for the purpose of expressing an opinion on the effectiveness of the Reserve Bank's internal control over financial reporting. Accordingly, we express no such opinion. An audit also includes examining, on a test basis, evidence supporting the amounts and disclosures in the financial statements, assessing the accounting principles used and significant estimates made by management, as well as evaluating the overall financial statement presentation. We believe that our audits provide a reasonable basis for our opinion.

As described in Note 4 to the combined financial statements, the Reserve Banks have prepared these combined financial statements in conformity with accounting principles established by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, as set forth in the Financial Accounting Manual for Federal Reserve Banks, which is a comprehensive basis of accounting other than accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America. The effects on such combined financial statements of the differences between the accounting principles established by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America are also described in Note 4.

In our opinion, such combined financial statements present fairly, in all material respects, the combined financial position of the Reserve Banks as of December 31, 2009 and 2008, and the combined results of their operations for the years then ended, on the basis of accounting described in Note 4.

April 21, 2010

http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/rptcongress/annual09/sec6/c3.htm



here's a link to more federal reserve audits

http://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/annual-report/default.htm

 

[Danke]

Hermann Göring presents Lindbergh with a medal on behalf of Adolf Hitler; Anne Lindbergh is far left. Photo taken on July 28, 1936.

Hermann Göring (commander of the nazi Luftwaffe) presented Charles Augustus Lindbergh with the Commander Cross of the Order of the German Eagle

Wrong Lindbergh.

Lucky Lindbergh was sent over to Germany by our government to assess the German military capabilities.

 

[dennis dujac]

Wrong Lindbergh.

Lucky Lindbergh was sent over to Germany by our government to assess the German military capabilities.

'lucky' defended the nazis even after kristallnacht, and it's the right lindbergh, his father was a big influence on him

 

[Revolution9]

'lucky' defended the nazis even after kristallnacht, and it's the right lindbergh, his father was a big influence on him

And this straw man is supposed to shift the focus from your bogus agenda I presume. Nazis+Hitler+Association == Low level gambit. FedRes families == funding for Nazi war machine if ya want to play in that mud puddle.

Rev9

 

[matt0611]

Good explanation here, it completely DESTROYS any arguments that claim paper money is constitutional:

 

[dennis dujac]

FedRes families

that's a funny one

Good explanation here, it completely DESTROYS any arguments that claim paper money is constitutional.

political rhetoric isn't a reliable info source

 

[matt0611]

that's a funny one




political rhetoric isn't a reliable info source

What political rhetoric? Its all facts. Read the links he posted. All the evidence is right there. Even just read the constitution. Its all right there.

So far you have provided zero evidence that paper money is constitutional. I haven't seen a shred yet. None, zero.

Nice try though, lets see if you can refute anything he said. It was nothing but a barrage of facts that completely eviscerated anything you had that was considered even close to an argument. I bet you won't attempt to refute anything though, you'll just cop out and run away when you lose an argument like you do every time on this board.

Stop trolling...

 

[dennis dujac]

So far you have provided zero evidence that paper money is constitutional. I haven't seen a shred yet. None, zero.

i've provided quite a bit of evidence

 

[matt0611]

i've provided quite a bit of evidence

No, sorry, you haven't...you've talked about how you think its good or preferable, but you haven't provided any evidence showing its legal according to the constitution. That's just not good enough around here, maybe a board that knew less about these matters, but not around here.

Like I predicted...you can't refute anything in that video or in the links posted.