the constitutionality of paper money

that's a common misconception, if you know what you're doing, you don't pay taxes on losses, you claim tax credits

Government doesn't take inflation into account when you pay your capital gains taxes.

You can't have money on equal grounds with federal reserve notes as long as you have the current system. Gold and silver are prohibited from being used as money as long as the current laws stand.

I think you're just trolling now...
 
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Do you support abandoning Amendment 10?

no, i don't support abandoning it, but i think it's on a lower order in the hierarchy, than articles 1, 2 and etc

Government doesn't take inflation into account when you pay your capital gains taxes.

You can't have money on equal grounds with federal reserve notes as long as you have the current system. Gold and silver are prohibited from being used as money as long as the current laws stand.

I think you're just trolling now...

i'm answering your questions and

you seem to be attributing many assertions to me, that i haven't made

ex: "You can't have money on equal grounds with federal reserve notes"

i'm not really even certain what you mean by that
 
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mullins was discharged from his position at the library of congress after his book came out in 1952
Nonetheless, if I was successful in getting government backing to counterfeit money at will and control the nation's money supply you better believe that I would fire the man that exposed my operation, too. Then I would try to ruin him. The powers-that-be did indeed work hard to destroy his reputation, his credibility, and his character. They tried to bankrupt him by burning 10,000 of his books without just compensation. The people behind the central banks operations are the real criminals, I consider them evil, and I hope they spend time in jail or exile.

Eustace passed on last year, and he was a good man. Like the rest of us he wasn't perfect.
So, I don't agree with everything Eustace wrote and said, but he exposed Daddy Warbucks and his Brother Max for the sinister criminals that they were. For that ... Thank you, Eustace Mullins, may you RIP.
 
i'm answering your questions and

you seem to be attributing many assertions to me, that i haven't made

ex: "You can't have money on equal grounds with federal reserve notes"

i'm not really even certain what you mean by that

"why make it so's you have to deal with the dreaded government for metal? as things are now, you're free to exchange money for gold, silver and whatever else you want"

Thats a quote from you. And its false, since you are not "free" to do those things without the government coming in and stealing most of the benefit from using gold and silver away from you.

The government has an unconstitutional monopoly on the money. And the money is counterfeit. And you support it. You make me sick.

I'm done arguing around in circles in this thread. Good day sir.
 
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"why make it so's you have to deal with the dreaded government for metal? as things are now, you're free to exchange money for gold, silver and whatever else you want"

Thats a quote from you. And its false, since you are not "free" to do those things without the government coming in and stealing most of the benefit from using gold and silver away from you.

The government has an unconstitutional monopoly on the money. And the money is counterfeit. And you support it. You make me sick.

you're misinterpreting

to clarify, i meant: why make it so's you have to buy gold and silver from the government at a fixed price when you can just buy it from private free market dealers and etc?



Nonetheless, if I was successful in getting government backing to counterfeit money at will and control the nation's money supply you better believe that I would fire the man that exposed my operation, too. Then I would try to ruin him. The powers-that-be did indeed work hard to destroy his reputation, his credibility, and his character. They tried to bankrupt him by burning 10,000 of his books without just compensation. The people behind the central banks operations are the real criminals, I consider them evil, and I hope they spend time in jail or exile.

Eustace passed on last year, and he was a good man. Like the rest of us he wasn't perfect.
So, I don't agree with everything Eustace wrote and said, but he exposed Daddy Warbucks and his Brother Max for the sinister criminals that they were. For that ... Thank you, Eustace Mullins, may you RIP.

mullins tried to pull off some dishonest tricks, to say the least

this is the full entry for the hoax that i referred to earlier

'A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century'


Cohen, Israel

RACIAL-TENSION QUOTE "We must realize that our party's
most powerful weapon is racial tension. By pounding into
the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they
have been oppressed by the whites, we can mold them to the
program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim
for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against
the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt
complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid
the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the
professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With
this prestige, the Negroes will be able to intermarry with the
whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our
cause."

During the debate on a civil-rights bill in Congress in June
1957, Mississippi Congressman Thomas G. Abernathy read
the above statement, taken from a book entitled 'A Racial
Program for the Twentieth Century'
, allegedly written by Is-
rael Cohen, a leading British Communist, and published in
1912. In August 1958, however, New York's Congressman
Abraham J. Multer challenged the authenticity of the quo-
tation. Among other things, he pointed out that there was no
Communist Party in Britain in 1912 and that the expression
"Communist Party" didn't come into existence until after
World War I; that no book with such a title written by Israel
Cohen or by anyone else could be located in the Library of
Congress or in the British Museum Catalogue of Printed
Books; and that there was no record of a Communist named
Israel Cohen ever having lived in England.

Congressman Multer also read into the Congressional Rec-
ord an article entitled, "Story of a Phony Quotation—A Fu-
tile Effort To Pin It Down—'A Racial Program for the 20th
Century' Seems to Exist Only in Somebody's Imagination,"
appearing in the Washington Star for February 18, 1958.
After a thorough investigation, according to the article, the
Star succeeded in tracing the phony quote to Eustace Mul-
lins, Jr., who claimed to have copied it from a Zionist publi-
cation while doing research work in the Library of Congress
in 1952. But as Multer told Congress: "He was discharged
years ago from his probationary job as a photographic aid at
the Library of Congress because of his authorship and circu-
lation of violently anti-Semitic articles. Mullins has, apparently,
a marked propensity for phony claims and counterfeit creations.

Some of his counterfeits include a speech by a non-
existent Hungarian rabbi, and a Lizzie Stover College Fund—
the fictitious Lizzie Stover being described as the Negro
mother of President Eisenhower. Mr. Mullins's literary tal-
ents, however, have not been confined to forgeries. In 1952,
in his own name, he wrote 'Adolf Hitler: An Appreciation,'
for the organ of the fascist National Renaissance Party cited
by the House Un-American Activities Committee.
" Despite
the Washington Star expose. the phony quote continued to
circulate among bigots in the 1980s.

source: Paul F. Boller, Jr. and John George, 'They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, and Misleading Attributions', Oxford University Press (1989), p. 15.
 
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you're misinterpreting

to clarify, i meant: why make it so's you have to buy gold and silver from the government at a fixed price when you can just buy it from private free market dealers and etc?

I'm fine with this. I advocate government getting out of the money business totally.
 
don't tell me you want a private entity to be in charge of issuing money?

I've bought privately minted coins and bars, they work fine.

Don't tell me you want a private entity in charge of producing food? Oh, woops.
Don't tell me you want a private entity in charge of producing cars? Oh, woops.
Don't tell me you want a private entity in charge of producing clothes? Oh, woops.
Don't tell me you want a private entity in charge of producing X? Etc...

The private market is completely capable of producing money.
 
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mullins tried to pull off some dishonest tricks, to say the least

this is the full entry for the hoax that i referred to earlier

'A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century'


Cohen, Israel

RACIAL-TENSION QUOTE "We must realize that our party's
most powerful weapon is racial tension. By pounding into
the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they
have been oppressed by the whites, we can mold them to the
program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim
for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against
the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt
complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid
the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the
professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With
this prestige, the Negroes will be able to intermarry with the
whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our
cause."

During the debate on a civil-rights bill in Congress in June
1957, Mississippi Congressman Thomas G. Abernathy read
the above statement, taken from a book entitled 'A Racial
Program for the Twentieth Century'
, allegedly written by Is-
rael Cohen, a leading British Communist, and published in
1912. In August 1958, however, New York's Congressman
Abraham J. Multer challenged the authenticity of the quo-
tation. Among other things, he pointed out that there was no
Communist Party in Britain in 1912 and that the expression
"Communist Party" didn't come into existence until after
World War I; that no book with such a title written by Israel
Cohen or by anyone else could be located in the Library of
Congress or in the British Museum Catalogue of Printed
Books; and that there was no record of a Communist named
Israel Cohen ever having lived in England.

Congressman Multer also read into the Congressional Rec-
ord an article entitled, "Story of a Phony Quotation—A Fu-
tile Effort To Pin It Down—'A Racial Program for the 20th
Century' Seems to Exist Only in Somebody's Imagination,"
appearing in the Washington Star for February 18, 1958.
After a thorough investigation, according to the article, the
Star succeeded in tracing the phony quote to Eustace Mul-
lins, Jr., who claimed to have copied it from a Zionist publi-
cation while doing research work in the Library of Congress
in 1952. But as Multer told Congress: "He was discharged
years ago from his probationary job as a photographic aid at
the Library of Congress because of his authorship and circu-
lation of violently anti-Semitic articles. Mullins has, apparently,
a marked propensity for phony claims and counterfeit creations.
Some of his counterfeits include a speech by a non-
existent Hungarian rabbi, and a Lizzie Stover College Fund—
the fictitious Lizzie Stover being described as the Negro
mother of President Eisenhower. Mr. Mullins's literary tal-
ents, however, have not been confined to forgeries. In 1952,
in his own name, he wrote 'Adolf Hitler: An Appreciation,'
for the organ of the fascist National Renaissance Party cited
by the House Un-American Activities Committee." Despite
the Washington Star expose. the phony quote continued to
circulate among bigots in the 1980s.

source: Paul F. Boller, Jr. and John George, 'They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, and Misleading Attributions', Oxford University Press (1989), p. 15.
I appreciate you sharing this. I looked for it but couldn't find it.

This in no way discredits what Eustace Mullins wrote in "The Secrets of the Federal Reserve." The above quotes are more akin to Eustace's first desire to write novels. It seems he may have strayed from pure non-fiction... I'm fine with that.
 
I've bought privately minted coins and bars, they work fine.

Don't tell me you want a private entity in charge of producing food? Oh, woops.
Don't tell me you want a private entity in charge of producing cars? Oh, woops.
Don't tell me you want a private entity in charge of producing clothes? Oh, woops.
Don't tell me you want a private entity in charge of producing X? Etc...

The private market is completely capable of producing money.

nationally accepted legal tender brought much order to the chaos of past babylonian financial practices

money isn't really comparable to many other goods, like the ones you listed


try buying a gallon of milk at your local grocery, with a $20 double eagle



This in no way discredits what Eustace Mullins wrote in 'The Secrets of the Federal Reserve'. The above quotes are more akin to Eustace's first desire to write novels. It seems he may have strayed from pure non-fiction... I'm fine with that.

i think it discredits his whole existence, plus some

i'm considering making a thread on mullens and g edward griffin, in 'general politics'
 
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nationally accepted legal tender brought much order to the chaos of past babylonian financial practices

money isn't really comparable to many other goods, like the ones you listed


try buying a gallon of milk at your local grocery, with a $20 double eagle





i think it discredits his whole existence, plus some

i'm considering making a thread on mullens and g edward griffin, in 'general politics'

Why would I buy a gallon of milk with a double eagle? I could just charge my credit card, or debit card (that has gold or silver backing), or use a 1/10 oz silver piece, or use a silver certificate etc...

We don't need a nationally "accepted" currency anymore, this isn't ancient times. Times change...
 
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Why would I buy a gallon of milk with a double eagle? I could just charge my credit card, or debit card (that has gold or silver backing), or use a 1/10 oz silver piece, or use a silver certificate etc.

aren't there debit cards like that, already available?

and of course you can buy milk at the grocery with silver dollars, kennedy half-dollars, mercury dimes and etc

but, you'll get ripped, because it will only be accepted at face value, most retailers aren't and are unlikely to be set up to assay various precious metal coins or be current on what the spot value is on that particular day

retail and most other businesses, thrive on order and predictability, not chaos

We don't need a nationally "accepted" currency anymore, this isn't ancient times. Times change...

except that many of the things you've been talking about are right out of the 18/19th century
 
aren't there debit cards like that, already available?

and of course you can buy milk at the grocery with silver dollars, kennedy half-dollars, mercury dimes and etc

but, you'll get ripped, because it will only be accepted at face value, most retailers aren't and are unlikely to be set up to assay various precious metal coins or be current on what the spot value is on that particular day

retail and most other businesses, thrive on order and predictability, not chaos



except that many of the things you've been talking about are right out of the 18/19th century

The gold backed debit and credit cards would have the same problems I mentioned before with holding gold or silver.

You can use old american currency, but they're all accepted at their legal tender value, not silver value.

Government control of money is an old, ancient idea. Freedom is a new idea.

We need freedom when it comes to money, and badly.
 
Government control of money is an old, ancient idea. Freedom is a new idea.

freedom is older than methuselah

what produces more freedom, being at liberty to drive on whichever side of the road you choose or respect for 'right of way'?

We need freedom when it comes to money, and badly.

the 17th through 19th century do much damage to that argument
 
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the point is that mullins and griffin aren't credible, they're conspiracy theorists selling a bill of goods

Oh. Yer one of those types. Ya know we don't take you seriously anymore. That was so last year and the year before etc...etc...etc... So we are to take you seriously? What have you written and published that will enlighten us to facts we have not had access to. Me...I don't care how others interpret the facts. I just want access to them so I can interpret them. Apparently you would rather not have me view the factoids these two gentleman have written of and formed corollary opinions to. That actually makes e more interested to read what facts they have written of. Unless you are stating they are total fiction writers...which is the gist of that which you wish to imply and render deflection from. Now about you wanting to debate..WTF was that all about?? Seems like you want to pontificate in an autolatristic manner.

Rev9.
 
freedom is older than methuselah

what produces more freedom, being at liberty to drive on whichever side of the road you choose or respect for 'right of way'?



the 17th through 19th century do much damage to that argument

You mistakenly confuse the private sector with chaos. That is your problem.
There is no chaos in cars, clothes, computers, pencils, airplanes etc
The private sector produces everything better. It can produce money better as well. This is fact.

Private coinage was outlawed sometime in the 19th century IIRC
The 17-19th century were plagued with problems from government, from paper money, central banking, bimetallic standards, state regulation of banks, fractional reserve banking etc

Even so, using a gold standard was much better than the counterfeit money we have today.
 
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nationally accepted legal tender brought much order to the chaos of past babylonian financial practices

money isn't really comparable to many other goods, like the ones you listed


try buying a gallon of milk at your local grocery, with a $20 double eagle





i think it discredits his whole existence, plus some

i'm considering making a thread on mullens and g edward griffin, in 'general politics'

Commodities worth has always been tied to each other. Bushels of wheat can be bought for an equivalent amount of silver as they were in the time of Christ. If coins are made by private companies they simply bear within the edge milling the quantities of each metal contained stamped clearly in a manner incapable of being altered without destruction. Private companies will produce reports on each of the coin makers and the purity of their stock and alloy percentages. Frak up and the market no longer redeems your coinage.. There will be many collectible premium issues which will be popular with numistmatists and their dealers.Any industrially valuable metal can make up the coinage with the weight and amount on the milled edge of the coin. The metal in them will always be useful for knives, swords, electronics wiring, medicines etc when melted so thy always have value. You could have a 50 cent piece of naval bronze and it would be about as large as a kennedy half dollar for example.

Rev9
 
I just want access to them so I can interpret them. Apparently you would rather not have me view the factoids these two gentleman have written of and formed corollary opinions to.

i don't see how you reached that conclusion since i posted their material with links and etc

Seems like you want to pontificate in an autolatristic manner.

most of my comments are pretty pithy

what does autolatristic mean, are you trying to say altruistic?
 
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